Author Topic: 'We are not making sufficient progress': Trump directs Pompeo to cancel North Korea trip (Read 9818 times)

skeeter · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2018, 09:57:48 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 09:57:05 pm

Open my mind. Tell me how "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" strengthens the US negotiating position.

I can only repeat myself.

DB · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:00:28 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 09:54:42 pm

My answer wasn't so much for you as it was for any other person watching who might be in possession of something approaching an open mind.

But for you: do you REALLY believe Trump thought he could get away with this "lie" and fool the world into believing Kim was nuke free?

Trump lies often for no reason. It gets him into all sorts of trouble. It's like a carnival barker trying to make the short term sale. It's expiration date is in minutes. I can't explain Trump's "thinking". His claim here inexplicable in any real terms.

skeeter · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:01:08 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 10:00:28 pm

Trump lies often for no reason. It gets him into all sorts of trouble. It's like a carnival barker trying to make the short term sale. It's expiration date is in minutes. I can't explain Trump's "thinking". His claim here inexplicable in any real terms.

"I can't explain".

Thanks

DB · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:02:10 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 09:57:48 pm

I can only repeat myself.

Okay, I missed it the first time then. Point to where you explained how that strengthened the US's negotiating position. Or is it just a matter of faith?

skeeter · « **Reply #29 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:04:09 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 10:02:10 pm

Okay, I missed it the first time then. Point to where you explained how that strengthened the US's negotiating position. Or is it just a matter of faith?

If your question is a sincere one re-read post 17.

DB · « **Reply #30 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:04:50 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 10:01:08 pm

"I can't explain".

Thanks

So I take it your explanation is Trump really believed the nuclear threat was over when he said that. Is that your position? Because it wasn't a negotiating position that you've provided any explanation for.

DB · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:08:57 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 10:04:09 pm

If your question is a sincere one re-read post 17.

Got it. So that was pressure for NK to deliver. Hmm... That's pretty thin while on the other side of that equation it takes pressure off because our side is saying the problem is solved.

skeeter · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:15:51 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 10:08:57 pm

Got it. So that was pressure for NK to deliver. Hmm... That's pretty thin while on the other side of that equation it takes pressure off because our side is saying the problem is solved.

I believe its ludicrous to claim Trump thought he could successfully pull off such a lie, and that he must've had another motive for saying these things.

On the other hand you believe that, yes, Trump did think he could fool the world into believing the Norks were now nuke free thanks to him (even though that would imply a secret pact - a conspiracy - between Trump and Kim). He thought he could claim victory, wash his hands of the entire situation, and move right on to the next whopper. Because "who knows why Trump lies?"

Why don't we just agree to disagree and get on with our weekends?

DB · « **Reply #33 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:27:12 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 10:15:51 pm

I believe its ludicrous to claim Trump thought he could successfully pull off such a lie, and that he must've had another motive for saying these things.

On the other hand you believe that, yes, Trump did think he could fool the world into believing the Norks were now nuke free thanks to him (even though that would imply a secret pact - a conspiracy - between Trump and Kim). He thought he could claim victory, wash his hands of the entire situation, and move right on to the next whopper. Because "who knows why Trump lies?"

Why don't we just agree to disagree and get on with our weekends?

Well... Either it was a lie or foolish wishful thinking. It wasn't true either way.

Seriously, have a good weekend!

skeeter · « **Reply #34 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:31:43 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 10:27:12 pm

Well... Either it was a lie or foolish wishful thinking. It wasn't true either way.

Seriously, have a good weekend!

Same to you. Its under 90 degrees around here (for a change) so maybe I can get some yard work done!

INVAR · « **Reply #35 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:32:55 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 10:15:51 pm

I believe its ludicrous to claim Trump thought he could successfully pull off such a lie, and that he must've had another motive for saying these things.

Unless he is a congenital liar, that many have attested to - so he lies for the sake of lying to get the accolades and reactions he seeks.

Did Trump tweet those words: "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" or not?

Were they true, or not?

To assert that tweet 'strengthened our negotiating position' - is absurd on it's face now that Trump tells Pompeo to cancel. We have been made fools of, again and Trump took the bait and made us look even more egregiously stupid.

DB · « **Reply #36 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:33:11 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 10:31:43 pm

Same to you. Its under 90 degrees around here (for a change) so maybe I can get some yard work done!

97 here... And apparently that's cool... I'm new to the area...

skeeter · « **Reply #37 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:44:28 pm »

Quote from: DB on August 24, 2018, 10:33:11 pm

97 here... And apparently that's cool... I'm new to the area...

Nein Danke!

roamer_1 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:48:02 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 09:54:42 pm

But for you: do you REALLY believe Trump thought he could get away with this "lie" and fool the world into believing Kim was nuke free?

