Author Topic: Trump: 'We As a Country Cannot Tolerate Political Censorship, Blacklisting, and Rigged Search Result (Read 2022 times)

DCPatriot · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:27:53 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on August 31, 2018, 05:20:14 pm

Let me know when you are fully informed about regulated public utilities, ports, railroads, highways, water resources, history of oil industry breakup, history of financial market breakups.

Regulation is a dirty word for a political purist.

But we get clean water, thanks to some regulation.

The internet today, run by Big Tech Socials, is not a capitalist's free market.

A free, open, fair internet will be viewed as a basic right like clean water.

The entire world, and the entire economy, is not just as seen through he eyes of an MBA.

It is NOT a Trump issue, topic.

Hear! Hear!

Bottom line is that for a FOXNEWS/OAN or other Conservative cable network's POV on your search should appear on the 1st page.

It shouldn't be 9 pages of links from a left-wing POV all parroting the same words and take on issues.

THAT is the epitome of censorship...especially with the fact that FOXNEWS has more prime time viewers than all others combined.

...it's not like I'm pushing to have a King James Bible in every hotel room...for chrissake.

ABX · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:27:57 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on August 31, 2018, 05:20:14 pm

Let me know when you are fully informed about regulated public utilities, ports, railroads, highways, water resources, history of oil industry breakup, history of financial market breakups.

Regulation is a dirty word for a political purist.

But we get clean water, thanks to some regulation.

The internet today, run by Big Tech Socials, is not a capitalist's free market.

A free, open, fair internet will be viewed as a basic right like clean water.

The entire world, and the entire economy, is not just as seen through he eyes of an MBA.

It is NOT a Trump issue, topic.

1. these are not public utilities
2. we are not talking about the internet in general but business 'storefronts'* on the internet. Facebook, Google, YouTube are not 'the internet', they are storefronts on the internet just like this website or any other is.
3. having the internet is not a 'basic right' and certainly, controlling what shop fronts on the internet carry is not a basic right
4. a right does not require the service of others, the internet is a service that requires businesses and industry to maintain channels and pathways, if you make it a 'right' you force those businesses to provide and maintain those channels to you at their own expense. It is no more a 'right' than health insurance is.
5. It is a Trump issue in that he is the President of the United States, who swore an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States, yet he is spitting on it with his demands of censorship

*in this case, they are storefronts of media and data

roamer_1 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:29:51 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 31, 2018, 05:27:53 pm

Hear! Hear!

Bottom line is that for a FOXNEWS/OAN or other Conservative cable network's POV on your search should appear on the 1st page.

It shouldn't be 9 pages of links from a left-wing POV all parroting the same words and take on issues.

THAT is the epitome of censorship...especially with the fact that FOXNEWS has more prime time viewers than all others combined.

...it's not like I'm pushing to have a King James Bible in every hotel room...for chrissake.

Then find a different search engine.

ABX · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:34:49 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 31, 2018, 05:27:53 pm

Hear! Hear!

Bottom line is that for a FOXNEWS/OAN or other Conservative cable network's POV on your search should appear on the 1st page.

It shouldn't be 9 pages of links from a left-wing POV all parroting the same words and take on issues.

THAT is the epitome of censorship...especially with the fact that FOXNEWS has more prime time viewers than all others combined.

...it's not like I'm pushing to have a King James Bible in every hotel room...for chrissake.

That's a perfect example of how people have been manipulated into outrage, falsely so.

I just did a Bing search on Trump- Fox was the very first result. You have options that don't make Fox 9 pages in (even Google had some Fox results on the first page).

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=trump&FORM=HDRSC6

The market already provides and gives you the exact service you ask for. It is none of the government's business to force any single search engine to promote or demote any news organization. That's their choice.

You mentioned Fox and OAN and your belief they 'should' be first (implying the government should regulate it so).

Well...

There are over 2 thousand daily newspapers in the US alone and well over a billion websites and blogs, millions upon millions of those purport to be 'news'. Why don't any of them and all of them get first page listing on Google? Why, in your mind, would Fox or OAN get priority over the millions of others? Shouldn't the search engine (a private business) have the right to choose, out of the millions and millions and millions of options, what they list on the first page?

GrouchoTex · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:39:51 pm »

America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
What this amounts to is affirmative action, a reverse fairness doctrine.
It would be as if we passed a law saying the Walmart and Target ads you get in your mailbox have to be only 4 pages long, 8-1/2 x 11", use the same font, same amount of product photographs, etc

roamer_1 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:41:01 pm »

And it should be mentioned that the pendulum swings. The more egregious the bias, the more people are disaffected... The more people that are disaffected, the more opportunity for an upstart to exploit the difference.

Folks forget a tiny little page called the Drudge Report, and it's stunning significance just a decade ago...
And another Giant called MySpace...

Something will come to fill the void. Unless of course, the government gets involved.

ABX · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:43:04 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis on August 31, 2018, 03:37:39 pm

Here is what can be done. Find some developers, put up a site that will compete against Facebook. How hard is that?

