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Scarborough: Ohio election shows GOP becoming a ‘rural party’
By John Bowden - 08/08/18 08:44 AM EDT

Results from the Ohio special election on Tuesday support the idea that the GOP is becoming a rural party that could face problems in winning over suburban voters his fall, "Morning Joe" host Joe Scarborough opined on Wednesday.

"This is a party, the Republican Party, that's becoming more and more every day a rural party," the former GOP congressman, a frequent critic of President Trump, said on his morning MSNBC show.

GOP candidate Troy Balderson holds a narrow lead in the special election race for a House seat, but the result is close enough that it could trigger a recount under state law. Even if Balderson wins, the results are discouraging for Republicans given the district's GOP tilt. It had been held by the GOP since 1983, and Trump won the district by 11 points.

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Joe is seizing on one thing to avoid doing a real analysis. I'm not sure how he can come to this conclusion considering it's a primary and Dems and Reps aren't competing against each other.
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It had been held by the GOP since 1983, and Trump won the district by 11 points.

It's also a district Bush almost lost to Kerry in '04 and Obama won by 8% in '08. So much for it being so solid.

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Joe is seizing on one thing to avoid doing a real analysis. I'm not sure how he can come to this conclusion considering it's a primary and Dems and Reps aren't competing against each other.
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That election was not a primary - it was a special election due to the person who had the seat, left.

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That election was not a primary - it was a special election due to the person who had the seat, left.

You are right. For some reason I was reading Ohio and thinking one of the primary races. Reading too many articles at once.

Even so, he's making some serious leaping conclusions in a special election, in August before the mid-terms, and avoiding the fact that the Dems pretty much maxed out their vote while they still lost to a tepid GOP vote.
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Joe may be wishcasting, or he may have a point.  Populism doesn't play that well in the suburbs.  Balderson lost nearly 2-1 in the Franklin County portion, and Delaware was closer than it should have been.  Whether this gets translated to marginal districts in three months is the big question.

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You are right. For some reason I was reading Ohio and thinking one of the primary races. Reading too many articles at once.

Even so, he's making some serious leaping conclusions in a special election, in August before the mid-terms, and avoiding the fact that the Dems pretty much maxed out their vote while they still lost to a tepid GOP vote.

Did they?  I haven't seen what percentage of them voted in either 2016 or 2018.  The 87% is against 2016 participation, not their entire base.  Maybe 2016 was particularly low because no one though anyone had a chance against HRC?

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Joe is seizing on one thing to avoid doing a real analysis. I'm not sure how he can come to this conclusion considering it's a primary and Dems and Reps aren't competing against each other.

Rural?  What is rural?  Does he mean mainstream as opposed to inner cities?

And why do we still care what Scarborough thinks.  He's proved his bias and irrelevancy over and over.
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Joe may be wishcasting, or he may have a point.  Populism doesn't play that well in the suburbs.  Balderson lost nearly 2-1 in the Franklin County portion, and Delaware was closer than it should have been.  Whether this gets translated to marginal districts in three months is the big question.

He may have a point, but it doesn't matter.  I don't like populism either but given a choice between Trump's populism and what the Democrats are offering...it's not close.  The 2016 primaries are over, and if the GOP elite challenges Trump in the 2020 primaries and manages to win, the GOP would get a shellacking of Watergate proportions in the general election because far too many Trump supporters would stay home.   So many progressives would get elected that we might as well hand over the keys permanently.

Best case for electing someone who 1) isn't a Democrat and 2) isn't Trump, is Trump choosing not to run in 2020.

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Did they?  I haven't seen what percentage of them voted in either 2016 or 2018.  The 87% is against 2016 participation, not their entire base.  Maybe 2016 was particularly low because no one though anyone had a chance against HRC?

I pretty much consider a presidential election to be the base. You might have a few party registereds that vote in other elections but not the presidential, but it's usually small, 2% give or take. The rest are dead, moved, or don't care to vote, such as teens registering in high school.

The 12th district had a higher vote total in '16 than '12. There was some swing between '12 and '16 about 4500 votes. Factoring out those true Indies, the base there looks to be about 125K max.

Since this is a mid-term, voting will be less. In the special they had about 30K more votes for the Dem candidate than in '14. I'm not sure how they are going to improve on that in just 3 months.

Meanwhile the GOP only voted 40%. They can vote upwards of 75% in the mid-terms.

It doesn't give Dems much hope this district. They have been doing this in most of the specials, either narrowly winning or losing, but with a high turnout.

Where are they going to glean the extra votes to win in the general? What they will have to do is depress GOP turnout.



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The intended theme, is to demean rural life and rural people.

Well, it is my opinion the left is off widely on that. Most folks of all races, living in cities and suburbs, have ancestors and relatives from "the country."

And when those suburbanites consider it, they would admit to the attractions of the rural lifestyle.

Most folks, when they can retire and "get away from it all," are NOT heading for cities, or even for close in suburbs.


In my opinion the most desirable American lifestyle is in fringe suburbs of small to mid-sized metro areas.

