In The Throes Of A REAL Coup...

[roamer_1]

It is not about their "feelings", their "principles", it is about our country! 

Just like, you have the RIGHT of way at a stop sign.  But another car drives through & kills you.  You were 'RIGHT', but you are still DEAD!  You are dead right.  This is what N.T.'s do. They want to be RIGHT.  Yes, dead right. And that helps, who?

Damn Straight.
Give me Liberty, or give me death.

And this country means nothing at all. It is the liberty it used to afford us all that means something.
And without those principles you sneer at, there is no liberty.

[XenaLee]

Without the principles of Conservatism, what you will have on the right is one of three:

Anarchy
Theocracy
or
National Socialism.

Since this iteration is a big spending big gov sort, dispossessed of those very principles, it is not Anarchy, though it could yet devolve there.

Since it eschews the values of Social Conservatism, and spits upon the Judeo-Christian Ethic, it certainly is no Theocracy, though with the messianic strains in hailing Tump, it certainly could yet devolve there.

Which leaves but one other option, which this current iteration fits.  Not cleanly as yet, but it fits. Welcome to the Workers Party.

National Socialist v. Communist (deja vu all over again)... I have no dog in that hunt. No matter who wins, my liberty is gone. And I will not assist either in becoming my master. A pox on both houses.

Um... I'm seeing hints of all three already. 

Anarchy via the radical left activists, Antifa.
 
Theocracy via the god leftists worship which is big "G" Government (they love that totalitarian stuff as long as they're the ones in control). 

National Socialism via the brain-washed, indoctrinated and dumbed-down voters who are too stupid (or haven't been taught) to know the evils of socialism (ie communism w/a smiley face), so they vote for whatever Democrat promises them them most "free stuff".

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I appreciate your optimism and goodwill, but after the last couple of years - I have to ask - what "side" would that be exactly?

The "Side" that says you are either with Trump or with the "enemy"??

I've never said that, and a lot of people have never said that.  You are again taking the most extreme statements of some Trump supporters -- sometimes that are just intended as hyperbole -- and using that to claim that there is no possibility of cooperation on anything with anyone except those who think exactly as you do.

[roamer_1]

Um... I'm seeing hints of all three already. 

Anarchy via the radical left activists, Antifa.
 
Theocracy via the god leftists worship which is big "G" Government (they love that totalitarian stuff as long as they're the ones in control). 

National Socialism via the brain-washed, indoctrinated and dumbed-down voters who are too stupid (or haven't been taught) to know the evils of socialism (ie communism w/a smiley face), so they vote for whatever Democrat promises them them most "free stuff".

Not my point. Look to the right, and what the right is espousing.
Liberalism does not win by merit. It has none.
It wins because it has no opposition.

[roamer_1]

I've never said that, and a lot of people have never said that.  You are again taking the most extreme statements of some Trump supporters -- sometimes that are just intended as hyperbole -- and using that to claim that there is no possibility of cooperation on anything with anyone except those who think exactly as you do.

If that's what you think, then you haven't been paying attention.

[XenaLee]

Not my point. Look to the right, and what the right is espousing.
Liberalism does not win by merit. It has none.
It wins because it has no opposition.

You mean... like how the GOP has been offering (only) "DemocRat Lite" policies re: fiscal issues?  If so...

I concur.

But one thing (or two things) that the right is espousing that the left is vehemently against is strong borders and illegal immigration control plus a strong national defense and military.   Without which we will have no nation to squabble over, ultimately.   Considering the hamstrung conditions that Trump and the GOP has had for the past two years, they aren't doing that bad on those main issues.  Now... on the spending and national debt/deficit issue?  Don't get me started...lol.

Edit:  Additionally... that corporate tax cut was something the left abhors.  Which I, coincidentally, loved.  So the GOP has done a few things right (pardon pun).  Let's give credit where due.

[roamer_1]

You mean... like how the GOP has been offering (only) "DemocRat Lite" policies re: fiscal issues?  If so...

I concur.

