GOP senator calls on Congress to end shutdown without border deal

[roamer_1]

Let others decide.

Then we may as well vote Democrat.

[roamer_1]

Hey @roamer_1  ****

Waiting, @Emjay , for you to prove up or retract your accusation and slur upon my character...

[Emjay]

That wanders perilously close to the bastardized 'Judge not lest ye be judged'...

Sorry @roamer_1 but that quote was always apt and remains so.  Not to go all religious on you, but Jesus always emphasized that we look into our own hearts before criticizing others.

Now here is the part of the American Thinker article that was omitted and I think it is a good analysis of the Trump presidency.

"Trump has given us the best economy in decades, and Mitt has almost nothing to say about it other than that he agrees with it.

  Trump also never wavered on the appointment of Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh and has fought like a lion to get more constitutionally minded judges appointed.

  Trump chipped away at the nightmare of Obamacare, starting with an end to its vile poverty tax slapped onto the Americans who could not afford its costly one-size-fits all offerings.

  And he's fighting like heck for a wall with which to restore the integrity of U.S. borders.  And contrary to Romney's op-ed claims about U.S. allies no longer loving us, a lot of our allies love us – just ask Italy, Hungary, Poland, Israel, or Brazil.  As for the ones who don't (and as France shows, it's just the leaders who don't like Trump, not the yellow-vest protesters), why do we want the love of such detested political leaders?  These are people who hate us, and who hate their own people, too, allowing Muslim hordes from stone-age cultures to descend upon them, feed at their welfare troughs and sex-harass their women, turning vast swathes of Europe into no-go zones.

  Meantime, get a load of how friendly things are now with Brazil.  Heck, get a load of how civil things are with socialist Mexico.  Take a look at the de-fanging of North Korea.  Is Trump supposed to have warm, friendly, back-slapping relations with leaders of hellholes such as Cuba and Venezuela?  Is he supposed to do whatever Angela Merkel or Theresa May wants him to do?  He's chosen to make friends with the people who stand for things – in Colombia, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, as well as Italy, Hungary, and much of Eastern Europe

[skeeter]

Sorry @roamer_1 but that quote was always apt and remains so.  Not to go all religious on you, but Jesus always emphasized that we look into our own hearts before criticizing others.

Now here is the part of the American Thinker article that was omitted and I think it is a good analysis of the Trump presidency.

"Trump has given us the best economy in decades, and Mitt has almost nothing to say about it other than that he agrees with it.

  Trump also never wavered on the appointment of Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh and has fought like a lion to get more constitutionally minded judges appointed.

  Trump chipped away at the nightmare of Obamacare, starting with an end to its vile poverty tax slapped onto the Americans who could not afford its costly one-size-fits all offerings.

  And he's fighting like heck for a wall with which to restore the integrity of U.S. borders.  And contrary to Romney's op-ed claims about U.S. allies no longer loving us, a lot of our allies love us – just ask Italy, Hungary, Poland, Israel, or Brazil.  As for the ones who don't (and as France shows, it's just the leaders who don't like Trump, not the yellow-vest protesters), why do we want the love of such detested political leaders?  These are people who hate us, and who hate their own people, too, allowing Muslim hordes from stone-age cultures to descend upon them, feed at their welfare troughs and sex-harass their women, turning vast swathes of Europe into no-go zones.

  Meantime, get a load of how friendly things are now with Brazil.  Heck, get a load of how civil things are with socialist Mexico.  Take a look at the de-fanging of North Korea.  Is Trump supposed to have warm, friendly, back-slapping relations with leaders of hellholes such as Cuba and Venezuela?  Is he supposed to do whatever Angela Merkel or Theresa May wants him to do?  He's chosen to make friends with the people who stand for things – in Colombia, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, as well as Italy, Hungary, and much of Eastern Europe

The more time goes by, the more we watch this president struggle but continue to try, the worse those who not only refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt but continue to harp on him look.

[musiclady]

*******

Though I'm not a fan of Romney, and didn't read what he said, and I've never seen the movie you reference (I stay away from Satan inasmuch as it is humanly possible), I do appreciate that you understand that your old friend will never waver from the importance of morality and character in an elected official.

At least I've accomplished something on this forum! 

@DCPatriot
@roamer_1

[musiclady]

That wanders perilously close to the bastardized 'Judge not lest ye be judged'...

Indeed it does.

And also sounds like echoes of a Beach Boys' song. 

[Emjay]

Though I'm not a fan of Romney, and didn't read what he said, and I've never seen the movie you reference (I stay away from Satan inasmuch as it is humanly possible), I do appreciate that you understand that your old friend will never waver from the importance of morality and character in an elected official.

At least I've accomplished something on this forum! 

