GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party

[jpsb]

Of course not.

So you will not mind when I laugh at you if and when you and yours become outraged or upset when Democrats in office lie.

After all, lying is not a felony and a person with a habit of doing so is to be trusted - if they make the right promises and are in the right party.

As one of your compatriots on this board has insisted, we should expect our rulers to lie to us - because it keeps us safe from ugly truths.

Democrats lie pretty much every time they open their mouths. One reason I detest Democrats.

[sneakypete]

You betcha.

While I am a willing slave to Christ and biblical morality - you sir are a slave to men, their lawlessness and debauchery.  You will have no liberty.

You will have freedom... for a time.  Until consequences make those chains you wear exceedingly uncomfortable.

@INVAR

See  how much you and Marx have in common? Not to mention Hitler? "There is freedom in obedience!",huh?

BTW,NOT the "Groucho" kind of Marx. The "Karl" kind.
 

[DB]

Democrats lie pretty much every time they open there mouths. One reason I detest Democrats.

The hypocrisy is amazing...

[INVAR]

Democrats lie pretty much every time they open there mouths. One reason I detest Democrats.

Then given the lack of standards that we are being told that we should embrace because we are not voting for priests of popes - would it not follow your logic that because morality and character is irrelevant in choosing your leaders, that we should vote for bigger liars and more egregious cretins because they are far more trustworthy?

Of course I realize that this only applies to Republicans, because we must unify around OUR scoundrel and liar.  However, we must ALWAYS rail against the Democrats who do the same thing (only better) than your party liars do.

[INVAR]

@INVAR
See  how much you and Marx have in common? Not to mention Hitler? "There is freedom in obedience!",huh?

Ah yes, all Christians are Marxists and Hitlers now.  Thanks for sharing.

[jpsb]

The hypocrisy is amazing...

Just to be fair I don't like Rs that lie either. McCain and W Bush being a prime examples. I do not see
Trump as anywhere near as big a liar as the McCains and Bushes. I've never been a fan of GOPe

[Axeslinger]

Just to be fair I don't like Rs that lie either. McCain and W Bush being a prime examples. I do not see
Trump as anywhere near as big a liar as the McCains and Bushes. I've never been a fan of GOPe

@jpsb
So it’s a matter of degrees?  Ok then.  Would you care to enlighten us as to what  is the threshold for how many lies is too many?

[jpsb]

Then given the lack of standards that we are being told that we should embrace because we are not voting for priests of popes - would it not follow your logic that because morality and character is irrelevant in choosing your leaders, that we should vote for bigger liars and more egregious cretins because they are far more trustworthy?

Of course I realize that this only applies to Republicans, because we must unify around OUR scoundrel and liar.  However, we must ALWAYS rail against the Democrats who do the same thing (only better) than your party liars do.

Well in my mind Hillary character was evil, Trump on the other hand is simply boorish at times. Just
about everyone that knows Trump says is the polite, personable and a gentleman. So maybe
you're mistaken about him. Anyway I voted Trump because to the policies he ran on. Most of
which I agree with and he has done everything he can to implement those polices so I an happy
I voted for him.

[jpsb]

@jpsb
So it’s a matter of degrees?  Ok then.  Would you care to enlighten us as to what  is the threshold for how many lies is too many?

When you lie to take the country to war I have a serious problem with you. Then it comes to lies it's
quality not quantity that counts.

[Axeslinger]

When you lie to take the country to war I have a serious problem with you. Then it comes to lies it's
quality not quantity that counts.

@jpsb

All other lies are on the table then?

[jpsb]

@jpsb

All other lies are on the table then?

When you lie about the size of your dick, how much money you have or how many women you've
bedded I don't give a shit. But if your lies adversely effect me or the county you've crossed a line.

[DB]

When you lie about the size of your dick, how much money you have or how many women you've
bedded I don't give a shit. But if your lies adversely effect me or the county you've crossed a line.

People who lie about "unimportant" things, things there was no need to lie about, will lie about important things too. Even more so. Lying just becomes a tactic in perusing their goals, big or small.

[roamer_1]

If Colombo had waited for your criteria of proof, he'd never have solved a single case.
There's quite sufficient evidence for every statement I made.

No @Quix , there's not. That's why all this is found on tinfoil-hat sites, and buried three layers deep on reddit, instead of on any sort of main-stream sites. And somewhere behind those quivering 'spidey-senses' of yours, you have to know that.

