Pope Francis officially comes out against the state’s right to choose

[240B]

The Washington Examiner
by Becket Adams
August 03, 2018 09:20 AM

Pope Francis has formally declared the death penalty inadmissible in all cases, newsrooms declared breathlessly Thursday morning.

Though the Vatican’s announcement is certainly newsworthy, the general tenor of Thursday’s reporting, which has been a mixture of elation and delight, seems a bit undeserved.

It’s a “change in church teaching that could influence Catholic politicians and judges in the U.S. and across the globe,” the Associated Press reported.

The New York Times claimed elsewhere that the pope had made a, “definitive change in church teaching that is likely to challenge Catholic politicians, judges and officials who have argued that their church was not entirely opposed to capital punishment.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pope-francis-officially-comes-out-against-the-states-right-to-choose

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

[XenaLee]

The Washington Examiner
by Becket Adams
August 03, 2018 09:20 AM

Pope Francis has formally declared the death penalty inadmissible in all cases, newsrooms declared breathlessly Thursday morning.

Though the Vatican’s announcement is certainly newsworthy, the general tenor of Thursday’s reporting, which has been a mixture of elation and delight, seems a bit undeserved.

It’s a “change in church teaching that could influence Catholic politicians and judges in the U.S. and across the globe,” the Associated Press reported.

The New York Times claimed elsewhere that the pope had made a, “definitive change in church teaching that is likely to challenge Catholic politicians, judges and officials who have argued that their church was not entirely opposed to capital punishment.”

(more)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pope-francis-officially-comes-out-against-the-states-right-to-choose

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

Yeah.... false prophets (and propagandists) tend to do that.  Denying the existence of Hell was one for the (literal) books.  The Father of Lies must be so proud of Fran.

[ABX]

There is an interesting way to look at this. We think he is talking about us, but in the US, how we administer the death penalty is unique. (With the exception of military trials).

In most of the world, the State hands down the judgment and can execute citizens.

However, Ilin the US, the state (the government) doesn't do this. A death penalty sentence can only be handed down by a jury of citizens- specifically separating this from a government imposed punishment.

In the US, the ultimate choice of life or death can only be made by a jury, not a judge.

[Suppressed]

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

This comment stands in opposition to the article you posted, which states the following:

All of this is to say: The Church isn’t doing an about-face on a matter of faith and morals. Francis has only made a generally held position official.

[cato potatoe]

The Pope can say whatever he wants, but his opinions are just as valid as mine.  If I want Christian teaching, I will consult the Bible, not some old man from Buenos Aires.

[240B]

This comment stands in opposition to the article you posted, which states the following:

OK. Whatever you say. I am only tangentially interested in the Pope. I respect your superior knowledge on this.

[Absalom]

The Washington Examiner
by Becket Adams
August 03, 2018 09:20 AM

Pope Francis has formally declared the death penalty inadmissible in all cases, newsrooms declared breathlessly Thursday morning.

Though the Vatican’s announcement is certainly newsworthy, the general tenor of Thursday’s reporting, which has been a mixture of elation and delight, seems a bit undeserved.

It’s a “change in church teaching that could influence Catholic politicians and judges in the U.S. and across the globe,” the Associated Press reported.

The New York Times claimed elsewhere that the pope had made a, “definitive change in church teaching that is likely to challenge Catholic politicians, judges and officials who have argued that their church was not entirely opposed to capital punishment.”

(more)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pope-francis-officially-comes-out-against-the-states-right-to-choose

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

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History is replete w/examples of the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time
and Frankie is a classic example; born a Peronista, a dubious Catholic and a moron.
Christ told us to "render to Caesar what is his and to the Almighty what is his";
clearly defining a clear dichotomy between the material and the spiritual.
Doubtful whether Frankie ever heard of either Christ or Caesar!!!
In The Mikado, Sir William Gilbert wrote a short ditty for Ko-Ko, as follows;
" I've got a little list
  and on this very list
  are those who won't be missed;
  no never, not ever "
Add Frankie to that list!!!

[verga]

This latest comment has officially made me a "Sede Vacante", As far as I am concerned BXVI is still the legitimate Pope.

[ABX]

This latest comment has officially made me a "Sede Vacante", As far as I am concerned BXVI is still the legitimate Pope.

Or we could go Palmarian and recognize Pope Peter III.

[XenaLee]

Or we could go Palmarian and recognize Pope Peter III.

Are you referring to Peter the Roman.... who is probably going to turn out to be Cardinal Parolin (who could take over "unofficially" after the demise of Francis).

Parolin pic.... is it just me, or does his hairline sort of look like horns?  lolol

[ABX]

Are you referring to Peter the Roman.... who is probably going to turn out to be Cardinal Parolin (who could take over "unofficially" after the demise of Francis).

Parolin pic.... is it just me, or does his hairline sort of look like horns?  lolol

Nope, Peter III is the pope of the Palmarian church which split from the Catholic church in Rome in the 70s. They believe the modern Catholic church is very, very liberal and no longer represents the Church of Christ. For traditional Catholics, they are considered a cult, but they have a huge following and a crap load of money. Supposedly there are many priests and organizations within the Roman Catholic church that secretly support them.