@DCPatriot
@roamer_1

@musiclady   You will never know the true character of people in public life.  You will only know what they've chosen to show you. 

As far as faithfulness in marriage goes, I would nominate only Truman, Nixon, and the two Bushes.  Kennedy was a horn dog of the worst kind and Clinton was a trailer trash tail chaser.

Trump's life has been an open book so you know more about him than most.  His mother had Trump's worst qualities without his good sense and compassion.  She couldn't control him with her iron hair so she shipped him off to military school. I have no respect for her.

Trump has been married 3 times but we have no reason to think he's been unfaithful to Melania and we also know that his children seem to love him. 

So, you might want to hold off on that judgment thingee.

[roamer_1]

Sorry @roamer_1 but that quote was always apt and remains so.  Not to go all religious on you, but Jesus always emphasized that we look into our own hearts before criticizing others.

Absolutely incorrect, with regard to Yeshua and with regard to reality. Such a hypocritical defense requires you to likewise not judge democrats and Muslim terrorists, murderers or rapists. If that is what you think, then you've not a single thought in your head.

Of course we are to judge.

Now here is the part of the American Thinker article that was omitted and I think it is a good analysis of the Trump presidency.

WHAT ARTICLE? The OP? Or one I posted as you accused? And where did I quote Romney?

"Trump has given us the best economy in decades, and Mitt has almost nothing to say about it other than that he agrees with it.

I don't see this 'best economy in decades'... Show me.

  Trump also never wavered on the appointment of Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh and has fought like a lion to get more constitutionally minded judges appointed.

I fail to see these 'constitutionally minded' judges. I see two moderate SCOTUS appointments... And little to show me different otherwise with regard to other appointments. Granted, I confess I am not vetting every judge, but if Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are the bar, the term 'constitutionally minded' is being abused.

  Trump chipped away at the nightmare of Obamacare, starting with an end to its vile poverty tax slapped onto the Americans who could not afford its costly one-size-fits all offerings.

And yet it STILL is not gone... My family is still paying quadruple what they used to... The Congressional imposed regulations still prevent competition.

  And he's fighting like heck for a wall with which to restore the integrity of U.S. borders. 

And I am sure the congress will relent and give him enough money for a door knob for his big, beautiful door, and we will witness once again another pointless unearned victory lap.

And contrary to Romney's op-ed claims about U.S. allies no longer loving us, a lot of our allies love us – just ask Italy, Hungary, Poland, Israel, or Brazil.  As for the ones who don't (and as France shows, it's just the leaders who don't like Trump, not the yellow-vest protesters), why do we want the love of such detested political leaders?  These are people who hate us, and who hate their own people, too, allowing Muslim hordes from stone-age cultures to descend upon them, feed at their welfare troughs and sex-harass their women, turning vast swathes of Europe into no-go zones.

Well, judge not, I guess... 

  Meantime, get a load of how friendly things are now with Brazil.  Heck, get a load of how civil things are with socialist Mexico.  Take a look at the de-fanging of North Korea.  Is Trump supposed to have warm, friendly, back-slapping relations with leaders of hellholes such as Cuba and Venezuela?  Is he supposed to do whatever Angela Merkel or Theresa May wants him to do?  He's chosen to make friends with the people who stand for things – in Colombia, Peru, Brazil, Argentina, as well as Italy, Hungary, and much of Eastern Europe

Again, I don't see it, certainly not with NK being 'defanged'.  I don't see any extraordinary new relationships with Mexico or Brazil... Again, show me. I think you see the posturing and don't follow through - Similar to the great, great deal we got with the new 'NAFTA'...

Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

[roamer_1]

The more time goes by, the more we watch this president struggle but continue to try, the worse those who not only refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt but continue to harp on him look.

Nonsense. His 'struggle' is self induced... And always someone else to take the blame.

[Emjay]

Absolutely incorrect, with regard to Yeshua and with regard to reality. Such a hypocritical defense requires you to likewise not judge democrats and Muslim terrorists, murderers or rapists. If that is what you think, then you've not a single thought in your head.

Of course we are to judge.

WHAT ARTICLE? The OP? Or one I posted as you accused? And where did I quote Romney?

I don't see this 'best economy in decades'... Show me.

I fail to see these 'constitutionally minded' judges. I see two moderate SCOTUS appointments... And little to show me different otherwise with regard to other appointments. Granted, I confess I am not vetting every judge, but if Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are the bar, the term 'constitutionally minded' is being abused.

And yet it STILL is not gone... My family is still paying quadruple what they used to... The Congressional imposed regulations still prevent competition.

And I am sure the congress will relent and give him enough money for a door knob for his big, beautiful door, and we will witness once again another pointless unearned victory lap.

Well, judge not, I guess... 

