GOP senator: 'Real likelihood' Dems win the House 'by 10 or 12 more seats than they need'

[Victoria33]

Good Jesus. That is the biggest non sequitur I have ever read on this site in 2 years. A Senators dead parents makes him qualified to make pronouncements in elections he isn't involved in? This is the same jackass that thought the Gang of 8 agreement would boost the hell out of GOP enthusiasm when it destroyed the party for years.

@Frank Cannon

You took the Lord's name, Jesus, in vain, making it a swear word.  Swear/nasty words of yours in this post: "Jesus, jackass".

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I don't look at their wrists - maybe you do.

@Victoria33

I don't have to. Everything about them screams "homo".

You know this,and it's probably a large part of the reason you are attracted to them. You don't feel threatened by them.

You damn sure aren't attracted to them because they are conservatives.

I'm betting you used to get the vapors over Boy Jorge,too.

[XenaLee]

Sorry, but I don't see this "progress" you and so many Trump supporters mention.  My taxes didn't change under the tax tweak.  We still have an invasion of illegals and in spite of those government figures (which have been fudged under numerous presidential administrations for decades and are still being fudged), the economy isn't ay better.  And thanks to Trump and his temper tantrums, a/k/a trade wars, the sock market goes crazy, prices for the consumer go up and at least one company I know of has closed its doors.  Does that sound like a good economy to you?   

You are correct that 8 years of Obama rule cannot be undone overnight, but in 18 months of Republican rule in both houses of congress and the presidency,   I've seen little effort toward making progress.  That's because Republicans, despite their claims to the contrary, love Obamacare, love our present tax system, love having illegals and alleged refugees come into this country in droves.  They don't want anything to change.  And they will be ecstatic when the Democrats get back into power again.  The pressure to keep their promises will be off. 

I for one hope the midterms cause enough damage to the Republican Party that it will never recover.  Maybe then a more conservative, American values party will emerge from the ashes.

Nope.  I used to hope for that too, but now I see it is hopeLESS for there to be a successful 3rd party alternative.  It's too ingrained and embedded by now.  We're headed for a one-party system.... probably under the leftists.  Because too many people will just stay home and not vote against them.

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33
I don't have to. Everything about them screams "homo".
You know this,and it's probably a large part of the reason you are attracted to them. You don't feel threatened by them.
You damn sure aren't attracted to them because they are conservatives.
I'm betting you used to get the vapors over Boy Jorge,too.

@sneakypete

You brought it up, I didn't, therefore it must be you who is "threatened" by homos.  Do you feel sexually inadequate?  Perhaps you need to see a sex therapist.

[BassWrangler]

Lindsey Graham knows about this election - his advice is sound. He is a smart lawyer whose parents were killed when he was a teenager.  He and his sister lived with the grandparents and Lindsey worked a job to help the grandparents.  He sent himself to college, then sent his sister to college.  Those who cast stones at him, do not know him.

@Victoria33

Thanks for speaking up about this. Senator Graham gets a lot of flack, I think mostly because of his past alliance with McCain, some of it unfair. I don't always agree with him, but he's not a bad man and he is not an enemy of conservatives.

[Frank Cannon]

....and he is not an enemy of conservatives.

Gang of 8.

[skeeter]

@Victoria33

Thanks for speaking up about this. Senator Graham gets a lot of flack, I think mostly because of his past alliance with McCain, some of it unfair. I don't always agree with him, but he's not a bad man and he is not an enemy of conservatives.

He's a political opportunist. Which makes him no worse than most of those in congress, but certainly no better.

And his support of the illegal immigration racket might not make him an enemy, but it does make him a dire threat to the republic, IMHO.

I do appreciate that he's decided to be more or less supportive of the president lately. Which makes him a cut above anklebiters like Kasich.

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33
Thanks for speaking up about this. Senator Graham gets a lot of flack, I think mostly because of his past alliance with McCain, some of it unfair. I don't always agree with him, but he's not a bad man and he is not an enemy of conservatives.

@BassWrangler

I just added you to my buddy list because you are an independent thinker.  In judging congress people, it is good to know what they did before they got there.  Their past behavior tells one what their future behavior is likely to be.  Graham had no financial help to go to college and keep going to become a lawyer. 

"Before being elected to Congress, Graham compiled a distinguished record in the United States Air Force as he logged six-and-a-half years of service on active duty as an Air Force lawyer. From 1984-1988, he was assigned overseas and served at Rhein-Main Air Force Base in Germany. Upon leaving active duty Air Force in 1989, Graham joined the South Carolina Air National Guard where he served until 1995. During the first Gulf War in the early 90's, Graham was called to active duty and served state-side at McEntire Air National Guard Base as Staff Judge Advocate where he prepared members for deployment to the Gulf region.

