With Cohen Implicating Trump, a Presidency’s Fate Rests With Congress

[mystery-ak]

By Nicholas Fandos and Jonathan Martin

    Aug. 22, 2018

WASHINGTON — As he pleaded guilty in a Manhattan courthouse on Tuesday to violating federal campaign finance laws, Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime fixer, put his future in the hands of the American legal system.

But the fate of Mr. Trump, the man who Mr. Cohen said directed him to break the law by making payments to a pornographic film actress and a former Playboy model, rests, in all likelihood, in the political arena and in the halls of Congress.

At least for now, the Republican Party continues to stand by the president. But with only weeks until the midterm elections, the question will soon be put before voters, who will decide whether to hand Congress — and the power of investigation, subpoenas and, possibly, impeachment — to the Democrats.

After Mr. Cohen’s pleas and a guilty verdict, minutes later, in the bank and tax fraud case against Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, Democrats wasted no time in demanding a congressional investigation into the Cohen affair and warned of an increasingly dangerous threat to the rule of law.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/trump-cohen-impeachment.html

[Chosen Daughter]

Like a big zit coming to the surface.  I can't say that anyone should have believed that he would come out unscathed.  And we should have known that it would affect the whole party.  The question is how much?

[skeeter]

So a confidentiality agreement, common among celebrities, now becomes becomes an illegal campaign donation. A bit of a stretch but what the heck - the democrat/media complex are used to twisting reality into something unrecognizable.

[musiclady]

So a confidentiality agreement, common among celebrities, now becomes becomes an illegal campaign donation. A bit of a stretch but what the heck - the democrat/media complex are used to twisting reality into something unrecognizable.

Seems to me that Cohen's words are doing more damage than reporting them is.

Unless you think he's part of the Democrat/media complex?

[sneakypete]

By Nicholas Fandos and Jonathan Martin

    Aug. 22, 2018

WASHINGTON — As he pleaded guilty in a Manhattan courthouse on Tuesday to violating federal campaign finance laws, Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime fixer, put his future in the hands of the American legal system.

But the fate of Mr. Trump, the man who Mr. Cohen said directed him to break the law by making payments to a pornographic film actress and a former Playboy model, rests, in all likelihood, in the political arena and in the halls of Congress.

At least for now, the Republican Party continues to stand by the president. But with only weeks until the midterm elections, the question will soon be put before voters, who will decide whether to hand Congress — and the power of investigation, subpoenas and, possibly, impeachment — to the Democrats.

After Mr. Cohen’s pleas and a guilty verdict, minutes later, in the bank and tax fraud case against Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, Democrats wasted no time in demanding a congressional investigation into the Cohen affair and warned of an increasingly dangerous threat to the rule of law.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/trump-cohen-impeachment.html

Gee,which are we to believe?

A: The DNC and members of the Dim Party are so outraged over a married man having consensual sex with a hooker that they just can't live with the thought of that man sitting in the White House. Especially the Clinton backers.

B: The whole damn thing is a political sham perpetuated solely to try to get back an election the Dims lost because their candidate sucked all the air off the planet?

[sneakypete]

Like a big zit coming to the surface.  I can't say that anyone should have believed that he would come out unscathed.  And we should have known that it would affect the whole party.  The question is how much?

@Chosen Daughter

Depends on how shrill the demented Bible Thumpers get over this. Chances are they will get so steamed they will demand Trump be removed from office so that Saintly woman Hillary Clinton can take her rightful place there.

I bet this gets you as giddy as a schoolgirl,doesn't it?

Know anyone like that?

[sneakypete]

So a confidentiality agreement, common among celebrities, now becomes becomes an illegal campaign donation. A bit of a stretch but what the heck - the democrat/media complex are used to twisting reality into something unrecognizable.

@skeeter

And with their moral midget allies in the alleged Republican Party,it might just work. If nothing else it will put a stop to Trump getting any legislation passed,and that will make them all happy because they they will be able to justify this to themselves as something that needed to be done because it was "GAWDS WILL".

[corbe]

Like a big zit coming to the surface.  I can't say that anyone should have believed that he would come out unscathed.  And we should have known that it would affect the whole party.  The question is how much?

   Many of us here on TBR have been warning all along that the unscrupulous baggage of this Man would rise to the surface and destroy all that was associated with him, including what was left of the GOP (Guilty or Pleaded).  He made sure his life was an open book and some of us actually took the time to read it AND understood what it meant, others just turned a blind eye and MAGA'd on and here we are, at least it's entertaining.

