BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS

[skeeter]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

[Bigun]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

  There is absolutely no doubt about it!

[corbe]

    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.

[Sanguine]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

@Bigun, remember I made myself fairly unpopular asking that question for a while after the election.  I don't believe I ever got a satisfactory answer either.  May be that there isn't one.

[INVAR]

...I find DB's reply completely non responsive to the question I asked.  I have never yet voted for Trump and refuse to reward anyone who does not do in office what they promised me they would while campaigning yet Donald Trump still IS the president.   What do you suggest I do DB? 

I would suggest you endure, same as you did when Obama was president.

As we go from bad, to worse to tolerable and then to the eventual unthinkable in terms leaders, all any of us can do is to prepare ourselves and our posterity for the consequences that will come and endure through them.

John Adams' letter to Abigail on July 7th 1775 is one that was prophetic and points to an unvarnished truth few to none will accept.

Enduring to the end with our faith intact is all that we can do now, because we are not a people capable of doing what will be necessary to restore what we have discarded and this culture wants what we used to be fundamentally opposed to.

[INVAR]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.

[skeeter]

I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

[Bigun]

    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.

@corbe

As long as we continue allowing the beltway bastards to tell us who is or isn't allowed to represent us in Congress there is no hope for us regardless of party labels.

[Bigun]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Since, by nature, I have to be doing something I guess I'll bail water.

[INVAR]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

[aligncare]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Best analogy I’ve heard. Sorta brings it home, don’t it?

[DB]

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

[Wingnut]

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

INVAR you are a little dinghy.

[INVAR]

INVAR you are a little dinghy.

Hell no.  I'm an aircraft carrier in the dinghy department.

But you knew that, so you can stop being generous.

[Sanguine]

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

[DB]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

That "weapon" is going to end up doing more long term damage to your own team than the opposing team you say you want to defeat.

You don't go pouring in more good resources towards a lost cause and call if "fighting". It is just more violent suicide.

[aligncare]

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

What does that even mean? Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of any logic that would lead one to make that statement.

[Sanguine]

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.

[edpc]

All of this was looked at years ago and no charge was filed.

Now, you know why.  Many of these crimes are very complex in nature, tedious to explain and boring as hell for the average juror.  Years ago, they wanted Manafort to go after Yanukovych.  Once he fled, it wasn’t worth the time or expense.  Now, they wanted him for what he may know about the TT meeting or anything else in the campaign.  Ellis knew this months ago and said so.  However, he demanded to see the redacted background work and saw something he felt justified moving forward with the trial.  Perhaps we’ll find out what that entailed in the near future.

[musiclady]

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

Isn't that where we're headed either way?  The Republican party is certainly not stopping us from going there.

[DB]

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.

[musiclady]

   Great posts all @musiclady


   There is hope for a third party in America, IMHO.  Discounting it's eventual demise at the hands of the GOP the Tea Party was a truly 'Grassroots' idea that made a significant impact for 2 election cycles.  It can be done again.

Perhaps it can.

But Trump's party is even more despicable than the EGOP that destroyed the Tea Party.

I've been an optimist my entire life, but I don't feel much of it any more.

Perhaps this can be solved, but perhaps not.

[musiclady]

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

The problem is that we now have a CinC whose idea of winning a war is avoiding an STD, and whose choice of weapons is tweeting like a 6 year old.

There's no one out there on "our side" who is willing to fight for us.

[musiclady]

The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.

Yep.

[DB]

If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.

That's why it so important to not repeat this mistake. There are real consequences. Trump bragged about buying politicians, doing married women of powerful men among many other things all before the primary. He's immoral and corrupt. He repeatedly lied to "win".

Now people are "shocked" his personal fixer lawyer did crooked stuff, as if it were just him that was the problem and the dirtbag. The lawyer did exactly what Trump paid him to do.