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Recently uncovered Jewish Revolt coin shows rebels aware of impending disaster
Minted on the eve of the destruction of the Second Temple, coin discovered in City of David excavations reads, 'For the Redemption of Zion'

By Amanda Borschel-Dan   1 July 2018, 4:05 pm 1
 

A rare bronze coin from the fourth year of the Great Jewish Revolt was recently discovered in excavations in the City of David National Park. A testament to the final days of the rebellion against the Romans, the coin was minted shortly before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/recently-uncovered-jewish-revolt-coin-shows-rebels-aware-of-impending-disaster/

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Might inscribe them now, “For World Domination of Zion”  :rolling:
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Might inscribe them now, “For World Domination of Zion”  :rolling:
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?

The coin inscriptions back then suggested that they were on the defense, but now they are aggressors in the media and in international politics.

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The coin inscriptions back then suggested that they were on the defense, but now they are aggressors in the media and in international politics.

Jewish people are aggressors in the media and international politics?  I don't understand what that means.  Give some examples.

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Jewish people are aggressors in the media and international politics?  I don't understand what that means.  Give some examples.

They have many political organizations which pressure governments all over the world to pass laws that make hand motions and certain opinions illegal (such as anything slightly questioning the Holocaust as the pro-Jewish organizations want to present it).  The most recent such law is in South Carolina.    In Germany, there are been many outrageous cases of citizens and tourists being jailed for nazi salutes or for speaking their mind about the Holocaust.  888high58888

Although it is by no means just a Jewish problem, the heavily Jewish US media is a propaganda machine full of lies and distortions. (Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, etc)  :2popcorn:


Israel also has been aggressive in their foreign policy.  They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.  Also, they killed quite a few Palestinians in the protests over the US Embassy move to Jerusalem.
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They have many political organizations which pressure governments all over the world to pass laws that make hand motions and certain opinions illegal (such as anything slightly questioning the Holocaust as the pro-Jewish organizations want to present it).  The most recent such law is in South Carolina.    In Germany, there are been many outrageous cases of citizens and tourists being jailed for nazi salutes or for speaking their mind about the Holocaust.  888high58888

Although it is by no means just a Jewish problem, the heavily Jewish US media is a propaganda machine full of lies and distortions. (Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, etc)  :2popcorn:


Israel also has been aggressive in their foreign policy.  They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.  Also, they killed quite a few Palestinians in the protests over the US Embassy move to Jerusalem.

You do understand that this is not an anti-semetic site, correct?  Global jewish conspiracies aren't generally encouraged here.

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They have many political organizations which pressure governments all over the world to pass laws that make hand motions and certain opinions illegal (such as anything slightly questioning the Holocaust as the pro-Jewish organizations want to present it).  The most recent such law is in South Carolina.    In Germany, there are been many outrageous cases of citizens and tourists being jailed for nazi salutes or for speaking their mind about the Holocaust.  888high58888
IMHO, the nazi salute should be as much protected speech as any other form of speech or expression. To me it speaks volumes about the character of the person making it. My interpretation of that character may differ greatly from that interpretation made by someone who might make that gesture.
Questioning the Holocaust how? That it ever happened? Plenty of evidence of that, including Nazi documents.
That it was overstated in victims? Hardly, because the focus on those victims who were Jewish left out the millions of others from a spectrum of religions who didn't fit the plans for world domination or "racial purity", whatever that is. Besides, the perpetrators were meticulous record keepers.
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Although it is by no means just a Jewish problem, the heavily Jewish US media is a propaganda machine full of lies and distortions. (Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, etc)  :2popcorn:
That isn't a Jewish problem, but widespread enough you may see whatever you are looking for in the mess of liberals and progressives, socialists and communists and even anarchists, all America-haters in general, who can be lumped under "totalitarians" or "statists" and are certainly misleading the American People, from the media to the Universities, for fun and profit.
I wouldn't go so far as to blame the problem on any one group other than that ideology they support.

Buggery and murder of the unborn are hardly in alignment with the teachings of the God of Abraham, and He made that well known, yet the Media are foursquare behind both.