[musiclady]

   Many of us here on TBR have been warning all along that the unscrupulous baggage of this Man would rise to the surface and destroy all that was associated with him, including what was left of the GOP (Guilty or Pleaded).  He made sure his life was an open book and some of us actually took the time to read it AND understood what it meant, others just turned a blind eye and MAGA'd on and here we are, at least it's entertaining.

That’s the tragedy of all of this.

The truth of who this man is was out there for all to see (in his own words) and the dim witted Republican Party chose to ignore it for populist promises.

[Timothy Dennis]

Can the "Big Case, "The Earth-Shattering Event" against Trump that the Dems are "Trumping" up be any flimsier? Can Trump's "sins against humanity" on the scale of Hitler's atrocities, according to the liberal media, be anymore egregious? My God.

[skeeter]

Can the "Big Case, "The Earth-Shattering Event" against Trump that the Dems are "Trumping" up be any flimsier? Can Trump's "sins against humanity" on the scale of Hitler's atrocities, according to the liberal media, be anymore egregious? My God.

Obviously its more fabricated bullsh*t concocted by the stae/media complex meant only as a means to create breathless albeit vapid reportage for the consumption of the less informed.

Tedious doesn't begin to describe it.

[Emjay]

Like a big zit coming to the surface.  I can't say that anyone should have believed that he would come out unscathed.  And we should have known that it would affect the whole party.  The question is how much?

@Chosen Daughter   Ugh on your analogy.

Trump is not 'scathed.'  The laws you think he broke were not laws but rules ... rules made by Congress regarding elections.

Trump has always been a rich dude who was attracted to good looking women who were attracted to his money.  Whores have always expected to be paid.

I know you and others are salivating for something to harm Trump but you'll have to wait a little longer for it.

[musiclady]

@Chosen Daughter   Ugh on your analogy.

Trump is not 'scathed.'  The laws you think he broke were not laws but rules ... rules made by Congress regarding elections.

Trump has always been a rich dude who was attracted to good looking women who were attracted to his money.  Whores have always expected to be paid.

I know you and others are salivating for something to harm Trump but you'll have to wait a little longer for it.

A man who sleeps with a "whore" is equally culpable in the offense, whether wealthy or not.

[Emjay]

   Many of us here on TBR have been warning all along that the unscrupulous baggage of this Man would rise to the surface and destroy all that was associated with him, including what was left of the GOP (Guilty or Pleaded).  He made sure his life was an open book and some of us actually took the time to read it AND understood what it meant, others just turned a blind eye and MAGA'd on and here we are, at least it's entertaining.

I'm disappointed in you @corbe   So self-righteous and hypocritical. 

We all knew various things about Trump, some of which were things we didn't approve of.

But at least he didn't rape anybody and he paid for the services he got.

As far as I know, he's been pretty fair and faithful to his wives and has only strayed between wives.  But I don't know that.

As you point out, everything was known about Trump prior to the election.  We didn't elect a Pope, although the current one is no great shakes.

Gloating coming from you is not becoming.

[Emjay]

A man who sleeps with a "whore" is equally culpable in the offense, whether wealthy or not.

Well, wealth does enter into it because as Fred Sanford said to the ladies, "Are you ladies free tonight?" and they replied "We're not free, but we're reasonable."

[Wingnut]

Man the histrionics are strong in this thread.

[Emjay]

Man the histrionics are strong in this thread.

Yep!  One would think that Trump had been nominated for sainthood prior to this (non) revelation.

[GrouchoTex]

I've said this in another forum, but I think it bears repeating.
Does what we know (so far) rise to the level off impeachment?
No.
Nixon and Clinton won re-election, in spite of the things that were coming out about them during there campaigns for their 2nd terms.
Trump may do the same.
In both cases, each had a cloud over their second terms and neither could get much of their remaining agendas passed.

That Blue wave seemed to have stalled, but now I am not so sure it won't pick up steam again.
Look for no wall or O-care repeal if this happens, among a lot of other things I don't want to talk about.
We may have our first democrat senator since Lloyd Bentsen, and I am not too happy about that.
Feel how you will about Ted Cruz, but he been a good senator for our state.

This part a lot of you will not like, but here it comes:

I would have never wanted a Clinton elected, not again, ever, but we may have been screwed over either way this turned out.
Trump's election to be the POTUS may have only slowed the inevitable result.

[240B]

Trump was fighting...

