More millennials are moving back home - and it's making everyone depressed:

[Dexter]

Yes....and what's your point?

We should be the best at everything. To hell with the interests and need of other nations. We should focus inward and do everything we can to ensure American dominance.

[txradioguy]

I'd be all about optimizing the money we already spend on welfare. Nobody should get a free ride through life, but I think public university and healthcare is not a free ride through life. I think those things will strengthen our nation.

Please tell me you're not really so obtuse to the point that you don't comprehend that what you're advocating for IS giving people a free ride through life.

How is not paying for college not giving someone a "free ride"?  You know what prospective students call a full scholarship to college? it's referred to as exactly what you say you don't want to give them "A Free Ride".

Giving everyone a free college education takes away the incentive for people to try in High School.

Why get good grades or be a star athlete if you get your college paid for simply because you're alive?

You are advocating for programs that will disincentivize people to try...to go above and beyond and to challenge themselves.

There won't be any motivation to push ones self and stretch ones limits under what you propose for school.

[sneakypete]

If the government took the money it wastes in Europe and used it to put young Americans through college it would be a benefit to our country. They're going to take your money anyway. Americans should be benefiting from the forced charity.

@Dexter

Yeah,causen eberbodie wans too go to college,huh? Din wezeuns kin hire dim brown foks frum Mexeko to du de dummie wurk,lak bildin hoses to lib in,fix are condituners,etc,etc,etc,huh?

We already have college graduates that can't read or write,what more do you want?

[Dexter]

Please tell me you're not really so obtuse to the point that you don't comprehend that what you're advocating for IS giving people a free ride through life.

How is not paying for college not giving someone a "free ride"?  You know what prospective students call a full scholarship to college? it's referred to as exactly what you say you don't want to give them "A Free Ride".

Giving everyone a free college education takes away the incentive for people to try in High School.

Why get good grades or be a star athlete if you get your college paid for simply because you're alive?

You are advocating for programs that will disincentivize people to try...to go above and beyond and to challenge themselves.

There won't be any motivation to push ones self and stretch ones limits under what you propose for school.

Why do so many countries with a public option for university have a higher average level of education if public school removes the incentive for learning? A free ride would be never needing to do anything but sit on your ass. That's not what I'm advocating.

[Dexter]

We already have college graduates that can't read or write,what more do you want?

Yeah, our education system is in shambles. We should look to countries that are doing it better and then do it even better than they do.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's not realistic to compare the Scandinavian countries to Cuba and Venezuela. It's not the same. Scandinavian countries are about capitalism. They're not destroying the private sector or free market.

You can't have it both ways.  Socialism is socialism, and I sure can compare the Scandinavians with the Cubans.  I've been alive too long to not see it.

I would not want a Scandinavian style healthcare system, I have repeatedly said so, but you are willing to force it upon me "for my own good." 

[Dexter]

"for my own good."

For the good of the nation we live in. I want Americans to have a higher standard of living than anybody else in the world.

[sneakypete]

We're smarter and better looking than they are. We're not going to turn into the Soviet Union by trying to give our young people more advantages.

@Dexter

Never been to Russia or met and talked with any educated Russians,have you?

[Cyber Liberty]

For the good of the nation we live in. I want Americans to have a higher standard of living than anybody else in the world.

I like how you've set yourself up as the arbiter of what is "good for me" (or anybody/everybody else).  I've about had enough of this thread, I don't want to go all rude on you again, out of frustration.

[Dexter]

@Dexter

Never been to Russia or met and talked with any educated Russians,have you?

We're better than the Russians. Do you disagree?

[thackney]

For the good of the nation we live in. I want Americans to have a higher standard of living than anybody else in the world.

We have the highest standard of living.  Your measurements showing otherwise are flawed.  When you value something I do not value, you cannot claim my standard of living is sub-par.

[Dexter]

I like how you've set yourself up as the arbiter of what is "good for me" (or anybody/everybody else).  I've about had enough of this thread, I don't want to go all rude on you again, out of frustration.

I'm trying to convince you that deep investments into the health and education of Americans will help us maintain our dominance of the world. I don't want my great grandchildren to be forced to learn Chinese.

[txradioguy]

A free ride would be never needing to do anything but sit on your ass. That's not what I'm advocating.

You are completely clueless about the outcomes of what you want.  That statement right there proves it.

[musiclady]

That doesn't mean we shouldn't have public college and healthcare, or at least do the best we can. We could free up incredible amounts of money if we weren't so wasteful and I think you know it.

I hope you realize that government control of our healthcare is complete control over our lives and anathema to personal freedom.

