Nearly 200,000 Florida Voters May Not Be Citizens

[rangerrebew]

Nearly 200,000 Florida Voters May Not Be Citizens

Tens of thousands of voters could be dropped from the rolls this election year

By Gary Fineout

Published May 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM | Updated at 6:59 PM EST on Nov 10, 2018

Florida officials are now saying that nearly 200,000 registered voters may not be U.S. citizens.

Earlier in the week, state election officials announced they had identified more than 2,600 people who are in Florida legally but ineligible to vote.

The Department of State is asking county election officials to verify the information. Election supervisors are contacting voters and if someone is not a citizen, their name will be dropped from the voter rolls.

But an initial list drawn up by the state — and not widely released — shows that a comparison of voter lists and driver's license information turned up a list of nearly 182,000 people who may not be U.S. citizens.


https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...WM0PwP9eSvyqbw

[Chosen Daughter]

We are in a state of anarchy.  What is sad is that both parties have fed into lawlessness with illegal immigration.  We allowed the laws to be broken for cheap labor.  Well here is your result.

[TomSea]

We are in a state of anarchy.  What is sad is that both parties have fed into lawlessness with illegal immigration.  We allowed the laws to be broken for cheap labor.  Well here is your result.

 

[TomSea]

Governor Walker may have lost by something like 1,200 votes or something and that was with 3rd party candidates getting over 40,000 votes in Wisconsin.

Florida by contrast is the nation's 3rd most populated state but by whatever measure, those are way too many votes, this is farcical.

[libertybele]

We are in a state of anarchy.  What is sad is that both parties have fed into lawlessness with illegal immigration.  We allowed the laws to be broken for cheap labor.  Well here is your result.

No doubt both parties have profited from illegal immigration; however the DEMS are wanting illegals to be granted voting privliges.   I'm sure this is going to go all the way to the FL Supreme Court.

Anyone??  Where in the Constitution does it specifically state that one must be a U.S. citizen in order to vote??

I did a google search and there are several amendments but I can't find anywhere in the Constitution that specifically states that one has to be a U.S. citizen in order to vote.

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon
@libertybele
@TomSea

"'The Department of State is asking county election officials to verify the information. Election supervisors are contacting voters and if someone is not a citizen, their name will be dropped from the voter rolls.'  But an initial list drawn up by the state — and not widely released — shows that a comparison of voter lists and driver's license information turned up a list of nearly 182,000 people who may not be U.S. citizens."

I dealt with this in Broward County in 2000. Here is what is wrong- first in elections, then about the master voter roll.
Look at the chain of command:
Secretary of State - in charge of all elections - the buck stops here - the Secretary of State should know the Florida Election Laws.  He/she likely does not.  In 2000, I dealt with Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State, and she did not appear to know the election laws.  And, it was she who was getting big flack from everyone.  Why didn't she know the laws?  Because, the Secretary of State does not run the elections.  Who does?  The Secretary of State has a Division of Elections, a sub-part of the Secretary of State. Here is what they have on their website today.  The only important sentence is the last one:

"The Florida Department of State’s Division of Elections provides administrative support to the Secretary of State (which is why the Secretary of State doesn't bother to know the election laws), Florida’s Chief Election Officer, to ensure that Florida has fair and accurate elections. The Division consists of three bureaus - the Bureau of Election Records, the Bureau of Voter Registration Services, and the Bureau of Voting Systems Certification. Through these bureaus and the director's office, the Division ensures compliance with the election laws, provides statewide coordination of election administration and promotes public participation in the electoral process.  The Division also assists county Supervisors of Elections in their duties, including providing technical support. 

That last sentence is a riot - Since this woman, Brenda Snipes, has been there from the time right after the 2000 fiasco, starting in 2003, and has had these same problems with every election until now - THE DIVISION OF ELECTIONS HAS DONE NOTHING TO FIX BROWARD COUNTY.  They knew it was holding shoddy elections and did nothing.  They didn't suddenly find Brenda this election and said, "Oh, my, if we had known we could have helped."