Almost very single one of the sites we are discussing, from Google to Facebook (Bing is an obvious exception but even their parent company started in a kid's garage) started in someone's garage or dorm room. They were started with very, very little capital and just someone's knowledge and desire to create something. There is not a barrier to someone creating the next big thing other than their own limitations. The internet is still the frontier with land and position to be staked out everywhere. It just takes the willingness to do so (and for God's sake, keeping the government's mitts out of it).

DCPatriot · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:43:07 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 31, 2018, 05:29:51 pm

Then find a different search engine.

I'm not 'worried' about me.

We are all political/current events junkies. It's part of our DNA.

I'm speaking of Joe Blow

The average person trying to get through the month doesn't pay attention to politics.

They are NOT going to find that "search engine" of which you speak. Google or bust.

I get 'hate Trump' news article bulletins on my Android daily

Said last year that they (Hollywood/Academia/MSM) were going to show us a "get out the vote" campaign to make a jaw drop.

That normally uninterested voter is going to want/need/believe they are part of something bigger.

...and only Donald J. Trump can fight that and win.

ABX · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:43:58 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 31, 2018, 05:41:01 pm

And it should be mentioned that the pendulum swings. The more egregious the bias, the more people are disaffected... The more people that are disaffected, the more opportunity for an upstart to exploit the difference.

Folks forget a tiny little page called the Drudge Report, and it's stunning significance just a decade ago...
And another Giant called MySpace...

Something will come to fill the void. Unless of course, the government gets involved.

Also This ^^^^

INVAR · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:47:29 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on August 31, 2018, 05:20:14 pm

But we get clean water, thanks to some regulation.

And clean air, and safe toys and energy efficient but crap appliances, plastic cars and free healthcare for all.

Right?

Quote from: truth_seeker on August 31, 2018, 05:20:14 pm

A free, open, fair internet will be viewed as a basic right like clean water.

And free healthcare and housing. And free food too, along with the basic right to a free internet.

So - what kind of monstrous bureaucracy are you going to make to be the gatekeepers to determine that your 'fairness doctrine' is faithfully implemented on the internet?

You know... to promote freedom and 'fairness'?????

Sometimes you people are like reading the same Communist Claptrap at the DU at times, I swear!

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:48:06 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on August 31, 2018, 05:20:14 pm

Let me know when you are fully informed about regulated public utilities, ports, railroads, highways, water resources, history of oil industry breakup, history of financial market breakups.

Regulation is a dirty word for a political purist.

But we get clean water, thanks to some regulation.

The internet today, run by Big Tech Socials, is not a capitalist's free market.

A free, open, fair internet will be viewed as a basic right like clean water.

The entire world, and the entire economy, is not just as seen through he eyes of an MBA.

It is NOT a Trump issue, topic.

I suppose you think the Airlines should be regulated again...

darroll · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:52:46 pm »

Reputations have gone out the window.

ABX · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:55:42 pm »

Kind of a side note.. I'm at a bit of a loss.....

What is the political philosophy where the state controls the corporate sector through hyper regulation, under the guise of nationalism?

It isn't socialism which controls and nationalizes the means of production (bottom up).. no, this is the top-down term...

hmmmm... drawing a blank...

INVAR · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:59:42 pm »

Quote from: AbaraXas on August 31, 2018, 05:55:42 pm

Kind of a side note.. I'm at a bit of a loss.....

What is the political philosophy where the state controls the corporate sector through hyper regulation, under the guise of nationalism?

It isn't socialism which controls and nationalizes the means of production (bottom up).. no, this is the top-down term...

hmmmm... drawing a blank...

Now now, we will be reprimanded for making that reference - which we noted the similarities in mindset some two years ago.

ABX · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2018, 06:01:30 pm »

Quote from: INVAR on August 31, 2018, 05:59:42 pm

Now now, we will be reprimanded for making that reference - which we noted the similarities in mindset some two years ago.

That's not the one I'm thinking of... ;)

No, this one was under people like Peron and Franco.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2018, 06:03:42 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 31, 2018, 05:43:07 pm

I'm not 'worried' about me.

We are all political/current events junkies. It's part of our DNA.

I'm speaking of Joe Blow

The average person trying to get through the month doesn't pay attention to politics.

They are NOT going to find that "search engine" of which you speak. Google or bust.

@DCPatriot
Hey. Try being a redneck on the internet. Try going to any of the various music outlets, and find a category listing for 'Country'. Half the time, there ain't even one there. Like it doesn't even exist. I know for a fact there are more country music listeners than Jazz listeners... you can find a Jazz category, but country goes wanting. And youtube... I listen to redneck stuff 99 times out of 100... WTF do I get hip-hop crap in my personal feed? I have to go looking for new music when it comes out... Youtube sure as hell ain't gonna let me know...

The point being that Joe Blow stuff ain't no better - They are getting shit shoved at them in every category that has nothing to do with their lives.

