This conservative would take Obama back in a nanosecond

[sneakypete]

WaPo Conservative: I Miss Obama And Would Take Him Back In A Nanosecond
Matt Vespa

 @mvespa1
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Posted: Jul 21, 2018 9:15 PM

Well, this is some Grade-A crap. Apparently, there are some so-called conservatives that miss Barack Obama and would take him “back in a nanosecond.” It’s not because they support his policies. It’s because Donald Trump is president, and that is a sour grapes reason. Max Boot made this point in his op-ed this week:

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@mystery-ak

Why are you surprised? This is a guy that worked to try to get both McLunatic and Mittens in the WH.  Seems to me like Bathhouse Barry would be right in his engine room.

Like it or not,but he,and people like him are the core of the modern-day Republican Party.

Which is why I no longer call myself a Republican.

[cato potatoe]

That's not how it works, Max.  You're stuck with Trump until the voters find somebody worse.

[andy58-in-nh]

No one who justiably identifies as an American "conservative" would rather see Barack Obama back in office, as opposed to nearly any Republican.

But a person who identifies first and foremost with the Ruling Class elite, as opposed to either conservatives or Republicans, certainly would.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

No,REPUBLICANS have a problem,and problems like this are why I no longer call myself a Republican.

I think Republicans are on the mend under the President .... a few of the vocal cling-on critics have a date certain for the dustbin of history and 2017 can't come fast enough.

Conservatives, IMO, have a problem because they're still undefined with a strategy or message.  Conservatism is up for grabs.

@sneakypete

[roamer_1]

Conservatives, IMO, have a problem because they're still undefined with a strategy or message.  Conservatism is up for grabs.

*SNORT*
There is nothing more defined than Conservatism.

[sneakypete]

*SNORT*
There is nothing more defined than Conservatism.

@roamer_1

There is nothing more MIS-IDENTIFIED than Conservatism. Hell,people claim the Bush Crime Family and John McLunatic are conservatives.

These people would be closer to the truth if they identified them as hot air balloons.

[Cyber Liberty]

@roamer_1

There is nothing more MIS-IDENTIFIED than Conservatism. Hell,people claim the Bush Crime Family and John McLunatic are conservatives.

These people would be closer to the truth if they identified them as hot air balloons.

RINO politicians co-opt the Conservative brand all the time, because it's a winning ideology.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

There is nothing more MIS-IDENTIFIED than Conservatism. Hell,people claim the Bush Crime Family and John McLunatic are conservatives.

These people would be closer to the truth if they identified them as hot air balloons.

@sneakypete
That's right - Even as Tumpsters have absconded with the term... But that does not change Conservatism, which is defined by its principles - FICON, DEFCON, SOCON, and CIVCON (new coinage by me for civil-libertarianism... It doesn't belong in FICON) Each have their unmovable principles, and each one is conservative...

But it takes all of them together to be 'Big C' Conservatism. And only Conservatism will do.

[darroll]

Obama noticed what your color was and divided our people. Then he forced the people in the same neighborhood.
He also tried to turn us against the cops.
He was an Arab in sheep's clothing.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
That's right - Even as Tumpsters have absconded with the term... But that does not change Conservatism, which is defined by its principles - FICON, DEFCON, SOCON, and CIVCON (new coinage by me for civil-libertarianism... It doesn't belong in FICON) Each have their unmovable principles, and each one is conservative...

But it takes all of them together to be 'Big C' Conservatism. And only Conservatism will do.

@roamer_1

I know this fries your fritters because you live in some sort of alternate universe of your own,but Trump's ACTIONS are more conservative that those of any president this century.

Granted,Reagan really gave it the old school try and did accomplish amazing things on the international scene,but he caved too much to the Dims on domestic issues.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

I know this fries your fritters because you live in some sort of alternate universe of your own,but Trump's ACTIONS are more conservative that those of any president this century.

@sneakypete
Nah. This is Dubya III
You're just so hungry that you're gobbling up the red meat he tosses out without consideration. Like I said elsewhere, it is what survives his presidency that matters... And damn little so far will.

[skeeter]

I think Republicans are on the mend under the President .... a few of the vocal cling-on critics have a date certain for the dustbin of history and 2017 can't come fast enough.

Conservatives, IMO, have a problem because they're still undefined with a strategy or message.  Conservatism is up for grabs.

@sneakypete

The term becomes increasingly useless as time goes on. For example, 'progressives' are yammering on about the importance of precedent in SCOTUS rulings, because they've successfully steered most key rulings over the part 60 years.

Anyone who eschews change is a conservative.

On the other hand the Constitution was written by liberals in the classic sense.

The entire debate would be better served if we ditched the old nomenclature and started using terms that are more specific. Constitutionalist, socialist, statist, etc.

[sneakypete]

On the other hand the Constitution was written by liberals in the classic sense.

 

@skeeter

Which is why the Communists stole that term to use to hide their true nature and fool the goobers into voting for them. There is no one LESS "liberal" than the left.

[Bigun]

People have been conflating "Republican" and "Conservative" for ages and THAT is the primary cause why we find ourselves where we do!

The two words are not remotely interchangeable and never have been!

[roamer_1]

People have been conflating "Republican" and "Conservative" for ages and THAT is the primary cause why we find ourselves where we do!

The two words are not remotely interchangeable and never have been!

That's right.

[roamer_1]

@Bigun
And I might add, T.E.A. Party Patriots seemed to know what Conservatism is just fine.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
And I might add, T.E.A. Party Patriots seemed to know what Conservatism is just fine.

@roamer_1

In this area that is most definitely true!

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

In this area that is most definitely true!

I just got a phone poll today about the TEA Party... Somebody's jiggin for a run at the national debt.

[Suppressed]

@Bigun
And I might add, T.E.A. Party Patriots seemed to know what Conservatism is just fine.

From their website:

As the Tea Party Patriots believes in fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets, we do not take a position on social issues.  As an organization, we are neither opposed to, or in favor of, issues surrounding these questions, and will not expend our resources on them.

Excellent!

Many local groups have morphed and co-opted the T.E.A. Party idea to include social issues, even having religious tests for membership.  Then they wonder why they have no membership nor power anymore.  Shades of TOS, where you're laughable once you kick all your good members out.

[roamer_1]

From their website:

Excellent!

Many local groups have morphed and co-opted the T.E.A. Party idea to include social issues, even having religious tests for membership.  Then they wonder why they have no membership nor power anymore.  Shades of TOS, where you're laughable once you kick all your good members out.

Every Conservative Christian I know took part in the TEA Party.
Every Conservative Christian I know is informed as much by civil libertarianism as they are the Judeo-Christian Ethic, and eschew theocracy.
Every Conservative Christian I know embraces Reagan Conservatism, which includes fiscal and libertarian conservatism.

You are flatly wrong.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Max Headroom meets Das Boot

[EasyAce]

That's not how it works, Max.  You're stuck with Trump until the voters find somebody worse.