‘Never Trumpers’ unite to back Trump’s battle for Kavanaugh

[Silver Pines]

And yet, for that he is basically called ignorant.  Ahmazing!

@XenaLee

Yup.  I remember the days when dislike of a politician/president wasn't heresy.

[Silver Pines]

Dam it, @Emjay   You are good !!!

@Emjay

You flatter me with your attentions.  You're too kind, really.

[Emjay]

This is true.

@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone   You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.

Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs.  What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years?

Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same.  Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him.  Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree.  What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.   

Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?

Again, they are not all the same.  And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying?  You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.

[Bigun]

@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone   You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.

Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.

I don't think that's true @Emjay

The forum is more than ready.  It's just a few holdouts who aren't.

[txradioguy]

Column: When the Brett Kavanaugh circus ends, we won't forget your sins, Matt Damon

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html

@Maj. Bill Martin
@Mesaclone

 

I didn't even know SNL was still on.

[aligncare]

Dam it, @Emjay   You are good !!!

 

[Emjay]

I don't think that's true @Emjay

The forum is more than ready.  It's just a few holdouts who aren't.

@Bigun   I agree.  I have definitely noticed a mellowing of a lot of people around here, perhaps brought on by our mutual horror at what happened to Judge Kavanaugh.

There are a few people who will never give up their Trump hatred but that's their problem.

[XenaLee]

Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same.  Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him.  Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree.  What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.   

Again, they are not all the same.  And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying?  You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.

This ^  ^  !

And this logic has been presented to them previously, yet they still can't seem to grasp it.

[Emjay]

I didn't even know SNL was still on.

Hardly anybody does know @txradioguy .  I can remember watching the late night comedians before they became politicians.  But I understand Matt Damon did a turn as Judge Kavanaugh.  He hasn't been that good since "I Bought a Zoo."

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin @Mesaclone   You all are two of the smartest, nicest guys on the whole forum.

Apparently the forum is not ready for you, but good try.

Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time.  Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today.  @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination.  To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary.  And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either. 

But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic.  Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump.  And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters.  I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump.  When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people.  @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.

The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers".  The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.

[txradioguy]

If anyone wants to see what real honest to God "never trumpers" look and sound like...stroll over to DemocratUnderground.

Everything people get accused of being...actually manifests itself in every poster over there...and it's comedy gold.

For example:

WhiskeyWulf (49 posts)

Bind Kavanaugh: Emergency Ritual for the #MagicResistance
https://extranewsfeed.com/bind-kavanaugh-emergency-working-for-the-magicresistance-cbd51ee3b3a4

"The following ritual is a variant of my #MeToo spell, which may be found in my newly published book, Magic for the Resistance: Rituals and Spells for Change (Llewellyn Worldwide).

"Unlike the Trump binding spell, there is no need to coordinate the timing of this working. Do it whenever it is convenient, but please do it before the upcoming confirmation vote in the Senate. Many of us will be casting the spell at midnight (Eastern Time) on the evening before the vote if you wish to join forces with us."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12192160

You just can't make this stuff up! 

[txradioguy]

Hardly anybody does know @txradioguy .  I can remember watching the late night comedians before they became politicians.  But I understand Matt Damon did a turn as Judge Kavanaugh.  He hasn't been that good since "I Bought a Zoo."

I haven't watched SNL since the Chris Rock Chris Farley David Spade days.

Last movie I liked Damon in was the Jason Bourne movies.

[Emjay]

Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time.  Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today.  @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination.  To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary.  And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either. 

But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic.  Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump.  And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters.  I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump.  When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people.  @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.

The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers".  The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.

I actually think @Maj. Bill Martin that a lot of the animosity still among is is as much about dislikes between posters.  I am personally the target of a few people who hate me more than they hate Trump.  But my dog totally loves me.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Not all of those who are/were NeverTrump are the same.  Some will hang on to that designation as absolutists, and refuse to have anything to do with Trump or with any who support him.  Others who may have been NT at some time have moderated to some degree.  What you call the "frustration" you exhibit at the former end up alienating some of the latter.   

Again, they are not all the same.  And to the extent there are some who you believe will never be "satisfied"...then why bother trying?  You're beating your head against the wall fighting with those who cannot be convinced, and in the process alienating some who can.

Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin  ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard.  You *know* you're posting psychobabble.  Shame on you. 

[Sanguine]

If anyone wants to see what real honest to God "never trumpers" look and sound like...stroll over to DemocratUnderground.

Everything people get accused of being...actually manifests itself in every poster over there...and it's comedy gold.

For example:

You just can't make this stuff up! 

I did go over there for a while last night but it was too weird and depressing to stay long.

[Bigun]

Believe it or not, there has been some movement on this forum by some who were previously NeverTrump, all the time.  Hell, I moved from where I was on Trump to where I am today.  @Jazzhead has been at least somewhat radicalized by the way the Democrats have behaved on the Kavanaugh nomination.  To the extent there are incorrigible Always Trumpers, who believe he does not wrong and condemn anyone who says otherwise, there's no point arguing with them to the contrary.  And to the extent there are NeverTrumpers who are the flip side of that coin, there's no point arguing with them either. 

But there are a lot of people along various points of that continuum who respect and respond best to those who are not so nasty/dogmatic.  Like many people here, I came over from TOS after being sent to the kids' table (having posts pre-approved) simply because I questioned Trump.  And to be honest, a lot of my anti-Trump feelings were actually anger at some of his kookier/nastier supporters.  I was so angry at the TOS AlwaysTrump nutbags -- who were nasty to the core towards anyone who questioned their Messiah -- that I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of supporting Trump.  When I left TOS and came here, I had a lot less exposure to those thoroughly annoying people.  @Mesaclone was an early Trump supporter who was not a nutbag, and as I read his posts, the anger I felt at Trump because of his TOS supporters dissipated, and I thankfully ended up casting my vote based on the candidate, not based on his most annoying supporters.

The biggest problem here are the generalizations made about "NeverTrumpers" and "AlwaysTrumpers".  The vast majority of people and posters here and elsewhere do not fit the stereotypes their opposites like to imagine.

@Maj. Bill Martin

You sir are on a roll today!  Rarely does painting with broad brushes result in art.

[dfwgator]

 
Last movie I liked Damon in was Team America...

 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin  ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard.  You *know* you're posting psychobabble.  Shame on you. 

Absolutely nothing of the sort.  If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more.  I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.

If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....

Have a Blessed Day!

[XenaLee]

Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin  ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard.  You *know* you're posting psychobabble.  Shame on you. 

Thus proven once again.... the rationale and common sense that Maj. Bill Martin is displaying is like a foreign language to you.  It doesn't compute.   The logic escapes you.   Not that I'm surprised.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

 
Last movie I liked Damon in was Team America...

 

It is almost impossible to find the Unrated version of that movie, which is one of the most offensive/hilarious things I've ever watched.  The marionette sex scenes...have to be seen to be believed.

[Emjay]

Absolutely nothing of the sort.  If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more.  I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.

If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....

Have a Blessed Day!

Sorry about that @Maj. Bill Martin but we seem to have a way to go.

[DCPatriot]

Oh for crap sake @Maj. Bill Martin  ... you're not even being serious. You're playing word games in an attempt to appear the peacemaker while laughing your ass off behind your keyboard.  You *know* you're posting psychobabble.  Shame on you. 

Couldn't have said it any better.     

[txradioguy]

Absolutely nothing of the sort.  If you don't believe there are people who dislike/disliked Trump in large part because of how annoyingly intolerant some of his supporters were, you need to get out more.  I think that was particularly true for many of us who came over from TOS.

If you want to believe that I'm lying and just making stuff up....

Have a Blessed Day!

She's as indoctrinated to her inflexible beliefs about anyone who doesn't agree with her as any Progressive at DU.  They are two sides of the same coin.


What you said made perfect sense and her response simply highlights perfectly one of the points you were trying to make.

[INVAR]

We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".

You and yours engage in spite and fling it with aplomb every single time someone here has a criticism or comment that you people think is negative about your leader.

Every.  Single.  Time.

What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs.  What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years? 

You just said a short time ago that you do not give a rat's ass about what we think or do or not do.

Clearly you do not understand yourself.

Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?

Try real hard to truly not give a rat's ass about what will satisfy those of us who do not cheerlead to your satisfaction or have right and hard criticisms that you dismiss.