Cindy McCain Trashes President Trump in First Interview Since John’s Death

[Bigun]

He was a real war hero and POW.  Unlike that POS McCain

And who actually earned everything in his life due to not having the family connections McCain enjoyed.

[Silver Pines]

Yes. It does take money out of my pocket when this pill popping trailer park whore's criminal husband votes to keep Obamacare and these shitbag Establishment losers bashing Trump are setting out to derail his agenda which includes more tax cuts. Yes. This does take money out of my pocket.

That’s not what I asked.  I asked what difference it makes that Cindy McCain dislikes Trump—not how her husband voted. 

Once more, Trump trashed her husband, so she doesn’t like Trump.  What else would you realistically expect?

[Silver Pines]

He was a real war hero and POW.  Unlike that POS McCain

@TheGhost

Thanks, I wasn’t familiar with the name.

But I’m not on board with that idea that McCain was secretly conspiring with the Vietnamese.  This is one of the things about tribalistic politics that drives me nuts.  If we dislike a politician’s agenda or ideology, we can’t acknowledge that he would ever do a decent thing.  It’s entirely possible to dislike someone but give him credit when he does something right. 

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/us/politics/jeremiah-a-denton-jr-war-hero-and-senator-dies-at-89.html

The prisoner of war had been tortured for 10 months and beaten repeatedly by his North Vietnamese captors in recent days, and there were threats of more if he did not respond properly when the propaganda broadcast began. Haggard but gritty, Cmdr. Jeremiah A. Denton Jr. slumped in a chair before the television cameras.

Pretending to be blinded by the spotlights, he began blinking — seemingly random spasms and tics. He answered interrogators’ questions with a trace of defiance, knowing he would be beaten again and again, but hoping that America would detect his secret message in Morse code.

To a question about American “war atrocities,” the captured pilot said: “I don’t know what is happening in Vietnam because the only news sources I have are North Vietnamese. But whatever the position of my government is, I believe in it, I support it, and I will support it as long as I live.”

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@sneakypete

Thanks for that.  Yeah, I would say a state funeral would have been justified. 

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Thanks for that.  Yeah, I would say a state funeral would have been justified.

@CatherineofAragon

I wouldn't,and I seriously doubt Denton would disagree with me. By DEFINITION "State funerals" are for heads of state. People like Presidents and Prime Ministers,not military men.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

I wouldn't,and I seriously doubt Denton would disagree with me. By DEFINITION "State funerals" are for heads of state. People like Presidents and Prime Ministers,not military men.

@sneakypete

Okay.  For me, politicians’ “sacrifices” can’t compare to what POWs suffer for the sake of their country, so I’m fine with breaking the rules.

[Cyber Liberty]

@sneakypete

Okay.  For me, politicians’ “sacrifices” can’t compare to what POWs suffer for the sake of their country, so I’m fine with breaking the rules.

Since I really don't know about the "quality" of his service in the Hanoi Hilton, I don't speak to that.

Therefore, I stick to looking at his time in elected offices.  I found it illustrative practically the first thing he did was to jump into the graft that was the Keating Five.  He's gone downhill ever since, using his POW "war hero" status to get reelected over and over again. 

I've had a front-row seat the whole time:  First he was my Representative, later my Senator, and I've detested him since day one for his duplicitous behavior in office.  While its a shame he had to croak from brain cancer to pry his clinging fingers from power, I'm pleased he's gone.  Let's see how the AZGOP deals with replacing Kyl in 2020 and again in 2022.

I don't really care what kind of funeral he had.  He had one and that's the important thing.

[Frank Cannon]

Since I really don't know about the "quality" of his service in the Hanoi Hilton, I don't speak to that.

I don't personally know either, but there is a disturbing amount of information from others who were there that say he was less than stellar. If I recall @Bigun has an extremely extensive package of information on the topic.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't personally know either, but there is a disturbing amount of information from others who were there that say he was less than stellar. If I recall @Bigun has an extremely extensive package of information on the topic.

I was never in the Military (child of the 70's here), and I always heard "You can't know, worthless civilian," so I chose to stick to the shenanigans in office instead.  It was a fertile field all by itself.  But he got returned to the office of his choice, again and again, because of the stupid voters swallowing the "POW war hero" shtick, hook, line and sinker. 

