Why conservatives should support Roe v. Wade

[Bigun]

So then how is it justifiable?

I think I already explained that.  Go back and read what I said.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

I have no intention to put ANY of my posts on a bumper sticker. 

Good to hear.  I was just trying to find a clever way to let you know your post in Reply 25 is a 10 on the Misogynist Scale.

And this is what scares women, young women in particular.  I don't think they so much want to kill their unborn baby .... I think they're afraid men really do see them as baby makers with no rights separate from the fetus -- or the father.  Post 25 pretty much confirmed this.

[Oceander]

Exactly.  Just like any other morning after pill ..... but they're not always effective either.

True enough.

[Oceander]

I think I already explained that.  Go back and read what I said.

But you can’t restate it?  How is it justified?  How do you justify killing a baby because the mother’s health might be at risk?

[Right_in_Virginia]

I’m sure it’s google-able but I have to go start dinner: A doc on Fox a few years back talked about how the mother’s life isn’t really an issue anymore thanks to modern med. As to rape, a friend in college was the result of rape. She challenged anybody to tell her to her face that she was just a choice. 

Because your friend in college wasn't aborted all women pregnant due to rape must give birth?    Really?   

[Bigun]

What about a pregnancy resulting from rape @Bigun  Does the assaulted woman have the right to abort the previable fetus?

@Right_in_Virginia

I don't think that happens very often and I, I believe, there is a lot of medical evidence to support that.

[Bigun]

But you can’t restate it?  How is it justified?  How do you justify killing a baby because the mother’s health might be at risk?

I could but I'm not going to.   Go back and read what I said.

[Oceander]

@Right_in_Virginia

I don't think that happens very often and I, I believe, there is a lot of medical evidence to support that.

Maybe not, but that doesn’t answer the question.  If it happens, does the woman involved have the right to abort the fetus?  The right to, as some like to put it, “kill the baby?”

[Oceander]

I could but I'm not going to.   Go back and read what I said.

So you either cannot justify it, or you cannot justify it in a way that differentiates it from the more general case.

[Bigun]

Maybe not, but that doesn’t answer the question.  If it happens, does the woman involved have the right to abort the fetus?  The right to, as some like to put it, “kill the baby?”

No! She does not.

[Bigun]

So you either cannot justify it, or you cannot justify it in a way that differentiates it from the more general case.

I already did.  Can't help the fact that you are to lazy to go back and read what I have already said.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

I don't think that happens very often and I, I believe, there is a lot of medical evidence to support that.

I'm not asking you for statistics, @Bigun --- what is your opinion?  One woman, let's deal with one woman who finds herself pregnant after being raped.  What does your heart tell you about this?  What would you tell her?

(And she's past the 72 hour deadline for the morning after pill)

[Oceander]

No! She does not.

Ok. To rephrase your position then: a raped woman who becomes pregnant as a result does not have the right to abort the resultin fetus, even immediately after the rape. 

[Bigun]

I'm not asking you for statistics, @Bigun --- what is your opinion?  One woman, let's deal with one woman who finds herself pregnant after being raped.  What does your heart tell you about this?  What would you tell her?

(And she's past the 72 hour deadline for the morning after pill)

@Right_in_Virginia

My heart tells me that at that point there is another human life involved and no one has the right to arbitraryly end it. Especially based only on a claim of rape.

[Bigun]

Ok. To rephrase your position then: a raped woman who becomes pregnant as a result does not have the right to abort the resultin fetus, even immediately after the rape.

See my response to RIV above.

[mystery-ak]

Ok. To rephrase your position then: a raped woman who becomes pregnant as a result does not have the right to abort the resultin fetus, even immediately after the rape.

No she doesn't....a fetus is still a human being...

[mystery-ak]

@Right_in_Virginia

My heart tells me that at that point there is another human life involved and no one has the right to arbitraryly end it. Especially based only on a claim of rape.

WORD

[goodwithagun]

Because your friend in college wasn't aborted all women pregnant due to rape must give birth?    Really?   

The mothers of these children advocate against abortion in cases of pregnancy because it creates tragedy number two. The babies actually give them peace and joy after the horrific experience of rape.

[Jazzhead]

@Right_in_Virginia

My heart tells me that at that point there is another human life involved and no one has the right to arbitraryly end it. Especially based only on a claim of rape.

A "claim of rape"?    A woman doesn't have much in the way of personal autonomy in your world, now does she?

[Jazzhead]

The mothers of these children advocate against abortion in cases of pregnancy because it creates tragedy number two. The babies actually give them peace and joy after the horrific experience of rape.

That may very well be.  But a woman must still have the right to make that choice as she sees fit. 

[TomSea]

Que Basura.

[goodwithagun]

A "claim of rape"?    A woman doesn't have much in the way of personal autonomy in your world, now does she?

Is the alleged rapist guilty until proven innocent?

[goodwithagun]

That may very well be.  But a woman must still have the right to make that choice as she sees fit.

You keep using the word choice. What choice does the child have?

[Jazzhead]

No she doesn't....a fetus is still a human being...

You are making a moral argument.  But are you saying that raped woman can be forced by the State to endure 9 months of pregnancy and give birth?   

[goodwithagun]

Aw come on, we just had this LONG conversation a couple of days ago.

If you don't recall or want to read that thread, try putting  "previable fetus" into your Google machine.  You'll find lots of information.

@goodwithagun

Ability of baby to live outside the uterus. Are you and @Jazzhead parents? I am. I have three. None of them were able to live outside my uterus even though they were all born between 37 and 39 weeks. Their lives were completely in our hands; feeding, changing, cleaning, safety, etc.