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'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« on: December 20, 2018, 02:59:20 pm »
'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
by Pete Kasperowicz
 | December 20, 2018 08:41 AM

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Rep. Mark Meadows said Thursday that President Trump and congressional Republicans blew their chance at getting a border wall by failing to insist on billions in new funding.

Meadows, R-N.C., said on Fox News that conservatives believe Trump is a fighter, but is getting "bad advice" on the border wall. Meadows and other conservatives want Trump to veto a short-term spending bill this week because it doesn't include border wall funding.

[Read more: Fox News host urges Trump to veto 'crap' bill with no wall funding]

"They believe that he's getting bad advice," Meadows said of how conservatives view Trump. "They know that he's promised not once, not twice but three different times that he would get border wall funding, and here we are about to punt."

"And I would argue, it's not a punt," Meadows added. "A punt actually helps improve the field advantage. This is a fumble, and we need to make sure that the president stays firm."

"A lot of people are very nervous this morning about whether the president will cave or not," he said.

But Meadows also blamed congressional Republicans for failing to make any effort to pass a bill this month that funds the border wall.

"We failed, we fumbled," he said.

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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 03:06:14 pm »
Correction:  Conservatives do NOT believe Trump is a fighter.  Trump Republicans may, but Conservatives don't.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 04:03:49 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on December 20, 2018, 03:06:14 pm
Correction:  Conservatives do NOT believe Trump is a fighter.  Trump Republicans may, but Conservatives don't.

Oh, I don't doubt he's a "fighter," but with a week like this, one questions for whom is he fighting.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2018, 04:34:08 pm »
Trump held the line for two years, the GOP Congress did nothing. Now that he backs down after overreaching on a demand for a border wall, suddenly everyone and the F Trump crowd is all in a tizzy and piling on, even those who'd never go for a wall to begin with.

Wish they had this passion two years ago.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2018, 04:38:05 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2018, 04:03:49 pm
Oh, I don't doubt he's a "fighter," but with a week like this, one questions for whom is he fighting.

I'm pretty sure the only actual "fighting" he does is in his tweets.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 04:45:55 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on December 20, 2018, 04:38:05 pm
I'm pretty sure the only actual "fighting" he does is in his tweets.

He's fighting his own constituents not by Tweet, but by caving to the Rats on building the wall.  I agree with those who say this is looking a lot like Bush 41's cave on "No new taxes."  Trump could be riding a healthy economy in 2020, and he will still lose because of this.

Don't get me started on his position on gun (owner) control.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 04:47:43 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on December 20, 2018, 04:34:08 pm
Trump held the line for two years, the GOP Congress did nothing. Now that he backs down after overreaching on a demand for a border wall, suddenly everyone and the F Trump crowd is all in a tizzy and piling on, even those who'd never go for a wall to begin with.

Wish they had this passion two years ago.

Because this is pretty much the last chance to get wall funding.  It ain't gonna happen when the new slate of dems get installed.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 04:53:24 pm »

"Sighs of relief over an averted government shutdown turned into chaos Thursday morning after President Trump announced via Twitter that he won't sign any legislation unless it has "perfect" border security."
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 05:13:17 pm »
Quote from: rustynail on December 20, 2018, 04:53:24 pm
"Sighs of relief over an averted government shutdown turned into chaos Thursday morning after President Trump announced via Twitter that he won't sign any legislation unless it has "perfect" border security."

There is a problem when a President blows with the Populist winds.  I'm sure he changed his mind back when he got flak.  When he gets flak in the other direction, he will blow back.

No core.  No wall.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 06:23:17 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2018, 04:45:55 pm
He's fighting his own constituents not by Tweet, but by caving to the Rats on building the wall.  I agree with those who say this is looking a lot like Bush 41's cave on "No new taxes."  Trump could be riding a healthy economy in 2020, and he will still lose because of this.

Don't get me started on his position on gun (owner) control.

Your analysis is spot on!

At this point Trump's only hope to save his presidency is to backtrack and veto the spending bill. His problem now is he has signaled his supporters that he can't be counted on in a pinch. If he doesn't win on this he will have 2 more years with nothing meaningful being done and then if he runs again he will lose.
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Re: 'This is a fumble': Mark Meadows rips Trump, GOP for border wall failure
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 06:26:23 pm »
Fumble?  This is three pick-sixes in a row.
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