In 1995, Graham joined the U.S. Air Force Reserves. During American military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, Graham put his experience in military law to use pulling numerous short-term Reserve duties in both countries over congressional breaks and holidays.

Graham retired from the Air Force Reserves in June 2015 having served his country in uniform for 33 years. He retired at the rank of Colonel.

A native South Carolinian, Graham grew up in a blue collar family in the small town of Central where his parents ran a restaurant and pool hall. The first member of his family to go to college, Graham earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of South Carolina. He lives in Seneca and is a member of Corinth Baptist Church."

[sneakypete]

He's a political opportunist. Which makes him no worse than most of those in congress, but certainly no better.

And his support of the illegal immigration racket might not make him an enemy, but it does make him a dire threat to the republic, IMHO.

I do appreciate that he's decided to be more or less supportive of the president lately. Which makes him a cut above anklebiters like Kasich.

@skeeter

Purely for self-interest. If he thought it would serve his career better to do so,he would throw Trump under a bus.

[INVAR]

And as for being lied to, get used to it.  Politicians lie.  They ALL do it.  It's called political capital to get them elected.  Being lied to by them is something I have almost gotten used to. 

So vote for the bigger liar?

I don't know how or why you can then trust anything they promise you to get your vote.  And if it is now accepted that being lied to is political capital, people will vote for the bigger, more egregious liar and miscreant of character as time goes on.  That's just human nature.  And of course scripture warns us that this is precisely what is going to happen.
Sad to watch it prophetically unfold before my eyes, because of what the consequences are going to be.

Nope.  I used to hope for that too, but now I see it is hopeLESS for there to be a successful 3rd party alternative.  It's too ingrained and embedded by now.  We're headed for a one-party system.... probably under the leftists.  Because too many people will just stay home and not vote against them.

Why should they be motivated to go out and vote for liars?  To BLOCK the worse liar and danger the Leftist candidate presents?

Sorry - after years of doing that and holding my nose and casting votes simply to keep the Democrat out of office - is not something I am going to allow myself to do ever again.

I'll vote FOR someone with a provable record and character that reveals they mean what they say and in whom I can trust that their word his honest, rather than accept the fact they are lying sacks of shit - but OUR lying sack of shit that we want in office because the other lying sack of shit is worse.

[libertybele]

So vote for the bigger liar?

I don't know how or why you can then trust anything they promise you to get your vote.  And if it is now accepted that being lied to is political capital, people will vote for the bigger, more egregious liar and miscreant of character as time goes on.  That's just human nature.  And of course scripture warns us that this is precisely what is going to happen.
Sad to watch it prophetically unfold before my eyes, because of what the consequences are going to be.

Why should they be motivated to go out and vote for liars?  To BLOCK the worse liar and danger the Leftist candidate presents?

Sorry - after years of doing that and holding my nose and casting votes simply to keep the Democrat out of office - is not something I am going to allow myself to do ever again.

I'll vote FOR someone with a provable record and character that reveals they mean what they say and in whom I can trust that their word his honest, rather than accept the fact they are lying sacks of shit - but OUR lying sack of shit that we want in office because the other lying sack of shit is worse.

I don't know of a whole lot of 3rd party candidates with a proven track record; for one not many are om Congress so no voting record can really be scrutinized.  So once again, we are at the mercy of political campaigning and promises.

It is nearly impossible for a 3rd party candidate to win; rules for them to qualify differ from those within the GOP or DEM parties.  An enormous amount of $$ is needed.  Like it or not, that is reality.  IMHO it would take a major shift of politicians within the GOP, considered by most to be conservative joining a 3rd party to even have a remote chance of seeing a 3rd party president seated.

Sure we may see an uprising, overthrow, civil war, etc., and perhaps then we may see the political arena redefined, but highly unlikely with the $$ and powers of people like Soros who I believe are just waiting in the wings to take over (or one of their cronies) and we become a dictatorship or socialistic society.

Granted, there are certain people/politicians that I refuse to vote for and that is anyone who opposes the 2A.  If a GOP candidate is anti-gun and the DEM opponent has a pro gun record, I'd vote for the DEM without hesitation.

[Applewood]

Nope.  I used to hope for that too, but now I see it is hopeLESS for there to be a successful 3rd party alternative.  It's too ingrained and embedded by now.  We're headed for a one-party system.... probably under the leftists.  Because too many people will just stay home and not vote against them.

