Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump

[Emjay]

Was it anything like that lengthy list of "accomplishments" Legal American posted that was more like wishful thinking than accomplishments? If so, glad I didn't.

No, it was a thoughtful article that dealt in some depth with the things Trump has accomplished.

You can probably still find it if you're interested.

[Emjay]

@Applewood   here's the link: 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html

[Sighlass]

I guess every election a politician has to kiss some babies and a little arse... Good thing is with Trump you can kill two birds with one stone.

[TomSea]

What did the Cruz campaign mock? Rubio?

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/1.html

Yes, right,  the Cruz campaign did no wrong.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

   I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months?   I am not your enemy.

If you have tiny little hands, you look for tiny little targets.

[jpsb]

Maybe the Trump "fan boys"

Sounds to me like you have not learned a damn thing.

[jpsb]

I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.

There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
the Texas delegation met with Cruz and told him "get on board or you are done." A little later Cruz
endorsed Trump.

[jpsb]

If I took you seriously, corbe, I'd have to kill myself.  You still haven't explained the NDA thingee.

@Emjay

NDA=non disclosure agreement.

[jpsb]

I read your post.  I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries.  IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.

please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.

[Applewood]

@Applewood   here's the link: 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html

Thank you @Emjay

The article confines itself to foreign policy matters and not the domestic issues Trump primarily campaigned on.  Some of the successes and accomplishments are a bit dubious.  For example, I don't see North Korea discontinuing its nuclear program, despite Trump's assurances that NK no longer poses a threat.  About the only accomplishment from that meeting has been the identification of two sets of remains of POWS/MIAs sent over by NK following the summit.  Significant, and I realize it will take time to identify the rest of the remains, but I'm withholding my enthusiastic applause for now. 

On the home front, he has yet to be successful.  Oh, I've heard all the excuses -- that these things take time, that he has a reluctant congress to work with and so on.  But I should think that in two years, he would have been further along in fulfilling his promises by now.  Tax reform was really a tax tweak and while there have been benefits to business and maybe some individuals, most of the rest of us got nothing out of it.  And I'm afraid that Trump's trade war with other countries will wipe out what few benefits were achieved by the tax tweak. 

Although the requirement (mandate) has been removed, Obamacare with all of its ugliness still remains and it looks like both parties want to make it worse by implementing government run health care.  And we still have hordes of illegals and alleged "refugees" flooding into this country. 

Trump was sold as the great negotiator and deal maker.  Although it's up to congress to pass legislation to fulfill all those campaign promises, Trump as president should be ab ble to wield the influence inherent to that position to move his supposed agenda forward.  But I've seen little evidence of the great Art of the Deal negotiator.  Whining, complaining and bullying will not help achieve those goals. 

I'm sorry, but articles like this one praising Trump's supposed achievements are still nothing more than propaganda.  Fact is, on most matters Trump has been a disappointing failure. 

[aligncare]

please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.

That’s how I recall the whole sordid mess. Trump was true to his word; attack him or his, expect heavy fire in return.

A candidate’s family used to be off limits from political attacks, then culture coarsened. With politics downstream from culture and the stakes so high, it was only a matter of time before one campaign stepped up to the line, another straddle the line and another still takes it to the nth degree.

Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today), and we have a fait accompli. And now society’s gotta deal.

[jpsb]

Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human
evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today),

LOL, too true!

[goodwithagun]

That’s how I recall the whole sordid mess. Trump was true to his word; attack him or his, expect heavy fire in return.

A candidate’s family used to be off limits from political attacks, then culture coarsened. With politics downstream from culture and the stakes so high, it was only a matter of time before one campaign stepped up to the line, another straddle the line and another still takes it to the nth degree.

Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today), and we have a fait accompli. And now society’s gotta deal.

It’s a fact that Melania has some questionable pics. Why would pointing out facts be a reason to accuse Cruz’s dad of killing JFK? Pecker lovers are so bizarre.

