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Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
Ponce will compete in Miss Universe 2018 later this year

By Rhuaridh Marr on July 2, 2018



Angela Ponce has become the first transgender woman to win Miss Universe Spain.

Ponce, 26, bested 22 other competitors to be crowned at the finale in Tarragona. Her win comes six years after the competition ended a ban on trans contestants, after previously requiring all contestants be “naturally born” women.

“I am very happy with what all this means,” Ponce said after her crowning on June 29, adding, “I want to give a lesson to the world of tolerance and respect towards oneself and towards others.”

Ponce had previously competed in Miss World Spain in 2015, but failed to take that title. At the time, she told 20 Minutos that society “is not educated for diversity and that is what has made me go public. Here I am and I’m not weird, I just have a different story.”

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 01:46:39 pm »
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 01:48:36 pm »
Why would he be called a "trans-woman"?  He was born male, is still male and the fact that he is good with makeup and hair, doesn't make him a woman.  Shouldn't he be called a "trans-man"?

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 02:02:58 pm »
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 03:42:54 pm »
Well bless her penis.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 04:28:50 pm »
It'll win.   *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 04:35:35 pm »
Well, as the article says, this was made possible by Trump’s rule change years ago.
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2018, 04:37:49 pm »
Well, as the article says, this was made possible by Trump’s rule change years ago.

I knew it!  It's Trump's fault! 

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2018, 04:45:12 pm »
I knew it!  It's Trump's fault!


The Miss Universe organization announced Tuesday it is ending its ban on transgender contestants after coming under scrutiny recently when a Canadian competitor was told she would be disqualified because she was born male.

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Miss Universe officials insist the change is in spite of, not because of, legal threats from women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred made on behalf of contestant Jenna Talackova.

"We made the decision two days before we even heard that (Allred) was involved," pageant owner Donald Trump told CNN Monday. "Had I known she was involved, maybe I wouldn't have made that decision because she's easy to beat."


https://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/10/showbiz/miss-universe-transgender/index.html


According to him, they did it on their own, without legal pressure.  Who else would you say is responsible?
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2018, 04:58:48 pm »

The Miss Universe organization announced Tuesday it is ending its ban on transgender contestants after coming under scrutiny recently when a Canadian competitor was told she would be disqualified because she was born male.

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Miss Universe officials insist the change is in spite of, not because of, legal threats from women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred made on behalf of contestant Jenna Talackova.

"We made the decision two days before we even heard that (Allred) was involved," pageant owner Donald Trump told CNN Monday. "Had I known she was involved, maybe I wouldn't have made that decision because she's easy to beat."


https://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/10/showbiz/miss-universe-transgender/index.html


According to him, they did it on their own, without legal pressure.  Who else would you say is responsible?

And, nobody's changed it back since then. 

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2018, 05:00:18 pm »
I knew it!  It's Trump's fault! 

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It always is with the NT'ers!    :cool:
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2018, 05:05:07 pm »
And, nobody's changed it back since then.


So, since Obamacare hasn’t been repealed, what do we call it, now?
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2018, 05:39:33 pm »
'IT' is not a woman! IT is what GOD made it, and that's a man. Psychologists, Psychiatrists and queers do not determine a human beings sex and I can't believe that the real women that were deemed not 'woman' enough to win a women's contest aren't outraged and sickened. I wonder if when providing stats to the judges IT provided a cup size, athletic cup size that is.

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2018, 06:31:19 pm »

So, since Obamacare hasn’t been repealed, what do we call it, now?


As has been pointed out before,  the R's do have some ownership now.

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 06:38:15 pm »
Wow. Something's seriously amiss when a Miss isn't a miss.

I'll never pick up another swimsuit issue....

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2018, 06:39:42 pm »
'IT' is not a woman! IT is what GOD made it, and that's a man. Psychologists, Psychiatrists and bleep do not determine a human beings sex and I can't believe that the real women that were deemed not 'woman' enough to win a women's contest aren't outraged and sickened. I wonder if when providing stats to the judges IT provided a cup size, athletic cup size that is.
You have touched upon the seminal issue.

Why are born women even putting up with this robbery?
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2018, 06:52:00 pm »
As has been pointed out before, the R's do have some ownership now.


It’ll be theirs if/when the ‘replace’ comes after repeal.  In the meantime, when you have an idea clearly lobbied for and enacted by an individual, they own it and what follows from it.  Just because the UN has survived 12 subsequent administrations, that doesn’t change the fact it was FDR’s debacle, created at Dumbarton Oaks.
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2018, 07:36:11 pm »
'IT' is not a woman! IT is what GOD made it, and that's a man. Psychologists, Psychiatrists and bleep do not determine a human beings sex and I can't believe that the real women that were deemed not 'woman' enough to win a women's contest aren't outraged and sickened. I wonder if when providing stats to the judges IT provided a cup size, athletic cup size that is.

This just goes to show the power of herd mentality on the left. Women know that "trans men" are going to wreck them in literally any physical competition, but their desire to appear as a good person who isn't a bigot is so strong they just figure they will take the hit.

Leftist women are quite willing to get beat just to prove they aren't a bigot.
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 07:42:51 pm »
This just goes to show the power of herd mentality on the left. Women know that "trans men" are going to wreck them in literally any physical competition, but their desire to appear as a good person who isn't a bigot is so strong they just figure they will take the hit.

Leftist women are quite willing to get beat just to prove they aren't a bigot.


A fact proven recently at a HS state track meet when a tranny set records and won races competing against biological born females.   And somewhere in TX in girls wrestling program(like that's a real sport).
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 07:52:26 pm »

A fact proven recently at a HS state track meet when a tranny set records and won races competing against biological born females.   And somewhere in TX in girls wrestling program(like that's a real sport).
There is something truly misogynistic in there.... :shrug:
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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 08:42:46 pm »

It’ll be theirs if/when the ‘replace’ comes after repeal.  In the meantime, when you have an idea clearly lobbied for and enacted by an individual, they own it and what follows from it.  Just because the UN has survived 12 subsequent administrations, that doesn’t change the fact it was FDR’s debacle, created at Dumbarton Oaks.


Nope,  they own it partly now.  They could have repealed it and they chose to keep it.

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Re: Trans woman Angela Ponce makes history winning Miss Universe Spain
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 08:54:53 pm »

It’ll be theirs if/when the ‘replace’ comes after repeal.  In the meantime, when you have an idea clearly lobbied for and enacted by an individual, they own it and what follows from it.  Just because the UN has survived 12 subsequent administrations, that doesn’t change the fact it was FDR’s debacle, created at Dumbarton Oaks.

That is the stupidest thing I read all day. Didn't know the bar could be lowered even further than the original topic, but yet here we are.