I am not asking for anything extraordinary. Just actionable proof. Like with anything else. And until there IS proof, why should I sign on, when there is nothing to do except running frantically hither and thither casting insults on people for not being true believers? What the hell is it that you want from me anyway?

And the brilliant irony of it all: You have known me a long time. And you know that outside of this episode, there is likely no one here that knows this stuff, and is more in alignment with your general position than I am. Who else here has torn down Satanic ritual sites? who else has broken their idols? Who else can find a witch's talisman in a church, and would even know what they are looking at?

Yet that is not enough for you, anymore.  If I don't fall in line behind your orange superhero, I am treated as a heretic - BY YOU, of all people. Your arrogance has made you blind. I am DONE with it. 

As will be made clear, in due course.

And IF it is made clear, THEN I will change my position, with good cause. And that with nothing lost.

I realize no amount of personal first person testimonies (whether 5, 8, 12 or a 100) matter a gnat's fart's worth to a lot of hyper-rationalist-laboratory-proof types.

Horsecrap. Pure and simple.  I don't believe there are bigfoot because of the gazillions of kook sites foisting 'facts'. I believe there are bigfoot because I have stuck my fingers in his track. That's all the proof I need, and I don't give a shit what anyone else believes. And that ain't nothin but proper.

Same dang thing here. Period. Normal, ordinary, actual PROOF. Sign on the ground. Till then, it's nothing more than fear porn.

[aligncare]

LOL! 

We got ourselves a 'real' Judge Roy Bean here, ladies and gentlemen.

To him, there is no law and order among killers and thieves liars and adulterers...or the people that vote for and support them.

@INVAR  ...You have a fierce need not to be wrong.  As evidenced by your penchant of responding to each sentence, you have to have the last word on anything/everything.

The video would show the President saying he loves puppies...and you'd post that he hates kittens.

That’s the best piece of armchair psychiatry I’ve heard in quite a time. Kudos 

[roamer_1]

And I must mention I am post #744 in a thread about Senator Sasse.  He must be interesting enough to generate that many posts and over 8,000 reads.  The thing about Sasse is you can be assured he isn't chasing conspiracy theory.  That he understands how evil government is and actually prays for change.  A person who will work within the confines of the Constitution of which he swore to uphold.

@Chosen Daughter
Ain't that the fact. And without all the drama and high intrigue... That's his problem I guess. Maybe he should get a spandex costume and wear a cape. Yeah... That's the ticket...

 

[aligncare]

When you lie about the size of your dick, how much money you have or how many women you've
bedded I don't give a shit. But if your lies adversely effect me or the county you've crossed a line.

Yeah, baby! That’s the nub of it all.

If the president ain’t breaking laws in office or reneging on promises he made to get my vote, who cares if his favorite restaurant is McDonald’s or Taco Bell’s.

[DB]

It is obvious that many Trump supporters, like the other team, don't care about lies. All that matters is who's ox is being gored by the lies. There are "good" lies and "bad" lies, the good lies damage the other team and the bad lies damage their team... So it only matters who has the "best" lies to score a "win"...

[Quix]

Well since it is claimed that Trump is leading some kind of Qanon in Gods name I must say I am instructed in the Bible to have righteous skepticism. 

Fitting skepticism is one thing.

Haughty, hostile, prissy, Pharisaical self-righteous-fierce-judgmentalism because another Christian doesn't meet your criteria of righteousness is something different.

It is enough for me that he has been under a high quality discipleship mentoring program for 10 years or so. And, I've seen his humility deepen even just in the last year or so.

This all started during the campaign with someone who claimed God had chosen Trump.  He caused the miracle of Trump to be elected. 

Uhhhh,

1. Mark Taylor began having prophetic things from The Lord about Trump a year or 2 before Trump ran. Kim Clement had similar messages from God several years before Trump ran. There is a smattering of other folks who had prophetic msgs from God about Trump's Presidency as many as 5, 10, 20 or more years ago.

The Bible says let a matter be established by 2-3 witnesses, IIRC.

I don't claim that Trump has been flawless in his public speaking etc. However, even on the issue of honesty--imho, he's several hundred percent more honest than the others in his role during my lifetime. Reagan might have been an exception, most of the time. Yet, Reagan was a globalist stooge, too. Not very honest, that.

Y'all seem to have assumed that your criteria of righteousness as you apply it to Trump is identical to God's criteria for Trump at this time. I don't see it that way.

I actually think you are more vulnerable to judgment from God for working against His anointing of Trump than Trump is vulnerable to judgment about his sloppy speaking habits.