[musiclady]

I guess every election a politician has to kiss some babies and a little arse... Good thing is with Trump you can kill two birds with one stone.

 

[Sanguine]

please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.

Not true, @jpsb. 

[libertybele]

There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
the Texas delegation met with Cruz and told him "get on board or you are done." A little later Cruz
endorsed Trump.

...hmm... let's see...Trump threatened to 'spill the beans' on Cruz's wife, he ran a derogatory comparison pic of Heidi and Melania, and he threatened Cruz that he would never win re-election in TX. He also accused Cruz's father of murdering JFK. It was a very nasty campaign with Trump flinging the first blow and I applaud Cruz for his stance.  He never said anything at the convention against Trump, he merely told people to vote their conscious. People had a binary choice; Trump or Clinton.  Trumpsters went ape ship because Cruz didn't come out and endorse Trump.

Actually, Cruz met with Trump and was promised/given a list of conservative justices to replace Scalia it was after that time, that Cruz said he was voting for Trump.  He never actually endorsed him.  One of Cruz's biggest concerns during the campaign was to see that a conservative justice seated.

[jpsb]

It’s a fact that Melania has some questionable pics. Why would pointing out facts be a reason to accuse Cruz’s dad of killing JFK? Pecker lovers are so bizarre.

Melania was a professional model in Europe, not a porn star. Does being a model and doing semi-
nudes make one morally unfit to be First Lady in 21 first century? I don't think so but the point is
that Cruz fired the first shot. As for the JFK thing Trump did not start that either and he was just
answering a question from a reporter.

[jpsb]

Not true, @jpsb.

CNN

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump escalated his feud with Ted Cruz on Twitter Tuesday — but this time he also involved the Texas senator's wife, who hit back on Wednesday at an impromptu press conference.
The real estate mogul tweeted that the Texas senator should "be careful" or he would "spill the beans on your wife" Heidi Cruz.
"Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!," he tweeted Tuesday evening, just minutes before polls closed in Arizona. Trump tweeted and deleted a similar version of the Tweet about 10 minutes earlier.


https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html

Cruz started it

Cruz is up for reelection, it is not wise to piss off Trump supporters by reliving  the 2016 primaries.

[libertybele]

I read your post.  I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries.  IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.

I also understand your assessment of the issue of abortion and President Trump.  It's a more evolved and mature position than "President Trump is the most pro-life President in History."  Certainly more defensible. I feel frustrated that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress and the Whitehouse for 2 years, passes multiple overfunded budgets, and never once tried to fight PP.  We can both be right.  You can believe they may have done "the best they can," and I believe it's not enough. 

Good post, good points, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my position.

Actually the GOP has held the majority for almost 4 years.  PP is one issue, repeal of Bammycare and building the wall are issues that were promised by most and not kept.

They have had every opportunity and yet they sit and do nothing.  Who do they have to blame?  Even with the DEMS being the minority party, they still have managed to retain control.  I shutter to think what's going to happen once they are the majority party.

[jpsb]

...hmm... let's see...Trump threatened to 'spill the beans' on Cruz's wife, he ran a derogatory comparison pic of Heidi and Melania, and he threatened Cruz that he would never win re-election in TX. He also accused Cruz's father of murdering JFK. It was a very nasty campaign with Trump flinging the first blow and I applaud Cruz for his stance.  He never said anything at the convention against Trump, he merely told people to vote their conscious. People had a binary choice; Trump or Clinton.  Trumpsters went ape ship because Cruz didn't come out and endorse Trump.

Bull Shit, you Cruzers are starting to piss me off AGAIN.



BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.

And then he DID NOT endorse Trump at the GOP convention! That is what pissed off the Texas
delegation. He lied and broke his promise.

[libertybele]

Bull Shit, you Cruzers are starting to piss me off AGAIN.



BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.

And then he DID NOT endorse Trump at the GOP convention! That is what pissed off the Texas
delegation. He lied and broke his promise.

Support and endorse are two different things.