I think any correlative situation you may find stands out because you are looking for it, but despite that apparent correlation, the causative ideology is not from following the Torah.
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Israel also has been aggressive in their foreign policy.  They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.  Also, they killed quite a few Palestinians in the protests over the US Embassy move to Jerusalem.
Any country, surrounded by a host of professed enemies who fire rockets into settlements and blow up buses full of schoolchildren in suicidal acts of terror, will be aggressive in its foreign policy. To be otherwise would be suicidal, ya think? Keep in mind that in the Tribal undercurrents of the Middle East's Politics, with rare exception, the nastiest SOB (who can keep all the tribes in line) runs the country. Israel may have its differing factions, but not to that extent.

The people who seemed most after Assad were working with Duh-1 to destabilize the circum-Mediterranean region for the purpose of installing the Caliphate, or at least a pan-regional Islamic state ruled by those radicals in league with ISIS/ISIL/IS. They were working with people in the Muslim Brotherhood, among others, and those agents of foreign destabilization went to the highest levels in the former Administration, right here in the US. The media backed these operations by ginning up furor over Khadaffi, Assad, Mubarak, and others. Only a fool would think the tools of a corrupt global media were not employed to their fullest in fomenting insurrection, with the very results that Christians were burned in their churches, much like the Mau-Maus did. See a pattern yet?
How does installing and facilitating the installation of radical Islamist states in a regional context benefit the Israelis?
That just means that any official semblance of diplomacy will go away and leave Israel surrounded by Islamists who desire the nation's destruction. Better to leave the reasonable governments in place where some sort of detente can be maintained than opt for the pan-Arabic jihad. However, hostile actions will be met with counter actions, as ever is the nature of such standoffs. If Assad's forces strike Israeli forces, there will be fire returned. It's the simple one-two of any cold war, a situation which perhaps best describes Israel's relations with most of its neighbors, except when they have attacked. 
Lucas, don't alienate possible vital personal allies thinking that one group which perpetrates evil is better than any other which does, just because 'they're on your side'--because such groups never are on YOUR side, they are self-serving, run by self serving people, who ultimately want one thing: power. If you ever get it wrong, or get in the way of someone even more ambitious or ruthless, even if you were 'faithful to the cause', you'll be next. That isn't freedom, any more than life under Stalin.

There are evil people from all backgrounds and walks of life. Be careful that you are not deceived by the finger pointing of some to deflect attention from their own perfidy. Any time someone speaks in sweeping generalizations and demands ANY group be summarily blamed for whatever ails you, they are not someone to follow.

And, FWIW, I am not Jewish, but Roman Catholic, at least in upbringing. Even so, I find myself disagreeing with our current Pontiff, at least as his edicts and proclamations have been reported. When In doubt, I turn to scripture.
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They have many political organizations which pressure governments all over the world to pass laws that make hand motions and certain opinions illegal (such as anything slightly questioning the Holocaust as the pro-Jewish organizations want to present it).  The most recent such law is in South Carolina.    In Germany, there are been many outrageous cases of citizens and tourists being jailed for nazi salutes or for speaking their mind about the Holocaust.  888high58888

Although it is by no means just a Jewish problem, the heavily Jewish US media is a propaganda machine full of lies and distortions. (Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, etc)  :2popcorn:


Israel also has been aggressive in their foreign policy.  They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.  Also, they killed quite a few Palestinians in the protests over the US Embassy move to Jerusalem.

As much as I hate simply shutting down discourse...it’s sometimes necessary to call bigotry out. Frankly, I find your posting to be a disgusting example of anti-Semitic garbage. For the record, anyone questioning the holocaust as “pro Jewish organizations want to present it” is not only a bigot, they are an historical ignoramous.

The holocaust occurred precisely as the vast number of historians and “pro Jewish” organizations have portrayed it...and the hard evidence is overwhelming and clear. I lived in Germany for four years and have walked the ground at Dachau and spoken with many elderly Germans who lived through the war...so spare me the garbage about the holocaust having been overstated.

In this country, you have a right to give a Nazi salute and to post whatever absurd bigotry you wish...and that tolerance of even the most heinous of expressions reflects  the greatness of America. But have no doubt, anti-Semitism and every other form of bigotry are disgusting and will be called out as the ill informed idiocies they are.



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The holocaust occurred precisely as the vast number of historians and “pro Jewish” organizations have portrayed it.