All he needed out of the statement was a victory lap, which his adoring fans freely gave him, with a heaping side-order of accolades.

skeeter · « **Reply #39 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:03:54 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 24, 2018, 10:48:02 pm

All he needed out of the statement was a victory lap, which his adoring fans freely gave him, with a heaping side-order of accolades.

Ridiculously simplistic. I'll pass.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:07:00 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 11:03:54 pm

Ridiculously simplistic. I'll pass.

Look at how he does things... It is repeated over and over.

DB · « **Reply #41 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:11:18 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on August 24, 2018, 11:03:54 pm

Ridiculously simplistic. I'll pass.

Often the simplest explanation is the correct one. Obviously not always. But the mind can come up with endless rationalizations of why something isn't what it looks like simply because it "must" be something more meaningful.

Fantom · « **Reply #42 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:50:42 pm »

Well, pretty much what President Trump said he would do. Hold their feet to the fire.

What do you folks want...nuclear war? Obama appeasement... tell me.... what would you do any different? If you really wanted a solution.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:53:48 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 24, 2018, 10:48:02 pm

All he needed out of the statement was a victory lap, which his adoring fans freely gave him, with a heaping side-order of accolades.

Sadly his fans have to suffer another case of "Premature Adulation"

DB · « **Reply #44 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:02:15 am »

Quote from: Fantom on August 24, 2018, 11:50:42 pm

Well, pretty much what President Trump said he would do. Hold their feet to the fire.

What do you folks want...nuclear war? Obama appeasement... tell me.... what would you do any different? If you really wanted a solution.

What does that have to do with "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" someone said not long ago?

And are the only choices "nuclear war" or "Obama's appeasement"?

Perhaps there some other options.

And Trump not understating/overstating or lying about what's going on would be helpful. Trump made a lot of noise about taking care of NK when he first entered office. He made it sound like he had a plan and that NK would finally be resolved. I actually thought he might... Not so much anymore.

INVAR · « **Reply #45 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:04:40 am »

Quote from: Fantom on August 24, 2018, 11:50:42 pm

What do you folks want...nuclear war? Obama appeasement...

How can there be any of that when Trump stated plainly for the entire world that "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea"?????

Did you forget?

There is no longer a threat.

So how can there be nuclear war or appeasement of a nuclear madman?

Wingnut · « **Reply #46 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:08:05 am »

Quote from: INVAR on August 25, 2018, 12:04:40 am

How can there be any of that when Trump stated plainly for the entire world that "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea"?????

Did you forget?

There is no longer a threat.

So how can there be nuclear war or appeasement of a nuclear madman?

Blah blah blah. You are a broken GD record.

Fantom · « **Reply #47 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:17:58 am »

Quote from: INVAR on August 25, 2018, 12:04:40 am

How can there be any of that when Trump stated plainly for the entire world that "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea"?????

Did you forget?

There is no longer a threat.

So how can there be nuclear war or appeasement of a nuclear madman?

Silly boy, I do like your avatar... I had a son with that same underwear.... course he was five.

Now, instead of childish hate, maybe you could give us how you would do it. How would you stop missiles flying all over from NK? How would you stop NK from exploding nukes? How would you stop Hawaiians from doing the "Duck and cover"?

Oh yes... you did not stop that....President Trump did.

Now tell me @INVAR . What would you do that is better?

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #48 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:37:47 am »

Quote from: Fantom on August 24, 2018, 11:50:42 pm

Well, pretty much what President Trump said he would do. Hold their feet to the fire.

What do you folks want...nuclear war? Obama appeasement... tell me.... what would you do any different? If you really wanted a solution.

There it is, the binary logic of an ardent Trump supporter. Similar to the phrase, "if you didn't vote for Trump, you obviously wanted Hillary in the White House."

INVAR · « **Reply #49 on:** August 25, 2018, 12:50:02 am »

Quote from: Fantom on August 25, 2018, 12:17:58 am

Silly boy, I do like your avatar... I had a son with that same underwear.... course he was five.

Your son goes to sleep in and walks around in nanban dos gusoku?? That's talent! I end up overheated in it after about 45 minutes, but then iado forms and kenjustsu is indeed a great cardio workout.

Quote from: Fantom on August 25, 2018, 12:17:58 am

Now, instead of childish hate, maybe you could give us how you would do it.

This subject has ZERO to do with whatever you or I might imagine doing. Neither of us are president and neither of us are going be president.

This is about what Trump, YOUR PRESIDENT said to the entire world.

Here let me repost it for you in case you missed what he tweeted:

The pertinent portion is this:

"There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea".

Your president made that statement as a fact.

How you or I would stop a maniacal regime from using the nukes they have made is irrelevant. I am making an issue of what your president said to the world.

Quote from: Fantom on August 25, 2018, 12:17:58 am

Oh yes... you did not stop that....President Trump did.

Did he now? Is this why he just said 'We are not making sufficient progress" and cancels Pompeo's trip to supposedly hammer out the disarmament deal you pretend he made?