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He may have a point, but it doesn't matter.  I don't like populism either but given a choice between Trump's populism and what the Democrats are offering...it's not close.  The 2016 primaries are over, and if the GOP elite challenges Trump in the 2020 primaries and manages to win, the GOP would get a shellacking of Watergate proportions in the general election because far too many Trump supporters would stay home.   So many progressives would get elected that we might as well hand over the keys permanently.

Best case for electing someone who 1) isn't a Democrat and 2) isn't Trump, is Trump choosing not to run in 2020.

Right, it would be a death wish for Republicans to challenge Trump.  They wouldn't be successful but it would hurt Trump (maybe).  I say maybe because people despise the squishes in Congress a lot more than they dislike Trump.

When Trump was first elected, I was sure one term would be enough for him.  I thought he wanted to BE President but he would get bored with DOING President.

I was wrong.  He seems to be energized by it.  I think he's in for 2020.
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Did Joe go into why he had to quickly leave office? Oh yeah. I remember now. He killed his intern.

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He may have a point, but it doesn't matter.  I don't like populism either but given a choice between Trump's populism and what the Democrats are offering...it's not close.  The 2016 primaries are over, and if the GOP elite challenges Trump in the 2020 primaries and manages to win, the GOP would get a shellacking of Watergate proportions in the general election because far too many Trump supporters would stay home.   So many progressives would get elected that we might as well hand over the keys permanently.

Best case for electing someone who 1) isn't a Democrat and 2) isn't Trump, is Trump choosing not to run in 2020.

How do you define populism, particularly as it relates to Trump?  Honest question.
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Did Joe go into why he had to quickly leave office? Oh yeah. I remember now. He killed his intern.

A seemingly healthy 28 Y/O faints and and hit her head on a desk while alone in an office and dies.   Hey  It could happen if you were a friend of the clintons I guess.
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A seemingly healthy 28 Y/O faints and and hit her head on a desk while alone in an office and dies.   Hey  It could happen if you were a friend of the clintons I guess.

It also helps when you have the coroner on your payroll.

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Scarborough: Ohio election shows GOP becoming a ‘rural party’
By John Bowden - 08/08/18 08:44 AM EDT

Results from the Ohio special election on Tuesday support the idea that the GOP is becoming a rural party that could face problems in winning over suburban voters his fall, "Morning Joe" host Joe Scarborough opined on Wednesday.

"This is a party, the Republican Party, that's becoming more and more every day a rural party," the former GOP congressman, a frequent critic of President Trump, said on his morning MSNBC show.

GOP candidate Troy Balderson holds a narrow lead in the special election race for a House seat, but the result is close enough that it could trigger a recount under state law. Even if Balderson wins, the results are discouraging for Republicans given the district's GOP tilt. It had been held by the GOP since 1983, and Trump won the district by 11 points.

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That's just Joe's subtle way of calling Trump supporters and/or the GOP voters "country hicks".....

as opposed to the ultra-sophisticated, street-smart/savvy, city-dwelling Democratic Party voters....




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How do you define populism...


You don't. Or you do so at your pleasure.




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When it comes to Populism vs. Radicalism, Populism wins.
The Dems are losing thousands of voters every day, just simply because most of the Dems at the forefront of the Party are flaming weirdos.
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When it comes to Populism vs. Radicalism, Populism wins.
The Dems are losing thousands of voters every day, just simply because most of the Dems at the forefront of the Party are flaming weirdos.

With their kookie agenda, the weirdo requirement comes just before economic illiterate on the democrat leadership job application form.

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The "unsaid,but meant" part of that "message" is that only rubes support the party of Trump,but SOPHISTICATED city people with educations support the RINO's.
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When it comes to Populism vs. Radicalism, Populism wins.
The Dems are losing thousands of voters every day, just simply because most of the Dems at the forefront of the Party are flaming weirdos.

DEMS that are front and center lately; Pelosi, Biden, Warren, Waters, and Booker ... each have their own 'issues' lately, with Pelosi's being the most obvious of just plain old and delusional.  Biden is getting up in years. Warren would bring in the female/LGBT vote, Waters is a whack-adoo, Booker just hinted at being anti-Israel.

However, I wouldn't discount a run by some younger and lesser known DEMS in 2020; Gillibrand bringing in the female vote or one of the Castro brothers.  My hunch is that you'll see Holder run. He's black, has name recognition and is about as corrupt as they need him to be.
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Well of course that is what he is saying. Scarface is just following the Party line. So many Dems have been caught out in one way or another saying that Trump supporters and Republicans in general, are toothless hicks who don't know what they are doing.

This is rather rich coming from a Party whose base is felons, illegals, high-school dropouts, dope smoking hippies, minorities of every kind, and dead people. The only reason the Democrat Party has any success at all is because they are supported and funded by people like Soros. They are supported by the uber elite White upper class and the mega-rich super billionaires.

The thing that confuses most Democrats, is that they believe they have a God given 'right' to rule everyone else and they just can't figure out why everyone in the country isn't worshiping them like they deserve.
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