Stupid voters in AZ have dragged us all to Hell with them, just as they do all around the country.  I don't wish death n anyone, but his was an obituary I was pleased to read.

"Those who forget the past are doomed to forever repeat history.  Those of us who do remember are doomed to repeat history because of all the forgetful idiots."

[240B]

In medieval times, sometimes they would drive a stake through the heart of a corpse to make sure that it would not rise again and terrorize the villagers. McCain is arrogant, bitter, and ornery enough to fight with Death himself. He may actually win. I doubt anyone put a stake in McCain's heart. I hope he doesn't come back.

That guy was so utterly, completely, and entirely obsessed with lust for power down to his very soul, I wouldn't put anything past him. If anyone can bull-horn their way through the veil, it would be McCain.

[Bigun]

John McCain was a man consumed by the knowledge that he would have wound up selling used cars for a living but for his father and grandfather.

[Frank Cannon]

John McCain was a man consumed by the knowledge that he would have wound up selling used cars for a living but for his father and grandfather.

Sir. I know many used car dealers and John McCain would never be allowed to be one. Used car dealers at least make an effort to hide the fact that they are cheating you. McCain could never muster that.

[XenaLee]

John McCain was a man consumed by the knowledge that he would have wound up selling used cars for a living but for his father and grandfather.

No honor, no integrity... his only claim to fame was having been a POW.  I'm with Trump on this.  McCain is no damned hero in my book.  That denigrates the real heroes, in fact.

[Silver Pines]

Since I really don't know about the "quality" of his service in the Hanoi Hilton, I don't speak to that.

Therefore, I stick to looking at his time in elected offices.  I found it illustrative practically the first thing he did was to jump into the graft that was the Keating Five.  He's gone downhill ever since, using his POW "war hero" status to get reelected over and over again. 

I've had a front-row seat the whole time:  First he was my Representative, later my Senator, and I've detested him since day one for his duplicitous behavior in office.  While its a shame he had to croak from brain cancer to pry his clinging fingers from power, I'm pleased he's gone.  Let's see how the AZGOP deals with replacing Kyl in 2020 and again in 2022.

I don't really care what kind of funeral he had.  He had one and that's the important thing.

@Cyber Liberty

I guess I'm not making myself clear enough, somehow.  I said it over and over right after he died but was still labeled a McCain lover, and I think I said it upthread, but I'll try again.  My POV isn't about McCain's politics.  I didn't think much of him in that regard.  And I defer to you about his politics since he was your senator...we're on the same page but I didn't pay as much attention to him.

Politics aside, I didn't mind the state funeral because of the time he spent as a POW.  I think we have enough information to know what happened.  We weren't eyewitnesses, but we weren't with Denton, either. 

If he used his POW status to get re-elected, that's about what any politician would do because they suck.  But if people were dumb enough to elect him for it, blame them.  That's not enough to send someone to Washington.

The years in the Vietnamese prison camp bought McCain the state funeral.  We can disagree on it.

[Silver Pines]

I don't personally know either, but there is a disturbing amount of information from others who were there that say he was less than stellar. If I recall @Bigun has an extremely extensive package of information on the topic.

Lol, well in that case it's settled.

[Silver Pines]

No honor, no integrity... his only claim to fame was having been a POW.  I'm with Trump on this.  McCain is no damned hero in my book.  That denigrates the real heroes, in fact.

@XenaLee

Yeah, how dare the son of a bitch be tortured for his country.  Scum.

Y'all are off the wall on this. 

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Yeah, how dare the son of a bitch be tortured for his country.  Scum.

Y'all are off the wall on this.

Lol.... shall we agree to disagree, then?  Or shall we discuss other ""heroes"".  Hanoi John Kerry comes to mind.

@CatherineofAragon

[Silver Pines]

Lol.... shall we agree to disagree, then?  Or shall we discuss other ""heroes"".  Hanoi John Kerry comes to mind.

@CatherineofAragon

@XenaLee

Now there's a hero!   

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Now there's a hero!   

I've heard the propaganda tapes McCain made FOR the enemy.  That's probably why I feel so strongly against him.  Plus... there are other versions wherein he was not tortured, as he claimed.  Bottom line, he did America more of a disservice AFTER he returned home... in my opinion.   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I guess I'm not making myself clear enough, somehow.  I said it over and over right after he died but was still labeled a McCain lover, and I think I said it upthread, but I'll try again.  My POV isn't about McCain's politics.  I didn't think much of him in that regard.  And I defer to you about his politics since he was your senator...we're on the same page but I didn't pay as much attention to him.

