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Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« on: July 27, 2018, 01:32:42 pm »


By Cathy Burke    |   Thursday, 26 July 2018 09:04 PM


Republicans will have to woo Independent and swing voters — and emphasize the strength of the economy — if they want to maintain control of the House in this fall's midterm elections, GOP strategist Karl Rove said Thursday.

In an interview on Fox News' "The Daily Briefing," the former White House deputy chief of staff for President George W. Bush said the momentum has been swinging to Democrats in key Midwestern states "because Democrats have had a good fundraising quarter."

More concerning, Rove said, however, is President Donald Trump's drop in approval among Independent voters.

"Republicans can't do it with Republicans only," Rove said. "They have to have Republicans and swing voters in order to win these races."

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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2018, 01:37:20 pm »
Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 pm »
Gee Karl!  That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s 

When have they ever been able to do it without independents?
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2018, 01:44:26 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 pm
Gee Karl!  That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s 

When have they ever been able to do it without independents?

Exactly.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2018, 01:45:19 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 27, 2018, 01:37:20 pm
Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.

You can't please everyone for trying but you can please many independents by sticking with a program of prosperity.


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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2018, 01:54:12 pm »
Quote from: endicom on July 27, 2018, 01:45:19 pm
You can't please everyone for trying but you can please many independents by sticking with a program of prosperity.

The only hope for the GOP's success is to stick with the president's agenda, which appears to be working.

But because what the majority of the voters want and what DC - both parties together - wants are two completely different things I'm afraid the GOP would rather lose.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 01:57:10 pm »
@mystery-ak

This is true.  Independents vote by emotion as they are not connected to either party.  They vote according to which party they think will be better for them right then.  Since they are not really into politics, they may watch the news channel in their town/city in the evening for local news and perhaps cable news like Fox, CNN, for news but not stay connected to any of those for hours. Trump's antics are on the news every day, so they will see some of that and that will likely push them toward the Democrats in the fall.  Also, some women Republicans will not vote for Trump people as a slap toward Trump.

Generally, the country is split about 40-45% Republican and 40-45% Democrat, it is the 10-20% Independents who determine who wins.  This has been historically true for voting pattern.  However, this is a non-presidential year and historically more Republicans show up to vote than Democrats in a non-presidential year.

I will study the country voting pattern after the November election to determine if the "historical" vote pattern still holds.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2018, 01:57:43 pm »
Well Karl, it will be even more interesting to discover you can't do it without principled Conservatives either, unless going full-tilt Democrat is your goal - and then, just go after the rabid liberals who feel abandoned now that Marxist/Communists have taken over their party.

They need a home Karl, and I am sure you and the GOP will welcome them with open arms, as you make passing the liberal agenda an official platform in your party plank.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2018, 01:59:45 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 pm
Gee Karl!  That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s 

When have they ever been able to do it without independents?

Did you ever wish you could take that white board of his and shove it up his ass and twist it sideways?

Okay I fell better now that I got that out of my system. 
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2018, 02:03:21 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on July 27, 2018, 01:59:45 pm
Did you ever wish you could take that white board of his and shove it up his ass and twist it sideways?

Okay I fell better now that I got that out of my system.

I've known the guy for many years and will tell you that he was good at what he did (direct mail consulting) before G.W. made him famous!  He should have stuck to what he was good at!
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2018, 02:05:01 pm »
Go away Karl.  he just can't stand the fact a Republican won without his help.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2018, 02:20:34 pm »
Well, I don't think the Republicans will have this independent's help for the midterms.  Has little to do with Trump and more because the Republican candidates in this state are everything from untrustworthy to zeroes.  The Republican running against Senator Casey, for example, has yet to run any campaign ads here and, I'm sorry to say, he reminds me of a character from the Sopranos.  The congressional races don't apply to me -- I don't live in those districts -- so I can't vote in them anyhow.  The one race though already has the  dull incumbent Republican trailing the charming Dem upstart by a large margin. 

I think there will be a lot of voters who will look at this spate of candidates, yawn and just stay home.   Trying to ride on Trump's coattails may not work.  The Republicans need some better candidates.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2018, 03:11:18 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 27, 2018, 01:38:38 pm
Gee Karl!  That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s 

When have they ever been able to do it without independents?

I think Rove has lost whatever 'feel' for the electorate he ever had.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2018, 03:18:27 pm »
The said part is they could have appealed to a large chunk of independents just by being conservative.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2018, 03:40:28 pm »
Quote from: cato potatoe on July 27, 2018, 03:18:27 pm
The said part is they could have appealed to a large chunk of independents just by being conservative.


Very much agreed.  What do we have now?  Far right socialist Dems, a few moderate Dems (who are being pushed out by the far right Dems), and left-leaning Republicans.  The Republicans try to move left and the Dems are moving further left.  Didn't anyone think moving further right might be the way to go?  Who wants variations of the same old, same old? 
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
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Quote from: Applewood on July 27, 2018, 03:40:28 pm

Very much agreed.  What do we have now?  Far right socialist Dems, a few moderate Dems (who are being pushed out by the far right Dems), and left-leaning Republicans.  The Republicans try to move left and the Dems are moving further left.  Didn't anyone think moving further right might be the way to go?  Who wants variations of the same old, same old?

The entirety of the Republican leadership, most of their party and most of the population apparently.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2018, 04:00:34 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on July 27, 2018, 03:11:18 pm
I think Rove has lost whatever 'feel' for the electorate he ever had.

His hand led GW Bush to piss away the 2nd of his two terms, with "amnesty." and devastating loss of the House in 2006.

Fortunately without his "guidance," the Tea Party took the House back in 2010.

Carl, your era has slipped into the past.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2018, 04:40:50 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 27, 2018, 01:37:20 pm
Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.

Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.

I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76.  I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2018, 04:55:09 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on July 27, 2018, 04:40:50 pm
Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.

I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76.  I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.

But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2018, 04:58:59 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on July 27, 2018, 04:40:50 pm
Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.

I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76.  I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.

I can.

He's been somewhat liberal on domestic issues but fairly sound on foreign policy.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2018, 05:00:58 pm »
Karl Roves fetish with Independents really payed off in '12 didn't it?

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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2018, 05:01:15 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 27, 2018, 04:55:09 pm
But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.

A lot!
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2018, 05:01:29 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 27, 2018, 04:00:34 pm
His hand led GW Bush to piss away the 2nd of his two terms, with "amnesty." and devastating loss of the House in 2006.

Fortunately without his "guidance," the Tea Party took the House back in 2010.

Carl, your era has slipped into the past.

GWB only won because he went against the two worst candidates the Democrats could have come up with, in Gore and Kerry.
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2018, 05:02:31 pm »
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I can.

He's been somewhat liberal on domestic issues but fairly sound on foreign policy.

Lieberman is the last "Scoop Jackson Democrat".
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Re: Karl Rove: GOP 'Can't Do It' Without Independents in 2018
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2018, 05:23:38 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 27, 2018, 04:55:09 pm
But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.

Even though..... Joe Lieberman's voice put me right to sleep ..... I would take a dozen or more of him replacing certain RINOs in a heartbeat.   (yeah, still dreaming....)
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