But one thing (or two things) that the right is espousing that the left is vehemently against is strong borders and illegal immigration control plus a strong national defense and military.   Without which we will have no nation to squabble over, ultimately.   Considering the hamstrung conditions that Trump and the GOP has had for the past two years, they aren't doing that bad on those main issues.  Now... on the spending and national debt/deficit issue?  Don't get me started...lol.

Edit:  Additionally... that corporate tax cut was something the left abhors.  Which I, coincidentally, loved.  So the GOP has done a few things right (pardon pun).  Let's give credit where due.

I DO (and HAVE) given credit where it is due - But the end is still the same.
I will assert the hamstrung condition is by design.
You will get no wall. You will get no real immigration controls. Mark my words.

Tax cuts are largely imagined at this point, simply shifting the entry point, with no curb (in fact increase) on spending... and increased costs due to tariffs.

Let me redirect. What came, REALLY, out of the tumultuous Bush administration?
when all his EOs were overturned, and directors were shown the door, What really was left us, long term?

[Emjay]

I've never said that, and a lot of people have never said that.  You are again taking the most extreme statements of some Trump supporters -- sometimes that are just intended as hyperbole -- and using that to claim that there is no possibility of cooperation on anything with anyone except those who think exactly as you do.

I keep thinking of the Pharisees that Jesus warned us about.  The one who stood praying, "I thank God that I am not as other men."

[Absalom]

Coup, schmoo and boo-hoo.........relentless hot air.
People get the governance they desire and deserve.
Expecting Trump, w/all his warts, to extricate us from
our malaise is embarrassingly dumb; as it's citizens who
have tolerated our malaise for many, many generations.
This world while real, is temporal, despite the pious
hopes and sanctimony of many.
While we are some 225 years on, several nation/states
have long exceeded this duration while making lasting
contributions to the legacy of Mankind, far surpassing ours.
If we do not survive, it will be of our own making and
unconscious impulse to fail.
We will simply be replaced by some one else, the record
of history.

[XenaLee]

I DO (and HAVE) given credit where it is due - But the end is still the same.
I will assert the hamstrung condition is by design.
You will get no wall. You will get no real immigration controls. Mark my words.

Tax cuts are largely imagined at this point, simply shifting the entry point, with no curb (in fact increase) on spending... and increased costs due to tariffs.

Let me redirect. What came, REALLY, out of the tumultuous Bush administration?
when all his EOs were overturned, and directors were shown the door, What really was left us, long term?

The dire and debilitating effects of the Obamanation.  A nation at each others' throats, more divided than at any time in history.... and a country full of dumbed down socialist-wannabes clamoring for the rats to transform us into a banana republic cesspool.  That's what GWB, the globalist, got us.  All quite by design, mind you.

I agree that we were screwed and screwed good & plenty.  But I have to still have hope that we can pull out of it.  There are still plenty of good, decent, God-fearing people in this nation.  I have to have faith that they/we can save ourselves from the leftist demons.

[Emjay]

Coup, schmoo and boo-hoo.........relentless hot air.
People get the governance they desire and deserve.
Expecting Trump, w/all his warts, to extricate us from
our malaise is embarrassingly dumb; as it's citizens who
have tolerated our malaise for many, many generations.
This world while real, is temporal, despite the pious
hopes and sanctimony of many.
While we are some 225 years on, several nation/states
have long exceeded this duration while making lasting
contributions to the legacy of Mankind, far surpassing ours.
If we do not survive, it will be of our own making and
unconscious impulse to fail.
We will simply be replaced by some one else, the record
of history.

I hope you feel better after posting that screed @Absalom   Pontius Pilate would be proud.

[roamer_1]

The dire and debilitating effects of the Obamanation.  A nation at each others' throats, more divided than at any time in history.... and a country full of dumbed down socialist-wannabes clamoring for the rats to transform us into a banana republic cesspool.  That's what GWB, the globalist, got us.  All quite by design, mind you.

I agree that we were screwed and screwed good & plenty.  But I have to still have hope that we can pull out of it.  There are still plenty of good, decent, God-fearing people in this nation.  I have to have faith that they/we can save ourselves from the leftist demons.

Not if all y'all do is react to stimuli. I swear, critical thinking is gone.