Politics aside, I didn't mind the state funeral because of the time he spent as a POW.  I think we have enough information to know what happened.  We weren't eyewitnesses, but we weren't with Denton, either. 

If he used his POW status to get re-elected, that's about what any politician would do because they suck.  But if people were dumb enough to elect him for it, blame them.  That's not enough to send someone to Washington.

The years in the Vietnamese prison camp bought McCain the state funeral.  We can disagree on it.

@CatherineofAragon

I don't know that we disagree with that, but if we do, we'll do it agreeably (as always).  There are things on this thread with which I agree and things I don't.  I have a certain perspective on the whole McCain business, which is reasonable considering where I've been living.   

[Silver Pines]

I've heard the propaganda tapes McCain made FOR the enemy.  That's probably why I feel so strongly against him.  Plus... there are other versions wherein he was not tortured, as he claimed.  Bottom line, he did America more of a disservice AFTER he returned home... in my opinion.   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain

@XenaLee, I'm not here for that silly conspiracy nonsense.  Sorry, but that's all it is.  For God's sake, this is TBR, not Breitbart or Conservative Treehouse.

Tapes---you mean the confession McCain said he regretted being coerced into?  Because what you're doing is judging a former POW for giving in to torture.  I know we all like to think of ourselves as uber patriots who would never do such a thing, but it's really easy to condemn it while we sit here in our comfortable houses with a cup of wine or coffee.  I wonder how many of us would say whatever our captors wanted under torture. 

https://www.voanews.com/a/former-pows-remember-john-mccain-in-vietnam/4553641.html

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

I don't know that we disagree with that, but if we do, we'll do it agreeably (as always).  There are things on this thread with which I agree and things I don't.  I have a certain perspective on the whole McCain business, which is reasonable considering where I've been living.   

@Cyber Liberty

And that's another point I made in my post which was apparently ignored.  It's like talking to thin air. Forget it.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

And that's another point I made in my post which was apparently ignored.  It's like talking to thin air. Forget it.

Sorry.

(Sometimes "agreeably" seems to be difficult to obtain.)

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee, I'm not here for that silly conspiracy nonsense.  Sorry, but that's all it is.  For God's sake, this is TBR, not Breitbart or Conservative Treehouse.

Tapes---you mean the confession McCain said he regretted being coerced into?  Because what you're doing is judging a former POW for giving in to torture.  I know we all like to think of ourselves as uber patriots who would never do such a thing, but it's really easy to condemn it while we sit here in our comfortable houses with a cup of wine or coffee.  I wonder how many of us would say whatever our captors wanted under torture. 

https://www.voanews.com/a/former-pows-remember-john-mccain-in-vietnam/4553641.html

Yeah....well... I'm not here for the same BS that I can get from the idiot left.  The same idiot left that, coincidentally, thinks rather highly of John McCain. 

In MY book, a real hero doesn't make propaganda tapes for the enemy/communists.  If you can't handle my opinion on this...

that is, I'd have to say, your problem (not mine).

[Silver Pines]

Yeah....well... I'm not here for the same BS that I can get from the idiot left.  The same idiot left that, coincidentally, thinks rather highly of John McCain. 

In MY book, a real hero doesn't make propaganda tapes for the enemy/communists.  If you can't handle my opinion on this...

that is, I'd have to say, your problem (not mine).

@XenaLee

Funny coming from someone who reacts to a single positive observation with the same dumb old accusations of leftism, "thinking highly of McCain", etc.  You prove what I've been saying perfectly, so thanks.

Conservatives don't think anymore and they can't handle nuance.  If you dislike a person for his politics, he has to be a straight-on black-evil demon and you better never give him credit for anything decent said or done.  That's the reverse of the Trump fanatic who can't take criticism about Trump, thinks he's God's gift, and refuses to admit he could do anything wrong.  It's no different, but it's where we are politically.  It's simple-minded and stupid.

If you have to resort to fringe conspiracies in order to avoid giving a man credit for being a POW---and how small is that, really---well, that's a problem.  But you do you.