I just quoted this from you, because I think it is very telling.  Anyone familiar with modern historians and pro-Jewish organizations should have a strong reaction to this type of statement immediately.

I wouldn't try to learn sex education from Planned Parenthood or Abstinence groups.  I wouldn't try to learn about tobacco from the anti-smoking groups.  I wouldn't try to learn the Holocaust from biased Jewish groups.  Do I believe the Holocaust occurred and that nearly 6 million Jews died?  Yes, although I would like to study more about it before I can present a more definite opinion.

I hate racism, but I also hate it when leftists try to control what I can say or do.  There are many Jewish groups that are primarily composed of leftists who try to control what we say and do.  Agree or disagree? (just with this last sentence in particular)  Then of course there are many Jewish people who do not, but the prior statement holds.

Anyone who dislikes Jews because of their race, and there is a lot of that going around, is certainly in the wrong.  I just dislike certain individuals and groups among them for the aforementioned reasons.

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Smokin Joe, there is a lot to like in your post.  Without repeating what I just replied to Mesaclone, let me add a few rebuttals.

The point about the Holocaust is just as you stated about the nazi salute.  People should be able to express and present arguments about it in any way they please.  If I had a dime every time I saw a Jew on television questioning/insulting Christianity and other religions, I could open a lending bank.

As far as the media, you and I probably have different ideas about what they should be presenting, but there is doubtlessly a huge Jewish contingent in the media.  Are they organized?  The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

As far as Israel being surrounded by enemies, part of that is their own fault because they ripped the land away from their enemies to create their state.  Yes, Assad is self-serving and does not have a geniune love of Christians in his heart.  You are inserting much into what I said, and then correcting the fallacies that you yourself inserted.  What I want to know is if you disagree with what I actually said, which is "They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.".

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I just quoted this from you, because I think it is very telling.  Anyone familiar with modern historians and pro-Jewish organizations should have a strong reaction to this type of statement immediately.

I wouldn't try to learn sex education from Planned Parenthood or Abstinence groups.  I wouldn't try to learn about tobacco from the anti-smoking groups.  I wouldn't try to learn the Holocaust from biased Jewish groups.  Do I believe the Holocaust occurred and that nearly 6 million Jews died?  Yes, although I would like to study more about it before I can present a more definite opinion.

I hate racism, but I also hate it when leftists try to control what I can say or do.  There are many Jewish groups that are primarily composed of leftists who try to control what we say and do.  Agree or disagree? (just with this last sentence in particular)  Then of course there are many Jewish people who do not, but the prior statement holds.

Anyone who dislikes Jews because of their race, and there is a lot of that going around, is certainly in the wrong.  I just dislike certain individuals and groups among them for the aforementioned reasons.

The problem with that, @LucasWhite, is that the Judaism is not the cause of the problems with leftism.   There are many conservative Jews, some here on this forum.  You could just as easily tar Belgians or the Irish with the communist label, since many of them have been or are communists.  While many early communists were Jewish, many were not, most notably: Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, and Ho Chi Minh.

As for not wanting to learn from biased groups, I'm afraid we don't have the luxury to not do so.  Every group is formed with an agenda and carries some inherent biases.  As a fully-functioning adult, your job is to learn to identify those biases and work with and around them.  It's a very complicated and inhospitable world we live in.

Taking your arguments not in order, the next point is that Judaism is not a race.  To reduce it to such seems to be in order to justify some degree of animus towards Jews.  Is there another reason that you could use to justify such a categorization?  This type of reductionism also indicates poor thought processes.

You say you dislike "certain individuals and groups among them", but you are only talking Jews here and lumping them all into one monolithic category. 

For the last point, yes, leftists try to control what we think, see, hear and believe.  More and more, we see clearly that fascism is a leftist characteristic.  Unfortunately for your theory, fascism is and has been a feature of human life for as long as we have been around.

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The problem with that, @LucasWhite, is that the Judaism is not the cause of the problems with leftism.   There are many conservative Jews, some here on this forum.  You could just as easily tar Belgians or the Irish with the communist label, since many of them have been or are communists.  While many early communists were Jewish, many were not, most notably: Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, and Ho Chi Minh.