Like in (the Judeo-Christian) religion, where the principles are found Laws...
Those laws are true, and cannot be changed. Not one 'jot or tittle'. But one of the advantages in that is that those laws become a touchstone... A bellwether... A tattletale (in the true, sailing sense).

Those that try to add or take away from them are immediately WRONG. To follow them is disaster, guaranteed, and predicted by YHWH himself.

Likewise in Liberty.
The principles of Conservatism are the safeguard of liberty as we have known it. And like Torah is the bellwether in religion, so too the principles of Conservatism in politics, and indeed in way-of-life.

Those who suggest another way are also immediately wrong, and to follow them is certain doom.
You cannot add to truth.
And you cannot take away from it either.

[Absalom]

I hope you feel better after posting that screed @Absalom   Pontius Pilate would be proud.

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Since it's an opinion forum; yours is as good as anyone's.
So.................... who is to blame for our malaise??????

[Sanguine]

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Since it's an opinion forum; yours is as good as anyone's.
So.................... who is to blame for our malaise??????

Good question.  And, the answer is, those who seek to transform both our society and our government, and those who are in a position of power and let it happen.

[Emjay]

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Since it's an opinion forum; yours is as good as anyone's.
So.................... who is to blame for our malaise??????

Well, I personally do not feel a lot of malaise.  I feel optimism and hope.  I think we are on the right track and I think, with all her flaws, America is the greatest country ever.

I get disgusted at the left and at Hollywood and the media but it comforts me to know that they are in a more inchoate state of rage at Trump than anyone here could possibly be.

[libertybele]

Good question.  And, the answer is, those who seek to transform both our society and our government, and those who are in a position of power and let it happen.

Agreed.  I've always found it astonishing that 535 members of Congress watched Bammy attempt (and at times succeed) to dismantle this country, yet the majority of them sat with their thumbs up their behinds and did absolutely nothing.  Do they not realize that they are just as vulnerable as the rest of us?  They are pure fools to thinks that they would be exempt from the ramifications of overthrowing this government and global governance.

[Sanguine]

Agreed.  I've always found it astonishing that 535 members of Congress watched Bammy attempt (and at times succeed) to dismantle this country, yet the majority of them sat with their thumbs up their behinds and did absolutely nothing.  Do they not realize that they are just as vulnerable as the rest of us?  They are pure fools to thinks that they would be exempt from the ramifications of overthrowing this government and global governance.

If they think about it at all, they do think they are exempt.  They are the elite, and they've worked hard to get there.

[INVAR]

I've never said that, and a lot of people have never said that.  You are again taking the most extreme statements of some Trump supporters -- sometimes that are just intended as hyperbole -- and using that to claim that there is no possibility of cooperation on anything with anyone except those who think exactly as you do.

I'm done quantifying my position. 

It's not going to change. 

I have zero trust in the GOP or the Trump movement and they have made it very clear (well beyond a few simple cases of hyperbole) that they see me as every bit the enemy if not moreso than the Left.

So cooperation with that?  Fight alongside that?

No.

[Right_in_Virginia]

[corbe]

   That's exactly what the Kingfisher said in Louisiana circa 1932. 
   

[Right_in_Virginia]

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So.................... who is to blame for our malaise??????

What "malaise"????

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm done quantifying my position.  It's not going to change. 

I have zero trust in the GOP or the Trump movement and they have made it very clear (well beyond a few simple cases of hyperbole) that they see me as every bit the enemy if not moreso than the Left. So cooperation with that?  Fight alongside that?
No.

That's all good .... but why do try so hard hour after hour, day after day, year after year to convince others not to fight?

[corbe]

That's all good .... but why do try so hard hour after hour, day after day, year after year to convince others not to fight?

   

   @INVAR debates his position passionately, as most of us do here, including you, @Right_in_Virginia
    It doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon or even a Trumper to see that he doesn't care if anyone fights are not, the game is already over.

 

[libertybele]

 

[Mesaclone]

   

   @INVAR debates his position passionately, as most of us do here, including you, @Right_in_Virginia
    It doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon or even a Trumper to see that he doesn't care if anyone fights are not, the game is already over.

 

As a wise man once said:
He seems to really care...about what, I don’t know.