Now, the above is about the actual election.  Let's go to part two - voter roll.
After Florida's disaster election (Broward County again) of 2000, new federal laws were made in 2003.  One of those laws made the SECRETARY OF STATE IN EVERY STATE THE OFFICIAL HOME OF THE STATE VOTER ROLL.  Laws told them how to manage the master voter roll.  So, if the Browder voter roll is a mess, it is because the STATE BUREAU OF VOTER REGISTRATION HAS NOT UPDATED BROWARD COUNTY ROLLS.

This law works this way in Texas: When the 2003 law was passed and the Secretary of State took over our voter rolls, a person now applies to be a voter at the county and the information is sent to the Secretary of State, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE OFFICIAL VOTER ROLL FOR EVERY COUNTY.  The state information of this person is checked and if the person is a valid citizen, the approval is sent to the county and the name is added to the county roll.

What does Florida do to add voters to a county voter list?  If they don't give a hoot and are not checking counties to do it right, then that is what is wrong with the lists.  Maybe Brenda isn't sending in the new names, well the Bureau should be checking every county for new names.

[mrclose]

Published May 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM | Updated at 11:00 PM EDT on May 11, 2012

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

They don't call them "provisional votes" for nothing.

[BassWrangler]

@Victoria33 don't some some states allow last minute registration at the polling place? I wonder if that is the issue.

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33 don't some some states allow last minute registration at the polling place? I wonder if that is the issue.

@BassWrangler

Texas does not. There is a final date to register for an election and none after that, until the election is over.  Some states do this on the day of a primary; however, since their data cannot be checked then to determine if the person is a citizen living in that voter precinct, they will vote a Provisional Ballot.  Let's see how that works.
1. The voter votes a Provisional Ballot.  These ballots are paper.  They are keep separate from regular ballots.
2. The next day, or the day after that, The Early Voting Ballot Board meets and by using the county master voter list, determine if that person is a valid voter. 

If the name is not on the County Voter List in any voting precinct, the name and details are sent to the Secretary of State, Elections Division, to check the person's information using Driver's License, physical address, arrest record, birth records, death records, Passport records, divorce records, and others I didn't think of, to determine if this person is a citizen.  If the person is a citizen, and not in prison, not determined to be mentally incompetent by court order, the name is sent to the county to be added to the voter roll.  If it is determined the person is not a citizen, the county is contacted to tell them not to put the name on the voter record.

[BassWrangler]

@BassWrangler

Texas does not. There is a final date to register for an election and none after that, until the election is over.  Some states do this on the day of a primary; however, since their data cannot be checked then to determine if the person is a citizen living in that voter precinct, they will vote a Provisional Ballot.  Let's see how that works.
1. The voter votes a Provisional Ballot.  These ballots are paper.  They are keep separate from regular ballots.
2. The next day, or the day after that, The Early Voting Ballot Board meets and by using the county master voter list, determine if that person is a valid voter. 

If the name is not on the County Voter List in any voting precinct, the name and details are sent to the Secretary of State, Elections Division, to check the person's information using Driver's License, physical address, arrest record, birth records, death records, Passport records, divorce records, and others I didn't think of, to determine if this person is a citizen.  If the person is a citizen, and not in prison, not determined to be mentally incompetent by court order, the name is sent to the county to be added to the voter roll.  If it is determined the person is not a citizen, the county is contacted to tell them not to put the name on the voter record.

@Victoria33

Thanks for clarifying that. From what I've read on this, Florida also has a provisional ballot process. However, there is some evidence that in Broward county they were mixing the provisional ballots in with non-provisional ballots, which of course at that point makes it impossible to then validate and remove that ballot if possible.

[RetBobbyMI]

For Federal elections (President, Senate or House of Representatives) maybe there ought to be a Uniform Code of Elections which states must follow or obtain an exemption from the FEC.  We have uniform building codes, uniform electrical codes that states and communities may buy into, but nothing for federal elections.

However, by doing that, we dive into the states rights and constitutional issues that anything not specifically enumerated to the federal government is a right of the various states.

[mrclose]

People!
This is an article from 2012!!
Didn't the Obama/Mitt Romney part give anyone a clue?

Here's the original ...

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html