The problem with that, @Sanguine, is that the groups that push for the Holocaust-muzzle laws usually do not identify and name themselves as leftists.  They are in name and in action, in support of Jewish-focused causes, not of leftist-focused cause.  Your comparison of the Belgians and the Irish is truly absurd.  How many Belgian and Irish active political interest groups do we have operating in the US, in terms of numbers and funds, relative to the Jewish groups?  If someone started an Irish or Anglo group named as some of these Jewish groups are, and who promoted selfish causes in the way they do, they would be called racist in an instant.

 
As for not wanting to learn from biased groups, I'm afraid we don't have the luxury to not do so.  Every group is formed with an agenda and carries some inherent biases.  As a fully-functioning adult, your job is to learn to identify those biases and work with and around them.  It's a very complicated and inhospitable world we live in.

Everything is definitely biased, but there is a huge difference between trying to get an objective account of the Palestinian-Jewish conflict from a book written by a detached foreign academic, and from the PLO or some pro-Jewish organization.  Your argument therefore (obviously) does not hold.  We can, in fact, choose sources that are probably less biased than others.

Taking your arguments not in order, the next point is that Judaism is not a race.  To reduce it to such seems to be in order to justify some degree of animus towards Jews.  Is there another reason that you could use to justify such a categorization?  This type of reductionism also indicates poor thought processes.

People have and still do approach it as if it is a race.  Adolf Hitler directly and clearly stated in Mein Kampf that he hated them based on race alone, and not at all for their religion.

You say you dislike "certain individuals and groups among them", but you are only talking Jews here and lumping them all into one monolithic category. 

No, I'm not.  As for these individuals and groups among them, it is their Jewish identity, however, that they are choosing to let unify them for these causes.

For the last point, yes, leftists try to control what we think, see, hear and believe.  More and more, we see clearly that fascism is a leftist characteristic.  Unfortunately for your theory, fascism is and has been a feature of human life for as long as we have been around.

No contradiction here.  You are trying to make an illogical conclusion along the lines of "Person A states that Situation A exists today among Group A > Situation A has existed in the past among Groups B-Z > Person A is therefore stating that Situation A did not exist in the past among Groups B-Z".
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The problem with that, @Sanguine, is that the groups that push for the Holocaust-muzzle laws usually do not identify and name themselves as leftists.  They are in name and in action, in support of Jewish-focused causes, not of leftist-focused cause.  Your comparison of the Belgians and the Irish is truly absurd.  How many Belgian and Irish active political interest groups do we have operating in the US, in terms of numbers and funds, relative to the Jewish groups?  If someone started an Irish or Anglo group named as some of these Jewish groups are, and who promoted selfish causes in the way they do, they would be called racist in an instant.

I don't give a damn what they call themselves, that's not the issue.  We've got a guy running for the Senate down here and he calls himself Beto O’Rourke.  His first name isn't Beto, and he isn't Hispanic, but that's how he advertises himself because he thinks it works for him.   And, isn't MALDEF, La Raza, NAACP, ATZLAN a thing? Not sure what point you're trying to make other than you don't like that they identify as Jewish.

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Everything is definitely biased, but there is a huge difference between trying to get an objective account of the Palestinian-Jewish conflict from a book written by a detached foreign academic, and from the PLO or some pro-Jewish organization.  Your argument therefore (obviously) does not hold.  We can, in fact, choose sources that are probably less biased than others.

You didn't make the argument about more or less biased, therefore I didn't respond to a point you didn't make.  First of all "detached foreign academics" are few and far between, as it turns out, and it is still up to you as a big boy to do your homework and discern what is most likely true and what is not.

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People have and still do approach it as if it is a race.  Adolf Hitler directly and clearly stated in Mein Kampf that he hated them based on race alone, and not at all for their religion.

That's disappointing.  Your argument is because Adolf Hitler said it is so it must be?

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No, I'm not.  As for these individuals and groups among them, it is their Jewish identity, however, that they are choosing to let unify them for these causes.

No, not true.  None of these groups are here making any argument.  The argument is all yours. Now, you could have come back on this one and said: "no, I have no problems with Jews in general, and I recognize that they are not a big, monolithic group of bad people," but you went with doubling down on your original argument.

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No contradiction here.  You are trying to make an illogical conclusion along the lines of "Person A states that Situation A exists today among Group A > Situation A has existed in the past among Groups B-Z > Person A is therefore stating that Situation A did not exist in the past among Groups B-Z".