I've never known a President to be so meticulous about keeping his campaign promises. No one else comes close. Even the next 5 closest combined would not match Trump on that score.

Some folks claim that Trump everything that Trump has said publicly has proven true. I don't know. I haven't checked such things out.

I just know his character; that he's a work in progress like all of us; that he has a heart for God (wants to be known as the most praying President) and a heart for the hurting, poor, marginal in society and a heart for The Republic. I know he gave up a lot for a thankless job with constant danger of being killed (at least 12 major assassination attempts so far--including a missile fired toward AF1).

I don't have any trouble giving him my full support. imho, anyone who doesn't give him their full support is working against what God is doing with him.

Compared with literal witch Shrillery, there is NO COMPARISON on morals or honesty etc. We elected a President, anyway--not a pure-as-the-driven-snow preacher--though I don't know any preachers like that, either.

Did he orchestrate Trumps lying about Cruz and his family?  Did God do that?  Did he instruct Trump to have Pecker run a story about Cruz and women?  Did he do that?  Did God have to have Trump lie to win the election?  Did he have Trump try to cover up his escapades with the women by paying them hush money?  God is dishonest and he was worried Trump couldn't win if he was honest?

I don't believe a lot of the noise about Trump's ancient history. Even if true, his earnestly working to walk every closer to God the last 10 years as attested to by those who have been praying weekly with him and helping disciple him are far more trustworthy and far more accurate about who Trump is currently.

If folks tacked you to your sins from earlier in your life--I gather you'd be delighted?

Does God direct Trump to tweet about his own appointments?  To say people are good when they are corrupt? (Manafort). 

I think you are pharisaic-ally arrogantly assuming a ton of stuff.

1. I think Trump prefers to take people at face value until they prove otherwise. You are assuming he knows everything about someone & their history. Nonsense.

2. I still pray for The Lord to bless him with more and more humility. Some of his trumpeting his own success etc. are earnest efforts to get folks on board against the treasonous DIMRATS. I would still prefer that others in the admin did that but I can accept Trump doing it without consigning him to hell for doing it.

I have been told that Trump and his Qanon government are going to make arrests and some scary stuff is going to unfold in the next few week, and to watch for it (without being anxious).  Makes me think of Nazi Germany.  Hitler talked about God a lot too.  If anything does happen it better be in line with Constitutional law.

God have mercy. May God speak to you very clearly about how off the rails you are on such scores. Your postings demonstrate to me you seem to have very little clue about the huge task Trump has taken on and the intensity of the evils involved.

But go ahead and throw rocks at him. We'll see how God responds to you regarding that habit.

[Quix]

LOL! 

We got ourselves a 'real' Judge Roy Bean here, ladies and gentlemen.

To him, there is no law and order among killers and thieves liars and adulterers...or the people that vote for and support them.

@INVAR  ...You have a fierce need not to be wrong.  As evidenced by your penchant of responding to each sentence, you have to have the last word on anything/everything.

The video would show the President saying he loves puppies...and you'd post that he hates kittens.

Great points, imho. Thanks.

[Quix]

THANKS for your rather reasonable points, imho.

So, what would you have us do @Sanguine ?  Throw away this successful Presidency?  Spend our time tearing down the POTUS instead of supporting and helping him?

History is replete with courageous leaders who are flawed men.  Another example that springs to mind is Benjamin Netanyahu.  Here is a man who has been championed as not only courageous, but the "true leader of the free world".  But if Israelis had followed the lead of so many here, he would have died a political death because he did not measure up to their principles and sense of morality.

Bibi, too, had three wives.  The first, Miriam, was his "soul mate".  They married and lived in the US while they were in school.  While she was pregnant with their daughter, he began an affair with a British woman, Fleur, living in MA and attending the same university--they met in the library.  Miriam found out, kicked his ass to the curb and took their daughter, Noa, back to Israel.

Bibi continued the affair with Fleur eventually bringing her to Israel where she converted to Judaism and they married.  Fleur was sent packing when Bibi realized voters were less than enthralled with his British, formerly Christian wife.

Bibi played the field, as they say.  He was dating several women including Ruth who has been described as an attractive, sophisticated woman working in political public relations.  Another was a flight attendant, Sara, he met on a flight to Israel.  Sara was the antithesis of Ruth and was on her way out when she became pregnant.

It took Sara more than six months and the threat of going public and damaging his political momentum for her to get Bibi under the Huppah.   Sara was home taking care of their toddler son when hell broke loose with the news that there was an "indelicate" video of Bibi and Ruth --- an affair he never ended. 