[sneakypete]

The Washington Examiner
by Becket Adams
August 03, 2018 09:20 AM

Pope Francis has formally declared the death penalty inadmissible in all cases, newsrooms declared breathlessly Thursday morning.

Though the Vatican’s announcement is certainly newsworthy, the general tenor of Thursday’s reporting, which has been a mixture of elation and delight, seems a bit undeserved.

It’s a “change in church teaching that could influence Catholic politicians and judges in the U.S. and across the globe,” the Associated Press reported.

The New York Times claimed elsewhere that the pope had made a, “definitive change in church teaching that is likely to challenge Catholic politicians, judges and officials who have argued that their church was not entirely opposed to capital punishment.”

(more)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pope-francis-officially-comes-out-against-the-states-right-to-choose

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

Catholicism is just one more religious cult,and cult members follow the orders of their Maximum Leaders. Why is anyone surprised about this?

[XenaLee]

Nope, Peter III is the pope of the Palmarian church which split from the Catholic church in Rome in the 70s. They believe the modern Catholic church is very, very liberal and no longer represents the Church of Christ. For traditional Catholics, they are considered a cult, but they have a huge following and a crap load of money. Supposedly there are many priests and organizations within the Roman Catholic church that secretly support them.

I agree with them there.

Thanks for the splain.   

[kidd]

Pope Francis continues to rewrite basic Catholic doctrine. He seems to be remaking Catholicism to be the way he wishes it to be.

No. He expressed his left-leaning opinion. The Catechism has not been rewritten - nor will it be rewritten - to match the opinion of this one person. In this matter, the Cardinals have significant influence.

It is idiotic, and without any scriptural or backing of tradition, to expose prison employees/fellow prisoners/general public to a dangerous person who cannot be adequately incarcerated. Such people are rare, but they exist (for example, Ted Bundy continued to murder people after he was jailed).

Note that Francis has shown support for the government-backed Chinese Catholic church - which supports abortion. How is the taking of innocent life ok when the taking of guilty and dangerous life is not?

[Absalom]

Catholicism is just one more religious cult,and cult members follow the orders of their Maximum Leaders. Why is anyone surprised about this?

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Sneaky, bear w/me a moment.
Christ's admonition to his followers to "Render to Caesar..................."
was later reinforced through Roman Catholic Doctrine; specifically
that the Pontiff is infallible, ONLY when speaking 'Ex Cathedra' and
when the matter concerns Faith and/or Morals.
Everything else is his opinion, be it Socialism, Capital Punishment,
Homosexuality, Immigration, Who will win the Super Bowl; or any
of the rest of the stuff he blathers on about.
Roman Catholics, who are hardly cult members, are under no
obligation to pay any attention to his opinions about this and that.

[240B]

All respect to the religion and its followers, but that hat looks like something straight out of Saturday Night Live.
Hard to believe it is the real thing.

[ABX]

All respect to the religion and its followers, but that hat looks like something straight out of Saturday Night Live.
Hard to believe it is the real thing.

The sad part is what it probably is worth, especially because I suspect this was recently made, not just the excuse it is a relic being handed down. The moneychangers in the temple are busy.

[sneakypete]

All respect to the religion and its followers, but that hat looks like something straight out of Saturday Night Live.
Hard to believe it is the real thing.

Looks kinda like a Russian teapot,doesn't it?

Wonder how much it weighs?

[Taxcontrol]

I am of the opinion that the current Pope displays the problem with "prima Ecclesia" vs "prima scriptura".

[XenaLee]

The sad part is what it probably is worth, especially because I suspect this was recently made, not just the excuse it is a relic being handed down. The moneychangers in the temple are busy.

I can't help but think that Jesus would be (or is) offended by the lavish trappings of the Catholic Church these days.   Obviously... they love all that bling....

but they shouldn't.

[Sanguine]

Francis who?

[240B]

Check this out.




Nefertiti - 1300B.C.


From thousands of years B.C., cultures all over the world have considered an elongated skull to be a symbol of intelligence, wealth, and power. In fact, some cultures performed head-binding, which would shape their skull to fit these hats perfectly. One theory is that once there was a race of people with elongated heads who were incredibly intelligent and wise. And so they were emulated. These hats bear that out. We are still doing it today.

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak

Years ago, I asked the priest of my church about the infallibility of the Pope.  He said the Pope is considered infallible when interpreting the scripture; other than that, he makes mistakes just as we do. If the Pope's stance on capital punishment is considered as interpreting the scripture, then he is right, according to the church.  There are numerous steps, including Cardinals voting, before a Pope's decision changes the Catechism.

Over time, I have changed from thinking it is okay to kill terrible criminals.  I now think since they were made by God, they were good as everything God makes is good.  As long as they are alive, they may become to believe in Jesus Christ, so I am not for killing them; rather, put them in a place where they have to stay; give them a chance to believe in Jesus Christ.  I should not decide when someone in prison dies.

[truth_seeker]

Extra, Extra.

Catholic church opposes Death Penalty.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The sad part is what it probably is worth, especially because I suspect this was recently made, not just the excuse it is a relic being handed down. The moneychangers in the temple are busy.

In other words you have no effing idea but are going throw out the insult anyway.