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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #300 on: September 27, 2018, 04:22:44 pm »

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Ford says her friends urged her to contact the Washington Post or the NY Times. She chose to send a note to Rep Anna Eshoo D-CA, her member of Congress
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #301 on: September 27, 2018, 04:22:55 pm »
The question is whether or not this really happened or not. Not whether or not this is "good" for what political party.

No, that's not the question.   The incident likely happened, but was perceived differently by Ford and Kavanaugh.   Ford may be ginning this up as attempted rape and sexual assault; but I can believe that she remembers the single most salient aspect from her perspective -  a hand being placed over her mouth.   Kavanaugh likely has no choate memories of the incident at all,  since from his perspective nothing memorable happened, just boisterous hi-jinks.   As Ford testifies,  K and Mark Judge were laughing - hardly the mindsets of predators.    Keep in mind that Ford and Kavanaugh never had another encounter after the party.    I can understand perfectly why both may be telling the truth from their perspectives.

And that is why the question becomes how Kavanaugh can present the issue of "two truths" in its best possible light.    To me, the approach that may save him is tactical contrition - an acknowledgement of the difference in their perspectives,  and the possibility that he may have acted, as a 17 year old drinking beer with buddies, in a way that was upsetting to her.   With that possibility acknowledged, he can then apologize for his teenage actions and criticize the party culture that was all too prevalent back in those days when the drinking age in many places was only 18.   

He needs to turn this into a positive - not by admitting to assault, but by owning up to the bravado and insensitivity of beer-fueled teenage encounters, and pointing to the rest of his life as evidence that he has grown into a responsible adult.   
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #302 on: September 27, 2018, 04:24:05 pm »
Ford- inappropriate affect as she answers Coon's question about "boys being boys." Smiling. Back to the epinephrine.
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« Reply #303 on: September 27, 2018, 04:24:20 pm »
The ultimate question that must be gotten to is "Why would she lie?"     That has to be nailed. 

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« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2018, 04:25:22 pm »

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Almost every person close to Trump who had told me having a sex crimes prosecutor question Ford was good strategy is saying they think it was a mistake after the first portion of the hearing.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #305 on: September 27, 2018, 04:25:24 pm »
Mitchell for Sasse? Sounds like they said that, that's fine.

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« Reply #306 on: September 27, 2018, 04:26:00 pm »
The ultimate question that must be gotten to is "Why would she lie?"     That has to be nailed.

Ford has convinced herself that this happened. You're not lying if you believe it.
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« Reply #307 on: September 27, 2018, 04:26:24 pm »

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This is a key point that has been overlooked. Ford tried to tell her story BEFORE Kavanaugh was selected. She isn't trying to tank his nomination at the last minute as part of a Democratic plot. She was hoping people would know about this prior to his being selected.
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« Reply #309 on: September 27, 2018, 04:27:13 pm »

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The timing of Dr. Ford’s reaching out before the nomination is incredibly compelling—and should give great pause to those tribalists who want to portray this as a “con job,” to pick a phrase at random.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #310 on: September 27, 2018, 04:27:22 pm »
The ultimate question that must be gotten to is "Why would she lie?"     That has to be nailed.

People were sure she wouldn't show up.  They were wrong.

Perhaps she is not lying - from her perspective.   Kavanaugh has to confront and address that likely truth.   It can be done.  They were, after all, just teenagers.  Mistakes and misperceptions were par for the course.   
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« Reply #311 on: September 27, 2018, 04:27:29 pm »
No, that's not the question.   The incident likely happened, but was perceived differently by Ford and Kavanaugh.   Ford may be ginning this up as attempted rape and sexual assault; but I can believe that she remembers the single most salient aspect from her perspective -  a hand being placed over her mouth.   Kavanaugh likely has no choate memories of the incident at all,  since from his perspective nothing memorable happened, just boisterous hi-jinks.   As Ford testifies,  K and Mark Judge were laughing - hardly the mindsets of predators.    Keep in mind that Ford and Kavanaugh never had another encounter after the party.    I can understand perfectly why both may be telling the truth from their perspectives.