Why the hell am I getting 'personalized' commercials for feminine hygiene and traffic updates?

Quote

...and only Donald J. Trump can fight that and win.

Now you're just trying to piss me off, right?

ABX · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2018, 06:04:49 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 31, 2018, 06:03:42 pm

@DCPatriot
Hey. Try being a redneck on the internet. Try going to any of the various music outlets, and find a category listing for 'Country'. Half the time, there ain't even one there. Like it doesn't even exist. I know for a fact there are more country music listeners than Jazz listeners... you can find a Jazz category, but country goes wanting. And youtube... I listen to redneck stuff 99 times out of 100... WTF do I get hip-hop crap in my personal feed? I have to go looking for new music when it comes out... Youtube sure as hell ain't gonna let me know...

The point being that Joe Blow stuff ain't no better - They are getting shit shoved at them in every category that has nothing to do with their lives.

Why the hell am I getting 'personalized' commercials for feminine hygiene and traffic updates?

Now you're just trying to piss me off, right?

To be fair, 'Country' is pretty popular. 'Real Country' on the other hand is rare. These days it seems 'Country' is Justin Beiber in a cowboy hat.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2018, 06:13:59 pm »

Quote from: AbaraXas on August 31, 2018, 06:04:49 pm

To be fair, 'Country' is pretty popular. 'Real Country' on the other hand is rare. These days it seems 'Country' is Justin Beiber in a cowboy hat.

Don't matter... At least they could serve me up some danged ol Georgia Florida Line if they won't give me Waylon or even Zac Brown... No. I get hip hop.

Same with news and style... I never get farm almanac stuff in the news... no Hunter's updates...
Why do I get ads for fancy city crap instead of Big R or DEI or John Damn Deere? Why are they trying to sell me metrosexual style? I need ads for flannel shirts and wranglers... Levis even.

Nope.

INVAR · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2018, 06:14:41 pm »

Quote from: AbaraXas on August 31, 2018, 06:01:30 pm

That's not the one I'm thinking of... ;)

No, this one was under people like Peron and Franco.

Same thing, different seasonings and flavor.

darroll · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2018, 11:24:36 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 31, 2018, 06:13:59 pm

Don't matter... At least they could serve me up some danged ol Georgia Florida Line if they won't give me Waylon or even Zac Brown... No. I get hip hop.

Nope.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rainy+day+woman+song&view=detail&mid=171AF087271DF0E6885D171AF087271DF0E6885D&FORM=VIRE
Here you go buddy

roamer_1 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2018, 12:02:35 am »

Quote from: darroll on August 31, 2018, 11:24:36 pm

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rainy+day+woman+song&view=detail&mid=171AF087271DF0E6885D171AF087271DF0E6885D&FORM=VIRE
Here you go buddy

That's the stuff!

truth_seeker · « **Reply #46 on:** September 01, 2018, 03:24:36 am »

I'm thrilled to learn the Senate's leading Constitutional attorney, shares my concerns.

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libertybele · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2018, 12:01:42 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on September 01, 2018, 03:24:36 am

I'm thrilled to learn the Senate's leading Constitutional attorney, shares my concerns.

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Go Ted! It truly amazes me, that some people don't see the value in this man as a U.S. Senator!

darroll · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2018, 05:51:03 pm »

Oh Jucky's nose is beginning to grow. (Facebook hot dog)
They censored me after a girl cussed me out and I called her Chick.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2018, 09:59:55 pm »

Quote from: Emjay on August 31, 2018, 04:40:54 pm

The press has a lot of freedoms granted under the Constitution. Do their rights extend to printing false stories? Not sure. NBC and CNN have been proven to have done that just recently.

Apparently, the people are censoring those outlets by refusing to watch CNN at all. Only family members are watching now.

It's a tricky thing.

There would lots of publications shut down if there was truth police. Satire news publication, National Enquirer, and Trumps favorite Pecker publication that printed those false stories on Cruz and his Dad........Even FOX New I am sure has told some hummers possibly even thinking they were reporting true. The public is responsible to determine what they believe is true.

Fox News Analyst Quits, Calling Network a â€˜Propaganda Machineâ€™

A longtime analyst for Fox News is leaving the network, saying that he could not â€œin good conscienceâ€ remain with an organization that, he argued, â€œis now wittingly harming our system of government for profit.â€

In a searing farewell note sent to colleagues on Tuesday, Ralph Peters, a Fox News strategic analyst and a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Army, castigated the network for its coverage of President Trump and the rhetoric of its prime-time hosts.

â€œIn my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration,â€ Colonel Peters wrote in his message, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times.

â€œOver my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association,â€ he added. â€œNow I am ashamed.â€

Without citing them by name, Colonel Peters, 65, wrote that Fox Newsâ€™s prime-time anchors â€œdismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the F.B.I., the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller.â€...........

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/business/media/fox-news-analyst-ralph-peters.html

Over a decade with FOX News.