If the Republican Party is dead, a new party would not be a third party.  It would be a real choice. 

I think there are enough voters out there who would be happy to have a real choice -- not this bogus choice of Dems and Dem-Lite. 

[Emjay]

@Emjay

ONLY because Trump is President. If any other Republican candidate had won the Presidency,it would have just been more of the same and we would have made zero progress stopping the destruction of our nation.

I think you may be right.

[INVAR]

I don't know of a whole lot of 3rd party candidates with a proven track record; for one not many are om Congress so no voting record can really be scrutinized.

Character used to be the yardstick to measure one's fitness for office.  How consistent they are in their beliefs. It didn't used to matter that they did not have a 30 year career in office to measure 'results' (which is in the form of funneling other taxpayers monies into their pockets).  Heck, Trump had no 'proven' track record beyond everyone citing his wealth and businesses as evidence he was fit for the job. 

It is nearly impossible for a 3rd party candidate to win;

Gotta start somewhere or violence and bloodshed is going to be the only tool available to prevent where we are going.

rules for them to qualify differ from those within the GOP or DEM parties. 

The rules have been rewritten in the GOP in the last two conventions so that NO grassroots small government conservative can ever be nominated for a contest to national office.  So we are stuck with Marxists or Liberals - whom ALL march Left - just some faster than others.

IMHO it would take a major shift of politicians within the GOP, considered by most to be conservative joining a 3rd party to even have a remote chance of seeing a 3rd party president seated.

Well, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results when the leadership of the party has made it clear that small government, maximum liberty and personal morality are things they told us to shut up about or get out of their party.

We are arriving at the place where all the arguments in elections are to vote for a Lenin because he is not as bad as a Stalin.

[Emjay]

I for one hope the midterms cause enough damage to the Republican Party that it will never recover.  Maybe then a more conservative, American values party will emerge from the ashes.

@Applewood .... wow, you are a dreamer.  There are currently two parties with any chance whatsoever of attaining power in the country. 

I'm not sure if there is any possibility of a viable third party because the disaffected like yourself are too divided.  You all cannot come together enough on anything to form a successful third party ... unless it would be the 'bitching party.'

But I don't want to lose America because you and @INVAR and a few others are bitter because the Republicans haven't made enough progress or made it fast enough.

Fortunately, you guys are a small minority, even here on TBR.

[XenaLee]

If the Republican Party is dead, a new party would not be a third party.  It would be a real choice. 

I think there are enough voters out there who would be happy to have a real choice -- not this bogus choice of Dems and Dem-Lite.

Well... there is dead... and then there is 'real dead'.  And I don't see the Republican Party ever being 'real dead'... or at least not dead enough that most folks that have voted GOP for their entire lives would switch to voting for another party because of the reasons we have outlined here.  I'd like to think it could happen... but then... I'm not optimistic any more about it.  Having a real choice is, I fear, no longer possible.  Sorry.

[Frank Cannon]

I think there are enough voters out there who would be happy to have a real choice -- not this bogus choice of Dems and Dem-Lite.

You third party types had the best chance you ever had to pull that off in '16. Better than Ross Perot. Better than Teddy Roosevelt. Better than John Anderson. You came up a big fat zero. Not even a blip on the screen. It ain't ever going to happen.

[Emjay]

You third party types had the best chance you ever had to pull that off in '16. Better than Ross Perot. Better than Teddy Roosevelt. Better than John Anderson. You came up a big fat zero. Not even a blip on the screen. It ain't ever going to happen.

Nope.  Never.  But they keep hoping.

[Applewood]

But I don't want to lose America because you and @INVAR and a few others are bitter because the Republicans haven't made enough progress or made it fast enough.

@Emjay

Bitter?  No.  Wiser?  Done falling for the lies and empty promises of the Republican Party?  Yes. 

And @Emjay   With or without @INVAR and those like us, America is going to be lost.  Democrats in charge?  Republicans in charge?  Doesn't matter.  This country is going to hell in a handbasket.  And all because you and those like you who are stuck on two choices --whichever half of the Uniparty -- and refuse to do something different to save this country from ruin. 

Don't say you haven't been warned.

[XenaLee]

@Emjay

Bitter?  No.  Wiser?  Done falling for the lies and empty promises of the Republican Party?  Yes. 

And @Emjay   With or without @INVAR and those like us, America is going to be lost.  Democrats in charge?  Republicans in charge?  Doesn't matter.  This country is going to hell in a handbasket.  And all because you and those like you who are stuck on two choices --whichever half of the Uniparty -- and refuse to do something different to save this country from ruin. 