The Clinton Crime Syndicate
Almost the entire Global Media Establishment which march in lock step
The Republican Establishment
The Democrat Establishment
The entire Entertainment Industry
The CIA, FBI, IRS, and all the other alphabet government departments
The entire American Government Bureaucracy
The George Soros Empire
The entire Global Tech Industry Billionaires

And...and...and...this is the important part...
HE WON!

This made them lose their minds. He must have cheated somehow!!!!!!
These are not people who can stand to be 'disrespected'! He made fools of them

So they gathered up all their force and power together to bring him down, by any means necessary, even if they have to tear down the entire American Government to do it. They don't care about naive ideas like 'the good of the nation' or 'the will of the people'. Don't give me that crap. They don't care about doing something for the good of America or the American people. The only single thing they care about is themselves and their own selfish power. And they will doing anything to save themselves by maintaining the status quo. By any means necessary.

Trump has done some really stupid things, unforced errors. But to say that anything Trump has done in office deserves the onslaught against him is ridiculous. They are not doing it because Trump is bad for America. They are doing it solely because Trump is bad for them.

[skeeter]

Trump's election to be the POTUS may have only slowed the inevitable result.

Assuming everything else you've written is true, then it still would've been worth electing him.

Who knows - maybe the time his election bought us may end up being just what was needed.

[GrouchoTex]

Assuming everything else you've written is true, then it still would've been worth electing him.

Who knows - maybe the time his election bought us may end up being just what was needed.

I did put the word "may" in my statement, and I'll be quite happy if I am wrong.

[Fishrrman]

Consider the source of this article. (I checked as soon as I read the title)
No need to read further.

[roamer_1]

I've said this in another forum, but I think it bears repeating.
Does what we know (so far) rise to the level off impeachment?
No.

Not exactly true @GrouchoTex
The actions may have taken place during the campaign, but he lied about those actions as president. Thus the coverup extends the collusion and corruption into the presidency.

Would I have him impeached? No. But that is incidental to the fact.
The grounds are there, and the appetite is there, caused largely by his own actions.

And in fact, it is also immaterial if this is what finally cuts him down or not - They will keep digging and they will keep trying, and whichever whatever it is, I will almost guarantee that what finally brings him down is lying about it during the impeachment trial.

I have said for a long time that he is indefensible. I think people don't understand what I mean.

We may have our first democrat senator since Lloyd Bentsen, and I am not too happy about that.
Feel how you will about Ted Cruz, but he been a good senator for our state.

If that is true, you can hang the blame for it right on the scandalous lies about him told during the election... And we all know where that came from.

But, as a consolation, If Tump is impeached, and Pence ascends, Cruz may be too busy being Vice President :)

All that being said, I refuse to believe that Texas is dumb enough to believe all that slander against Cruz. I really do. I think a lot of what is going around is propaganda, and Cruz walks with it, as he should.

This part a lot of you will not like, but here it comes:

I would have never wanted a Clinton elected, not again, ever, but we may have been screwed over either way this turned out.
Trump's election to be the POTUS may have only slowed the inevitable result.

YEP. Nothing, nothing at all, will stop this train, hurtling into oblivion, except Conservative principles being applied at every level. Liberty is only given to a moral and just people.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter

Depends on how shrill the demented Bible Thumpers get over this. Chances are they will get so steamed they will demand Trump be removed from office so that Saintly woman Hillary Clinton can take her rightful place there.

I bet this gets you as giddy as a schoolgirl,doesn't it?

Know anyone like that?

You couldn't be any more wrong.  Bible thumpers like Jerrry Falwell Jr and Paula White are sticking to Trump like glue.  Jerry is blaming Sessions.  I saw it on his twitter.

I am a self thinker.  I am not giddy over anything.  Not surprised either that people, and even Christians do not see anything wrong with corruption.  Bank Fraud, tax evasion.......

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter   Ugh on your analogy.

Trump is not 'scathed.'  The laws you think he broke were not laws but rules ... rules made by Congress regarding elections.

Trump has always been a rich dude who was attracted to good looking women who were attracted to his money.  Whores have always expected to be paid.

I know you and others are salivating for something to harm Trump but you'll have to wait a little longer for it.

What a drama queen you are.  I thought you were going to put me on ignore.

I thought it was disgusting to have Clinton in office because of his attraction to women.  Slick willy, slime ball Trump.  Not the kind of people who I believe should be President either of them.  BTW both of them friends of the Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.