Bibi went in front of the cameras and gave his "I have sinned" speech, Sara stayed with him after extracting promises and arrangements whereby she essentially knew everything he was doing and would never, ever again let him out of her sight.  To this day she travels with him, even on day trips, attends his meetings, "reviews" his meeting schedules and reminds flight attendants that all questions to the PM are to come through her; not one of them is to speak directly to him.

Does any of Netanyahu's history change your opinion of him.   Or are you able to accept that he is a flawed soul doing great things for his nation?

[Quix]

No @Quix , there's not. That's why all this is found on tinfoil-hat sites, and buried three layers deep on reddit, instead of on any sort of main-stream sites. And somewhere behind those quivering 'spidey-senses' of yours, you have to know that.

I am not asking for anything extraordinary. Just actionable proof. Like with anything else. And until there IS proof, why should I sign on, when there is nothing to do except running frantically hither and thither casting insults on people for not being true believers? What the hell is it that you want from me anyway?

And the brilliant irony of it all: You have known me a long time. And you know that outside of this episode, there is likely no one here that knows this stuff, and is more in alignment with your general position than I am. Who else here has torn down Satanic ritual sites? who else has broken their idols? Who else can find a witch's talisman in a church, and would even know what they are looking at?

Yet that is not enough for you, anymore.  If I don't fall in line behind your orange superhero, I am treated as a heretic - BY YOU, of all people. Your arrogance has made you blind. I am DONE with it. 

And IF it is made clear, THEN I will change my position, with good cause. And that with nothing lost.

Horsecrap. Pure and simple.  I don't believe there are bigfoot because of the gazillions of kook sites foisting 'facts'. I believe there are bigfoot because I have stuck my fingers in his track. That's all the proof I need, and I don't give a shit what anyone else believes. And that ain't nothin but proper.

Same dang thing here. Period. Normal, ordinary, actual PROOF. Sign on the ground. Till then, it's nothing more than fear porn.

I think the crux of the differences between us on this issue is the significant differences in what constitutes reasonable proof. Your criteria is much more rigid, narrow, etc. than mine.

Somehow over the years, I've distilled some capacity to filter massive amounts of information and glean some trends, plausibilities, probabilities and even some likely certainties with above average success, reliability.

Your make-up and background have conditioned you to a very different criteria of proof. I don't consider you evil for that. I wouldn't even say you are totally blind because of that. I would say you are missing a lot, discounting a lot etc.

BTW, I don't tend to toss particularly closer friends aside merely because they don't measure up to my standard of righteousness. I give my friends the freedom to be themselves, flaws and all.

I do NOT expect you to agree with me about Trump and I wouldn't reject you for disagreeing. I just reserve the right to voice my disagreements. I have always appreciated the areas of agreement we have shared above average. I still do.

Sometimes you do seem to be overly thin-skinned & prickly but I still accept you as you are.

[DCPatriot]

Quote from: jpsb on Today at 04:13:42 PM

    When you lie about the size of your bleep, how much money you have or how many women you've
    bedded I don't give a bleep. But if your lies adversely effect [sic]me or the county you've crossed a line.

Yeah, baby! That’s the nub of it all.

If the president ain’t breaking laws in office or reneging on promises he made to get my vote, who cares if his favorite restaurant is McDonald’s or Taco Bell’s.

I saw what you did there..... 

[INVAR]

People who lie about "unimportant" things, things there was no need to lie about, will lie about important things too. Even more so. Lying just becomes a tactic in perusing their goals, big or small.

Apparently to a whole lot of Christians, these words of Jesus no longer applies:

"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whomever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." - Luke 16:10

Illustrates how far both Conservatism and Christianity has fallen in this country.

[roamer_1]

Apparently to a whole lot of Christians, these words of Jesus no longer applies:

"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whomever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." - Luke 16:10

Illustrates how far both Conservatism and Christianity has fallen in this country.

Pro 12:5  The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit. 

[roamer_1]

BTW, I don't tend to toss particularly closer friends aside merely because they don't measure up to my standard of righteousness. I give my friends the freedom to be themselves, flaws and all.

The hell you say. What you have done to your BROTHERS right on this thread is unconscionable, and not uncommon since you have ventured into this subject. Read your own damn words and see how much projecting is going on.

Like I said, I AM DONE.
@Quix  and @the_doc  both.

Call me when all this crap finally resolves and maybe we can reconcile somehow. Otherwise, Leave me the hell alone.

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