Don't say you haven't been warned.

You do realize, I hope.... that blaming those of us that no longer (or maybe never did) think like you on this.... if/when the nation falls....

is just as wrong as someone here blaming you (and a few others here).

Right?

I have no control over anyone here, you don't, nor does anyone else here.  Especially when it comes to how someone will vote.

JS....

[INVAR]

You third party types had the best chance you ever had to pull that off in '16. Better than Ross Perot. Better than Teddy Roosevelt. Better than John Anderson. You came up a big fat zero. Not even a blip on the screen. It ain't ever going to happen.

Then our fate is sealed and we go the way of Rome until our currency collapses due to the trillions upon trillions in debt accrued and the barbarians we let inside our gates to keep our pensions and ponzi schemes afloat until we are long gone, revisit the lessons of history upon our children and their children a trillion times more virulently.

But I don't want to lose America because you and @INVAR and a few others are bitter because the Republicans haven't made enough progress or made it fast enough.

You've already lost it.

You just refuse to recognize it because it has not affected you personally.... yet

Fortunately, you guys are a small minority, even here on TBR.

The ones warning a society it is making mistakes and on a path to destruction are always a tiny, micro-minority - and always hated with a savage passion by the very people they are attempting to wake up to the consequences they are heaping upon themselves and their posterity.

No one wants to hear the truth, and the ones speaking it are always silenced for it.

[Emjay]

@Frank Cannon

You took the Lord's name, Jesus, in vain, making it a swear word.  Swear/nasty words of yours in this post: "Jesus, jackass".

@Victoria33   Please.  Frank is a gentleman at all times.  I remember how nice his parents were.  They were active in the church.  Think before you post.

[Emjay]

@Emjay

Bitter?  No.  Wiser?  Done falling for the lies and empty promises of the Republican Party?  Yes. 

And @Emjay   With or without @INVAR and those like us, America is going to be lost.  Democrats in charge?  Republicans in charge?  Doesn't matter.  This country is going to hell in a handbasket.  And all because you and those like you who are stuck on two choices --whichever half of the Uniparty -- and refuse to do something different to save this country from ruin. 

Don't say you haven't been warned.

I won't say I have been warned.  I'm not sure what you expect me to do different.  If I were still in Texas, I would vote for Ted Cruz.

Can anybody join your cult?

[XenaLee]

Then our fate is sealed and we go the way of Rome until our currency collapses due to the trillions upon trillions in debt accrued and the barbarians we let inside our gates to keep our pensions and ponzi schemes afloat until we are long gone, revisit the lessons of history upon our children and their children a trillion times more virulently.

You've already lost it.

You just refuse to recognize it because it has not affected you personally.... yet

The ones warning a society it is making mistakes and on a path to destruction are always a tiny, micro-minority - and always hated with a savage passion by the very people they are attempting to wake up to the consequences they are heaping upon themselves and their posterity.

No one wants to hear the truth, and the ones speaking it are always silenced for it.

I'm quite sure it has been this way since the beginning of civilization.  The truth hurts.  And the inevitable, proverbial writing on the wall, is... this nation cannot sustain itself with radical leftists in charge.  I won't even bother mentioning all of the failed socialist/commie societies right now as proof of that.   But we have probably allowed things to go too far with these leftists in America.  It may well be too late.... since Trump's presidency may turn out to be only a small/short setback or bump in the road for them.

[Emjay]

I'm quite sure it has been this way since the beginning of civilization.  The truth hurts.  And the inevitable, proverbial writing on the wall, is... this nation cannot sustain itself with radical leftists in charge.  I won't even bother mentioning all of the failed socialist/commie societies right now as proof of that.   But we have probably allowed things to go too far with these leftists in America.  It may well be too late.... since Trump's presidency may turn out to be only a small/short setback or bump in the road for them.

@XenaLee   Oh, cheer up.  The democrats have overplayed their hand.  They've allowed their party to slip into the hands of real socialists and really crazy people.

If the media were even slightly fair, more people would know about their demise into evil.

But we have technology on our hands we never had before.  We have Twitter.  I don't use it, but it's very effective and gives People a voice. 

We have Facebook which, for all its faults, often reveals the truth ... at least on my page.

We have Fox News which is trying to commit suicide by being 'fair and balanced' but hasn't yet.

We have the Internet where people can find information for themselves.

I think more long-term democrats are 'walking away.'  It will become more obvious as time goes by.