The words flip off your fingers easily, but what you are advocating here is that the incompetent, bloated, inefficient, greedy US government gets control of every aspect of our health and therefore, our lives.

IOW, you are advocating that Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, Obama, Trump and any radical idiot who might follow can dictate whether you live or die, and whether you are worth being cared for.

You are advocating that the best health care in the world submit to the dictates of the greedy, powerful swamp dwellers in DC, and descend into the abyss of mediocrity.

What a goal you have there, @Dexter.   

As for education...... the very reason the system is in a mess is what you are cheering on.  Leftist control.  Government overreach.  Lack of freedom to teach what should be taught.

NOTHING you are advocating works in real life.  EVERYTHING you are advocating will make our lives cheaper and less valuable.

[musiclady]

You are completely clueless about the outcomes of what you want.  That statement right there proves it.

I feel sorry for millennials like @Dexter who were never taught the value of hard work, personal responsibility and genuine achievement.

What he is cheerleading for here will take what little incentive is left in his generation, and throw it down the toilet.


For the betterment of the country, so he says.... 

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm trying to convince you that deep [Government] investments into the health and education of Americans will help us maintain our dominance of the world. I don't want my great grandchildren to be forced to learn Chinese.

It's possible to convince me investments are vital, but I don't want Government to be the ones doing it, in fact they are the last people I'd task with this.  The highlighted part I inserted in your quote is what I believe you mean, it's possible.

Just because I don't want government doing it doesn't mean I don't want it to be done.  This is a common fallacy I see from the left.

[RoosGirl]

Nationalists do too.

So you're a National Socialist?

[txradioguy]

I hope you realize that government control of our healthcare is complete control over our lives and anathema to personal freedom.

The words flip off your fingers easily, but what you are advocating here is that the incompetent, bloated, inefficient, greedy US government gets control of every aspect of our health and therefore, our lives.

IOW, you are advocating that Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, Obama, Trump and any radical idiot who might follow can dictate whether you live or die, and whether you are worth being cared for.

You are advocating that the best health care in the world submit to the dictates of the greedy, powerful swamp dwellers in DC, and descend into the abyss of mediocrity.

What a goal you have there, @Dexter.   

As for education...... the very reason the system is in a mess is what you are cheering on.  Leftist control.  Government overreach.  Lack of freedom to teach what should be taught.

NOTHING you are advocating works in real life.  EVERYTHING you are advocating will make our lives cheaper and less valuable.

@musiclady

[Dexter]

It's possible to convince me investments are vital, but I don't want Government to be the ones doing it, in fact they are the last people I'd task with this.  The highlighted part I inserted in your quote is what I believe you mean, it's possible.

Just because I don't want government doing it doesn't mean I don't want it to be done.  This is a common fallacy I see from the left.

How else can we make college and healthcare affordable to ALL Americans? Even in a free market utopia there will be people missing vital opportunities due to lack of access.

[sneakypete]

We're better than the Russians. Do you disagree?

@Dexter

Yes. Every single Russian I ever met placed knowledge and education above everything else. They all grew up in a system where only the masters had cash or material things,so education,knowledge,and work became their status symbols.

NOT saying they are better or smarter,but they are certainly no less. A lot of their scientific research was held back because their masters didn't want them sharing anything,not even with each other. Even if their scientists had insights,they weren't free to investigate and prove them.

BTW,you should hear some of the jokes they have about communism. They only told them amongst family and close personal friends back before the USSR collapsed,but they knew very well they were living in an artificial and politically corrupt world.

[txradioguy]

I feel sorry for millennials like @Dexter who were never taught the value of hard work, personal responsibility and genuine achievement.

What he is cheerleading for here will take what little incentive is left in his generation, and throw it down the toilet.


For the betterment of the country, so he says.... 

Thankfully I taught my two millennial children that it's better to work for something than to have it given to you and that a Government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything you have.

[Cyber Liberty]

So you're a National Socialist?

[Cyber Liberty]

How else can we make college and healthcare affordable to ALL Americans? Even in a free market utopia there will be people missing vital opportunities due to lack of access.

Let me be clear about the fallacy you are presenting:  The False Dichotomy.  If I don't want to do it the way you propose, I don't want it done, because there is no other way than the one you propose.

That's not even accounting for the fact that what you propose (HC for "all" Americans) is not possible under any third-payer system.

[Dexter]

So you're a National Socialist?

I'm a nationalist that supports certain social programs. I don't believe in dictators and I don't want to murder anybody.

[Dexter]

If I don't want to do it the way you propose, I don't want it done, because there is no other way than the one you propose.

How else can it be done?