As far as pissi** in your cornflakes this morning because you still can't admit that Trump threw the first punches is not my problem ... most people for crying out loud have moved on.

I strongly support Cruz and I continue to stand behind this President when he deserves praise and a pat on the back ... sorry ... but there are things that this President does and tweets that make me cringe.  I'm not holding anything against him because of his bombastic and narcissistic attacks on Cruz ... to do so is counter productive just as holding it against Cruz that he didn't come out and endorse Trump is counter productive.

Get over it and move on.  Cruz has stood behind Trump more so than most in Congress.

[jpsb]

Support and endorse are two different things.

As far as pissi** in your cornflakes this morning because you still can't admit that Trump threw the first punches is not my problem ...

I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.

[libertybele]

Donald Trump continued his verbal assault on his top rival’s wife late Wednesday evening with a crude retweet negatively comparing her looks to that of his ex-model wife Melania. On Tuesday, the GOP frontrunner threatened to “spill the beans” on Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi, in return for an unaffiliated super PAC’s ad shaming Melania for having once posed nude for a magazine. In return, Cruz called the reality-TV star a “coward” and Heidi denied that Trump’s innuendo was grounded in reality. Fulfilling his unassailable classiness, however, Trump then manually retweeted a supporter’s message showing side-by-side images of Heidi and Melania, with the caption, “No need to ‘spill the beans,’ the images are worth a thousand words.” Cruz responded shortly thereafter: “Donald, real men don’t attack women. Your wife is lovely, and Heidi is the love of my life.”

[libertybele]

@jpsb ...then there's the whole birther issue.

Do you really want to continue on?  I think it's much more productive and good for the country that these 2 powerhouses get along and work toward their goals which are very similar.

Cruz let the past go a long long time ago and has repeatedly stood by this President when he felt he was right. To sit and cast stones almost two years after the fact is ridiculous and counter productive.  Without these 2 men (and a small handful of others), this country would be in a world of hurt right now.

If it means more to you to hold a grudge against Cruz than to help ensure that TX remains red, so be it.

Next.

[Emjay]

Thank you @Emjay

The article confines itself to foreign policy matters and not the domestic issues Trump primarily campaigned on.  Some of the successes and accomplishments are a bit dubious.  For example, I don't see North Korea discontinuing its nuclear program, despite Trump's assurances that NK no longer poses a threat.  About the only accomplishment from that meeting has been the identification of two sets of remains of POWS/MIAs sent over by NK following the summit.  Significant, and I realize it will take time to identify the rest of the remains, but I'm withholding my enthusiastic applause for now. 

On the home front, he has yet to be successful.  Oh, I've heard all the excuses -- that these things take time, that he has a reluctant congress to work with and so on.  But I should think that in two years, he would have been further along in fulfilling his promises by now.  Tax reform was really a tax tweak and while there have been benefits to business and maybe some individuals, most of the rest of us got nothing out of it.  And I'm afraid that Trump's trade war with other countries will wipe out what few benefits were achieved by the tax tweak. 

Although the requirement (mandate) has been removed, Obamacare with all of its ugliness still remains and it looks like both parties want to make it worse by implementing government run health care.  And we still have hordes of illegals and alleged "refugees" flooding into this country. 

Trump was sold as the great negotiator and deal maker.  Although it's up to congress to pass legislation to fulfill all those campaign promises, Trump as president should be ab ble to wield the influence inherent to that position to move his supposed agenda forward.  But I've seen little evidence of the great Art of the Deal negotiator.  Whining, complaining and bullying will not help achieve those goals. 

I'm sorry, but articles like this one praising Trump's supposed achievements are still nothing more than propaganda.  Fact is, on most matters Trump has been a disappointing failure.

Well @Applewood  I do thank you for reading the article. I was more impressed than you were and I have been more impressed with Trump's presidency than you are, but that's life.

I do not consider Trump a disappointing failure at all.  Maybe it's because I expected very little from him and he has been so much better than I expected.  Even though you may not credit Trump with it, the economy is definitely on the upswing.