2,100 mostly unarmed Guard troops on border as Trump vows to send more to stop migrant caravan

[libertybele]

2,100 mostly unarmed Guard troops on border as Trump vows to send more to stop migrant caravan

On Monday, Trump lashed out at the caravan, calling it an “assault on our country” and vowing to send as many additional troops as necessary to the border to stop them, according to USA Today.

The now estimated 7,000 migrants have reached southern Mexico. They are traveling mostly by foot on a route that originated with about 200 initial migrants seeking to escape gang violence in Honduras.

In April, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authorized that as many as 4,000 troops could be sent to the border pending approval of participating state governors. The memo allowed for the cost of the deployment to be reimbursed through federal funds, but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/

[Sanguine]

 

[Cyber Liberty]

   is right.

RA or nothing.  We need guys with bullets under Regular Army rules.  This half-assed shit is how we got here.

[rustynail]

Not looking good at all.

[Cyber Liberty]

Not looking good at all.

SSDD.

[jpsb]

A great big nothing.

[INVAR]

Well, we have seen this shitshow before and know the drill.   If things remain as they are for the next day or so without closing the border and militarizing it - then it will prove what some of us said Trump would be: a lying, empty egomaniacal blowhard with a giant mouth, uncontrollable thumbs and a small weiner all along.

And we will go the way of Europe has with their invasion armies.

[XenaLee]

2,100 mostly unarmed Guard troops on border as Trump vows to send more to stop migrant caravan

On Monday, Trump lashed out at the caravan, calling it an “assault on our country” and vowing to send as many additional troops as necessary to the border to stop them, according to USA Today.

The now estimated 7,000 migrants have reached southern Mexico. They are traveling mostly by foot on a route that originated with about 200 initial migrants seeking to escape gang violence in Honduras.

In April, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authorized that as many as 4,000 troops could be sent to the border pending approval of participating state governors. The memo allowed for the cost of the deployment to be reimbursed through federal funds, but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/23/2000-unarmed-guard-troops-on-border-as-trump-vows-to-send-more-to-stop-migrant-caravan/

Um.... well.... ok.   This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.

What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border?   Why even bother sending them?

[Cyber Liberty]

Um.... well.... ok.   This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.

What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border?   Why even bother sending them?

They are supposed to run away, lest they get beaten like the Mexican polizie.   

[XenaLee]

They are supposed to run away, lest they get beaten like the Mexican polizie.   

Well at the risk of stating the effing obvious....

this is only going to piss off most Trump-supporting voters.  Is this really how it's going to go?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?

Do folks here really want us to?

I'm sure military strategists have thought this through more clearly than I, but we can do plenty short of this.  Off the top of my head, we can create a buffer zone in Mexico and implement, without judicial interference, catch and return.

We have water cannons, tear gas and sonic music, too.  We have enough military trucks and/or aircraft with military personnel to take them back to Guatamala.

But use live bullets?  No.  We are not going to do that.

[INVAR]

Um.... well.... ok.   This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes.

What, exactly, are the national guard troops supposed to do when the illegal invading hoards push through them and across the border?   Why even bother sending them?

It satisfies the belief in the die-hards that Trump is actually DOING something about it - even though like everything else - it's all Kabuki theater - all for show with nothing permanent beyond the two Judges he got onto SCOTUS.

We are about to once again witness just how feckless, useless and complicit our own government is in facilitating the open-border invasion that both parties want.

[INVAR]

Do folks here really believe we are going to open fire on unarmed people that will include women and children at the front of the line?

...But use live bullets?  No.  We are not going to do that.

That is exactly what every enemy, Jihadist and terrorist with a cause knows and understands.

Why do you think this "caravan" was orchestrated and this invasion planned without any fear of American-flag burning self-proclaimed "warriors" rushing the border in a mass invasion? 

They know that we have no willpower to do what will have to be done to stop them, and they know that the end game will be struck no matter what the results are.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It satisfies the belief in the die-hards that Trump is actually DOING something about it - even though like everything else - it's all Kabuki theater - all for show with nothing permanent beyond the two Judges he got onto SCOTUS.

We are about to once again witness just how feckless, useless and complicit our own government is in facilitating the open-border invasion that both parties want.

Why are you praying for the slaughter of 10,000 unarmed people by the US military?  Why can't you settle down and come up with a Plan B?

[XenaLee]

Why are you praying for the slaughter of 10,000 unarmed people by the US military?  Why can't you settle down and come up with a Plan B?

You seem to have conveniently missed this part....

but also limited the National Guard’s role, prohibiting guard forces from interacting with any of the migrants or taking on a law enforcement role.

How the hell can there even be a ""Plan B"" if/when we're not allowing the military to "interact" with the migrant hoard?

[Right_in_Virginia]

That is exactly what every enemy, Jihadist and terrorist with a cause knows and understands.

Why do you think this "caravan" was orchestrated and this invasion planned without any fear of American-flag burning self-proclaimed "warriors" rushing the border in a mass invasion? 

They know that we have no willpower to do what will have to be done to stop them, and they know that the end game will be struck no matter what the results are.

We are not going to slaughter unarmed people.  Make them uncomfortable and bodily return them to their countries of origin, yes.

Block and return, yes.  Slaughter, no.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You seem to have conveniently missed this part....

How the hell can there even be a ""Plan B"" if/when we're not allowing the military to "interact" with the migrant hoard?

This article quotes the Mattis plan from April.  Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.

[XenaLee]

This article quotes the Mattis plan from April.  Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.

Early voting is going on as we speak.   Don't you think it would be nice if he would share his thoughts on what that "October/November" plan might entail now?

[Cyber Liberty]

This article quotes the Mattis plan from April.  Let's see what the Trump plan in October/November is before getting upset.

I'm waiting.  If it's just National Guard, I'm going nuclear.

[INVAR]

We are not going to slaughter unarmed people.

No.  And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.

For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.

[rustynail]

They could win this thing and occupy large parts of the southwest by Christmas.

[skeeter]

I'm waiting.  If it's just National Guard, I'm going nuclear.

Same here. Unlike some I'll wait to see what actually happens before launching.

Trump has a pretty good eye for the country's mood. I hope he's determined enough to exercise his instincts.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Early voting is going on as we speak.   Don't you think it would be nice if he would share his thoughts on what that "October/November" plan might entail now?

I'm not convinced military strategy needs to be advertised, even if you think it would be nice.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No.  And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.

For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince. 

Oh, please calm down and stop throwing around your usual asinine hyperbole.  We're facing a huge threat.

Understand our military is not going to open fire on these people.  This being the case, what would you like to see the President do?  I'm being serious here Invar.  Either join a rational conversation about the possible or take some time off and get some rest. 

[goodwithagun]

No.  And you're not going to stop tens of thousands of this first wave of the invasion from coming into this country and pillaging it either.

For all this garbage you people pushed about Trump being this mystical and miraculous savior of the country - this 'fighter' you pretend that he is - you get to watch the loss of your country in his watch, and you will justify it simply to prop up the empty suit you made your prince.