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Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« on: October 07, 2018, 01:59:28 pm »
Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
By Max Greenwood - 10/07/18 09:45 AM EDT

Democrats have a better shot than ever at winning back the House majority with 30 days to go before the midterm elections, but have seen their narrow shot of taking back the Senate erode amid the controversy surrounding Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the Supreme Court.

The Kavanaugh saga has dominated politics for a fortnight, energizing partisans in both parties. While no one can be certain how the next four weeks will play out, the fight seems likely to hurt Republicans further with the suburban female voters seen as pivotal in many toss-up House districts.

But there are signs that the fight over Kavanaugh’s nomination has helped Republicans close a wide enthusiasm gap with Democrats, who have so far held the edge in momentum.

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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2018, 02:04:56 pm »
Who are they kidding?  The Dems can't even see their own navel.  Their plan backfired and instead, fired up Republicans and others to vote GOP next month.  But nice spin try.
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 02:08:27 pm »
Wow, Fox just had Nunes on. Nunes talks about people in his own state coming up to him and saying they can't believe what they are watching on TV. I totally agree, people in the rest of the country look askance at all of this.... only the Far Left can like this.

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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 02:10:21 pm »
Do any of these sources claiming blue tsunamis bother explaining just what reasons average democrats have for rushing to the polls to vote against republicans in Nov are? Have they suddenly noticed the presidents style? Do they hate a booming economy? Do they want to see ICE eliminated and illegal families reunited?

What is it that has made them so determined to want Nancy Pelosi back?

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 03:00:19 pm »
Do any of these sources claiming blue tsunamis bother explaining just what reasons average democrats have for rushing to the polls to vote against republicans in Nov are? Have they suddenly noticed the presidents style? Do they hate a booming economy? Do they want to see ICE eliminated and illegal families reunited?

What is it that has made them so determined to want Nancy Pelosi back?

Increasingly, America is divided not only politically but geographically, as Republicans slowly flee urban coastal metropolitan areas for places where they might live among those who share their values. Also, nearly universal access to the internet via a multiplicity of devices has allowed people to self-select their sources of news and information. 

As a consequence, Progressives have little occasion to know or hear from people with differing views and opinions. This, in turn results in a hardening of attitudes and political polarization via the process of confirmation bias.

I would argue that this same process is happening to conservatives and moral traditionalists, albeit on a lesser scale, due to the fact that conservatism is not as much an ideology as it is a philosophy, which allows its followers to allow for and accept differences of opinion on a broader range of issues.

On the other hand, post-modern Progressivism  is in essence a secular faith, with all of the attendant commandments and catechisms that arise more from belief than from reason.

Either way, the blue and red shades that define 21st century America are slowly becoming more vivid and less pastel.   
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 03:27:41 pm »
I can't understand how anyone would vote for a democrat for any reason- ever.
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2018, 03:56:59 pm »
Who are they kidding?  The Dems can't even see their own navel.  Their plan backfired and instead, fired up Republicans and others to vote GOP next month.  But nice spin try.

Hey, it's The Hill.  Whaddaya expect?  Balance? :shrug:
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 04:01:53 pm »
Do any of these sources claiming blue tsunamis bother explaining just what reasons average democrats have for rushing to the polls to vote against republicans in Nov are? Have they suddenly noticed the presidents style? Do they hate a booming economy? Do they want to see ICE eliminated and illegal families reunited?

What is it that has made them so determined to want Nancy Pelosi back?

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... the fight seems likely to hurt Republicans further with the suburban female voters seen as pivotal in many toss-up House districts.

They are going with the automatic assumption that stories like the ones the Rats ginned up against Kav always redound to the benefit of Rats.  I don't think it's true this go-round.  "The fight" has forced the Pubbies to get over their internal AT/NT internal argument.  (There will always be dead-enders on one side or the other.)
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 04:05:36 pm »
Their tears will taste delicious when this does not happen. We need to start a poll on who/what the losses will be blamed on since liberals can’t seem to grasp that it’s their policies.
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 05:13:29 pm »
Hey, it's The Hill.  Whaddaya expect?  Balance? :shrug:

Yeah, they're just another lamestream outlet that spews "their truth"... which equates to pure BS.  But their BS does manage to fool their dumbed down, sublimely ignorant masses.  Which is why they keep it going.
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2018, 05:26:06 pm »
Increasingly, America is divided not only politically but geographically, as Republicans slowly flee urban coastal metropolitan areas for places where they might live among those who share their values. Also, nearly universal access to the internet via a multiplicity of devices has allowed people to self-select their sources of news and information. 

As a consequence, Progressives have little occasion to know or hear from people with differing views and opinions. This, in turn results in a hardening of attitudes and political polarization via the process of confirmation bias.

I would argue that this same process is happening to conservatives and moral traditionalists, albeit on a lesser scale, due to the fact that conservatism is not as much an ideology as it is a philosophy, which allows its followers to allow for and accept differences of opinion on a broader range of issues.

On the other hand, post-modern Progressivism  is in essence a secular faith, with all of the attendant commandments and catechisms that arise more from belief than from reason.

Either way, the blue and red shades that define 21st century America are slowly becoming more vivid and less pastel.

Good post but I must protest your use of the term 'progressive.' when referring to liberals.  Actually, they are not liberal either.  We need a new word.  Progressive implies moving towards good and liberal implies acceptance of others.  Democrats are neither.
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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2018, 05:33:21 pm »
Increasingly, America is divided not only politically but geographically, as Republicans slowly flee urban coastal metropolitan areas for places where they might live among those who share their values. Also, nearly universal access to the internet via a multiplicity of devices has allowed people to self-select their sources of news and information. 

