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Offline edpc

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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.


Or, just keep spending and negotiate your debt, as Trump has previously suggested.     *****rollingeyes*****
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Or, just keep spending and negotiate your debt, as Trump has previously suggested.     *****rollingeyes*****

Yeah right - Too big to fail.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Where does Congress get the constitutional right to collect taxes for expenses not enumerated in Article I, Section 8?  @Jazzhead

(Serious question, I can't find it)  Thanks.

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This (Sec 5 of Amendment 14) is how I've seen idiotic spending justified by Courts.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

The Court concocts an Equal Protection Right and then justifies funding it through the 14th.

Crap like this is why taking back the Judiciary is so important.

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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.

Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean. 

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Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean.

*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.

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I think that an all too rosy picture, even as dire as it is.

It is accurate.  Included in each year's budget is the payoff of bonds that become due that Year.  No bond has a due date beyond 20 years.
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*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.

Works for me.
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*NOTHING* without massive decrease in spending, and allowance for payment of debt in real money.

Congress needs to quit the baseline budgeting too.
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Congress needs to quit the baseline budgeting too.

Well wake me up whenever there are enough of them willing to abandon that institutionalized policy.
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Well wake me up whenever there are enough of them willing to abandon that institutionalized policy.

Must we really, @INVAR   You are so much fun when you are sleeping.
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Damage? For Pete’s sake! Trump has done more for conservatives in just two short years  than republican politicians have done for conservatives in the last 25-years!

If taxes on imports, blowout deficits, and taxpayer funded abortions are your idea of conservatism, then I just have to disagree.  Whether the judges pan out is something that will not be apparent for a decade or more.  Kavanaugh told Collins he would not touch Roe.  Maybe you don't care if bad decisions are overturned, so we'll disagree on that as well.

The damage I referenced would come in the form of lost elections.  There is evidence that Trump has made the conservative movement less popular with people that may swing the country to the left in coming years.  Trump is the same as he ever was.  Democrats have gone completely berserk.  For the near term, he is useful in keeping them distracted.  But don't expect us to stay quiet when he does something harmful.
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Yeah, but, think about what "balancing the budget" would mean.

Other than 'Doing your job as the People's Representative'?
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If taxes on imports, blowout deficits, and taxpayer funded abortions are your idea of conservatism, then I just have to disagree.  Whether the judges pan out is something that will not be apparent for a decade or more.  Kavanaugh told Collins he would not touch Roe.  Maybe you don't care if bad decisions are overturned, so we'll disagree on that as well.

The damage I referenced would come in the form of lost elections.  There is evidence that Trump has made the conservative movement less popular with people that may swing the country to the left in coming years.  Trump is the same as he ever was.  Democrats have gone completely berserk.  For the near term, he is useful in keeping them distracted.  But don't expect us to stay quiet when he does something harmful.

Shouldn't that be 'if' and not 'when?' 
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Other than 'Doing your job as the People's Representative'?

No, I meant the details.  If the feds were limited to spending no more than they brought in, the cuts in "services" would have to be massive.  With great societial impact. 

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No, I meant the details.  If the feds were limited to spending no more than they brought in, the cuts in "services" would have to be massive.  With great societial impact.

Absolutely!  Just think of the societal impact if the incentive to not work was taken away?  We would be looking at double-digit growth through the next decade.
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Shouldn't that be 'if' and not 'when?'

sure, why not

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Absolutely!  Just think of the societal impact if the incentive to not work was taken away?  We would be looking at double-digit growth through the next decade.

Among other things.  It would be horrible at first though.  All those getting somebody else's money won't give it up easily.

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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