And that is why the question becomes how Kavanaugh can present the issue of "two truths" in its best possible light.    To me, the approach that may save him is tactical contrition - an acknowledgement of the difference in their perspectives,  and the possibility that he may have acted, as a 17 year old drinking beer with buddies, in a way that was upsetting to her.   With that possibility acknowledged, he can then apologize for his teenage actions and criticize the party culture that was all too prevalent back in those days when the drinking age in many places was only 18.   

He needs to turn this into a positive - not by admitting to assault, but by owning up to the bravado and insensitivity of beer-fueled teenage encounters, and pointing to the rest of his life as evidence that he has grown into a responsible adult.   

That's great and all, but the actual evidence points to Kavanaugh not even being there.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #312 on: September 27, 2018, 04:28:04 pm »

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Female friend writes: "Why can't she remember things that happened in the last two months? And why did this hearing have to be delayed over a fear of flying if she regularly flies back to the East Coast once a year?"



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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #313 on: September 27, 2018, 04:28:19 pm »
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Almost every person close to Trump who had told me having a sex crimes prosecutor question Ford was good strategy is saying they think it was a mistake after the first portion of the hearing.

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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #314 on: September 27, 2018, 04:28:53 pm »

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Ford says she saw Mark Judge at a store. She says she said hello, then says he was very uncomfortable saying hi back. Previously she said Judge completely avoided her.
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« Reply #315 on: September 27, 2018, 04:29:25 pm »
That's great and all, but the actual evidence points to Kavanaugh not even being there.

Actual evidence vs one persons faulty memories.
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Re: LIVE THREAD>>>Judicial Hearing
« Reply #316 on: September 27, 2018, 04:29:27 pm »
She went to New Hampshire . Now I feel icky. I wonder if she took a plane?
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« Reply #317 on: September 27, 2018, 04:29:29 pm »

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1) For some reason, @rushlimbaugh was initially wrong on his "GOP will lose everything if K isn't confirmed" and recanted 2 days later. Now he's back to GOP doesn't realize they are in a hearing, not a deposition.

They absolutely do. All they wanted was to get lies on record.
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« Reply #318 on: September 27, 2018, 04:29:38 pm »
This fat prosecutor with the clown haircut is a disaster. All she does is ask these go nowhere questions and never calls her out.

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« Reply #319 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:02 pm »
Ford's memory is faltering. Must be the meds.
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« Reply #320 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:39 pm »
My take.... she's either a complete moron, or she's acting.  Would be interesting to see if her friends and family think she was "acting" all timid and meek.... or is she always that way.  I'm betting it's just her role/act for today's performance.
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« Reply #321 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:50 pm »

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No matter how sympathetic, eloquent, and seemingly authentic Ford may be (and she's all those things), none of that can compensate for a lack of evidence where there should be plenty of evidence, had the thing really happened as she says
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« Reply #322 on: September 27, 2018, 04:31:24 pm »

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Honestly, just let her leave and go back to her life. She has told you what she had to tell you.
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« Reply #323 on: September 27, 2018, 04:31:29 pm »
Ford has convinced herself that this happened. You're not lying if you believe it.

Correct.   The task at hand is to present the truth from Kavanaugh's perspective, and then attempt to reconcile it.   This isn't about guilt or innocence.  It is about understanding, and demonstrating that the Kavanaugh seeking a seat on the SCOTUS is a different individual then the one who ran with the horny and drunk teenagers from long-ago Georgetown Prep.   
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« Reply #324 on: September 27, 2018, 04:31:33 pm »
Ford interviewed lawyers on the phone in her car in Delaware while on vacay after July 30th letter and August 7th when she returned to Cali having completed her lie detector.
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