Again, I don't see it, certainly not with NK being 'defanged'.  I don't see any extraordinary new relationships with Mexico or Brazil... Again, show me. I think you see the posturing and don't follow through - Similar to the great, great deal we got with the new 'NAFTA'...

Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

@roamer_1   First, I thought you posted the article on Romney but you didn't.  So sorry about that.

Second, you totally misunderstand the quote.  It doesn't tell us not to judge.  We judge constantly and often rightly.  It simply cautions us to look at ourselves before we do and make sure we are not guilty of the things we criticize others for.

I have no desire to 'show you' anything.  If you don't believe in any of the accomplishments, that is your problem.

[musiclady]

@musiclady   You will never know the true character of people in public life.  You will only know what they've chosen to show you. 

As far as faithfulness in marriage goes, I would nominate only Truman, Nixon, and the two Bushes.  Kennedy was a horn dog of the worst kind and Clinton was a trailer trash tail chaser.

Trump's life has been an open book so you know more about him than most.  His mother had Trump's worst qualities without his good sense and compassion.  She couldn't control him with her iron hair so she shipped him off to military school. I have no respect for her.

Trump has been married 3 times but we have no reason to think he's been unfaithful to Melania and we also know that his children seem to love him. 

So, you might want to hold off on that judgment thingee.

You deliberately misinterpret consistent values and simple observation and insist on judging me for my values.

So I'm going to ask you once again to stop your incessant judgment of people who haven't changed their standards because of a politician. 

It's unkind.

And, btw, you're not going to succeed in making me lose my objective understanding of absolute moral values by continuing to ridicule me.

New Year........ start trying to be nice, @Emjay

[Emjay]

You deliberately misinterpret consistent values and simple observation and insist on judging me for my values.

So I'm going to ask you once again to stop your incessant judgment of people who haven't changed their standards because of a politician. 

It's unkind.

And, btw, you're not going to succeed in making me lose my objective understanding of absolute moral values by continuing to ridicule me.

New Year........ start trying to be nice, @Emjay

That was me being nice, @musiclady   You may just have to deal with it.

[skeeter]

Nonsense. His 'struggle' is self induced... And always someone else to take the blame.

Let your's be the last word.

As usual.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1   First, I thought you posted the article on Romney but you didn't.  So sorry about that.

@Emjay
Accepted. And it improves my opinion of your character greatly that you have the stones to correct the situation... Thank you for that.

Second, you totally misunderstand the quote.  It doesn't tell us not to judge.  We judge constantly and often rightly.  It simply cautions us to look at ourselves before we do and make sure we are not guilty of the things we criticize others for.

Sorta, but no. If you analyze the Greek, and the Torah verses it is anchored in (every word Yeshua spoke is anchored in Torah), it is about judging fairly.

I have no desire to 'show you' anything.  If you don't believe in any of the accomplishments, that is your problem.

Right. Because I require evidence, and not merely words. It never ceases to amaze me how people can believe things without backing it up with evidence.

[skeeter]

@roamer_1   First, I thought you posted the article on Romney but you didn't.  So sorry about that.

Second, you totally misunderstand the quote.  It doesn't tell us not to judge.  We judge constantly and often rightly.  It simply cautions us to look at ourselves before we do and make sure we are not guilty of the things we criticize others for.

I have no desire to 'show you' anything.  If you don't believe in any of the accomplishments, that is your problem.

All I said was only God can discern true repentance. For that I got the 'judge not least ye be judged'. Still not getting the connection there.

[roamer_1]

Let your's be the last word.

As usual.

What the heck does that even mean?

[roamer_1]

All I said was only God can discern true repentance. For that I got the 'judge not least ye be judged'. Still not getting the connection there.

CORRECTION:

You got

That wanders perilously close to the bastardized 'Judge not lest ye be judged'...

[musiclady]

That was me being nice, @musiclady   You may just have to deal with it.

That was you being judgmental.

And I've been dealing with that since 2016.

Nothing new here @Emjay.

[Emjay]

That was you being judgmental.

And I've been dealing with that since 2016.

Nothing new here @Emjay.

Well, bless your heart @musiclady   You have really suffered.  Has it ever occurred to you that you are judging me equally as much as you think I judge you.

Probably not ... hard to see our own faults, isn't it?

[corbe]

   Trump is kicking azz in his Rose garden press conference, fixing to turn it over to Pence-ugh, I'm outta here.

[musiclady]

Well, bless your heart @musiclady   You have really suffered.  Has it ever occurred to you that you are judging me equally as much as you think I judge you.

Probably not ... hard to see our own faults, isn't it?

Happy New Year, Emjay.

I refuse to take part in your further attempt to hijack this thread with personal stuff (as amusing as it would be), so I'm done here.

Judge on! 

[RoosGirl]

FFS

[Smokin Joe]

FFS

Yep.