As a consequence, Progressives have little occasion to know or hear from people with differing views and opinions. This, in turn results in a hardening of attitudes and political polarization via the process of confirmation bias.

I would argue that this same process is happening to conservatives and moral traditionalists, albeit on a lesser scale, due to the fact that conservatism is not as much an ideology as it is a philosophy, which allows its followers to allow for and accept differences of opinion on a broader range of issues.

On the other hand, post-modern Progressivism  is in essence a secular faith, with all of the attendant commandments and catechisms that arise more from belief than from reason.

Either way, the blue and red shades that define 21st century America are slowly becoming more vivid and less pastel.

Irreconcilable differences.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2018, 05:49:32 pm »
Irreconcilable differences.

A divorce is in order.

I don't think that's a good idea.  The phrase "United we stand, divided we fall" applies.
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Increasingly, America is divided not only politically but geographically, as Republicans slowly flee urban coastal metropolitan areas for places where they might live among those who share their values. Also, nearly universal access to the internet via a multiplicity of devices has allowed people to self-select their sources of news and information. 

As a consequence, Progressives have little occasion to know or hear from people with differing views and opinions. This, in turn results in a hardening of attitudes and political polarization via the process of confirmation bias.

I would argue that this same process is happening to conservatives and moral traditionalists, albeit on a lesser scale, due to the fact that conservatism is not as much an ideology as it is a philosophy, which allows its followers to allow for and accept differences of opinion on a broader range of issues.

On the other hand, post-modern Progressivism  is in essence a secular faith, with all of the attendant commandments and catechisms that arise more from belief than from reason.

Either way, the blue and red shades that define 21st century America are slowly becoming more vivid and less pastel.

 :amen: @andy58-in-nh.

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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2018, 06:31:47 pm »
@Bigun  I liked Uncle Milty.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2018, 06:38:45 pm »
@Bigun  I liked Uncle Milty.

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2018, 06:50:51 pm »
I can't understand how anyone would vote for a democrat for any reason- ever.


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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2018, 06:56:31 pm »

DT agrees with you!
"You don’t hand matches to an arsonist, and you don’t give power to an angry left-wing mob. Democrats have become too EXTREME and TOO DANGEROUS to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law - not the rule of the mob. VOTE REPUBLICAN!"

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Re: Dems see blue 'tsunami' in House as Senate path narrows
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2018, 07:22:50 pm »
Who are they kidding?  The Dems can't even see their own navel.  Their plan backfired and instead, fired up Republicans and others to vote GOP next month.  But nice spin try.


They’re not optimistic without reason.  They’re currently ahead in two KS districts where they shouldn’t be.  The support for Yoder from the party has evaporated.  Trump was just in Topeka, campaigning for Kobach and Watkins.  He shouldn’t have to, in a state he won by 20 points in the election.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/ks/kansas_2nd_congressional_district_watkins_vs_davis-6496.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/ks/kansas_3rd_district_yoder_vs_davids-6653.html

https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/01/house-republicans-pull-support-from-yoder/
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2018, 07:37:10 pm »
but have seen their narrow shot of taking back the Senate erode

So now it was a "narrow shot" they had in the Senate? Last month they were telling us they had it in the bag. These people are delusional at best.

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2018, 07:38:23 pm »

They’re not optimistic without reason.  They’re currently ahead in two KS districts where they shouldn’t be.  The support for Yoder from the party has evaporated.  Trump was just in Topeka, campaigning for Kobach and Watkins.  He shouldn’t have to, in a state he won by 20 points in the election.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/ks/kansas_2nd_congressional_district_watkins_vs_davis-6496.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/ks/kansas_3rd_district_yoder_vs_davids-6653.html

https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/01/house-republicans-pull-support-from-yoder/

They were sure Hillary would win.  I thought she would also.  I think their optimism may be misplaced.  I pray it is.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2018, 08:10:57 pm »
They were sure Hillary would win.  I thought she would also.  I think their optimism may be misplaced.  I pray it is.



The party has given up on Yoder.  Potentially losing two House seats in the brick red heartland is not a good sign for the midterm.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2018, 09:12:00 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2018, 09:38:38 pm »
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Who are they kidding?  The Dems can't even see their own navel.  Their plan backfired and instead, fired up Republicans and others to vote GOP next month.  But nice spin try.

I think the media is using push-polling and the cherry-picking of data to try to gin up false confidence among the Dems so the Dems won't lose heart and thereby lose so much enthusiasm that they don't even bother to vote .  (I also think the MSM might be giving cover to the voting fraud that the Dems currently regard as their inside track.  I personally suspect that they will be shocked if they think Trump will not be able to prevent massive cheating.  [He has been eerily quiet about voting fraud since the original draft of the DHS report came out months ago.])

The Dems are also in a desperate denial, by the way, about the whispered fact of how Trump is going to shift the political narrative now that Kavanaugh is on the SCOTUS.  I am predicting a big red wave--a veritable tsunami 200 feet high and hitting the Dems at about 500 mph. 

(Delaying Kavanaugh's confirmation was crucial to the Dems' last hope of avoiding a tsunami.  [Remember Lindsey Graham's strange, brief series of questions to Kavanaugh about military prosecutions of civilians!  Remember also that we are living in a declared State of National Emergency involving national security [the EO from December of 2017]--and that there are 55,000 sealed court orders, surely including thousands of sealed indictments, on www.pacer.gov.)