I have no idea how this relates to my statement. 
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The problem with that, @Sanguine, is that the groups that push for the Holocaust-muzzle laws usually do not identify and name themselves as leftists.  They are in name and in action, in support of Jewish-focused causes, not of leftist-focused cause. 

That they are largely leftist is hardly a surprise - The largest population of Jews until very recent times, was found in New York City. They tend, as a people, to be city dwelling, and urban areas are almost always infected with liberalism.

That does not make them wrong on this subject.

And as to your major point - 'Holocaust-muzzle' laws are largely enacted as a knee-jerk reaction to a vile, intentional, and organized historical revisionism. Were it not for the Jews, even now, we would not remember - I guarantee it. And it is an important thing to remember clearly. Them that don't remember will do it again.

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Your comparison of the Belgians and the Irish is truly absurd.  How many Belgian and Irish active political interest groups do we have operating in the US, in terms of numbers and funds, relative to the Jewish groups?

Not long past, the Catholic v. Protestant Irish kerfuffle spilled over into American politics and city life.
 
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Everything is definitely biased, but there is a huge difference between trying to get an objective account of the Palestinian-Jewish conflict from a book written by a detached foreign academic, and from the PLO or some pro-Jewish organization.  Your argument therefore (obviously) does not hold.  We can, in fact, choose sources that are probably less biased than others.

That is almost categorically false. Western academia and journalism almost invariably carry a pro-muslim bias, and that is being kind.

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People have and still do approach it as if it is a race.  Adolf Hitler directly and clearly stated in Mein Kampf that he hated them based on race alone, and not at all for their religion.

It has been a while, but what was 'clearly stated' in Mein Kampf has little to do with the truth. Hitler's organization was informed by ancient Germanic gods, and was deep in occult practices. To attempt to blunt the religious aspect of that war, is nothing short of a blatant denial of reality.


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Smokin Joe, there is a lot to like in your post.  Without repeating what I just replied to Mesaclone, let me add a few rebuttals.

The point about the Holocaust is just as you stated about the nazi salute.  People should be able to express and present arguments about it in any way they please.  If I had a dime every time I saw a Jew on television questioning/insulting Christianity and other religions, I could open a lending bank.

As far as the media, you and I probably have different ideas about what they should be presenting, but there is doubtlessly a huge Jewish contingent in the media.  Are they organized?  The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Do you think the people you see in the media, stumping for the exploitation of minorities and others, advocating for homosexuality (recall what happened in the Old Testament to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah), advocating for the slaughter of babies in the womb, are faithful followers of the Jewish Religion?
They may go through the motions, but their real God is evident, not in YHWH, but the self-serving doctrine they preach and the money they make from it.

Of course, there are soi-disant Christian factions which are tolerant of homosexuality, for instance, to the point where they 'marry' same-sex couples, too, and I would equally argue that these are false doctrines which do not lead people along the path The Almighty would have us choose, but into the depredations and miseries of evil living, and the eternal repercussions associated with the practice of abomination in the eyes of The Almighty.

Frankly, I understand that there is a huge contingent in the media who may pay lip service to a religion, but by their fruits (and many are their fruits) shall ye know them, regardless which religious group they lay claim to.

You have seen through their claims, and for that the individuals character should be noted, but the few hundreds of people who really control what ends up on your television should hardly be the metric by which you (or anyone else) judges groups consisting of millions of people who practice what those false prophets only lay claim to.

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As far as Israel being surrounded by enemies, part of that is their own fault because they ripped the land away from their enemies to create their state.  Yes, Assad is self-serving and does not have a geniune love of Christians in his heart.  You are inserting much into what I said, and then correcting the fallacies that you yourself inserted.  What I want to know is if you disagree with what I actually said, which is "They recently tried to overthrow Assad, which would have resulted in the Christians in Syria being massacred when the Sunnis or Islamic extremists took over.  They have openly threatened to kill him.".

As for 'ripping away land', shall we discuss "Manifest Destiny"?

At least the Israeli people have an historical claim to the land they conquered long ago, after having been themselves conquered and dispersed by others. Conquest and displacement are a fact of history, and a sea of Christian and Muslim blood was shed over the same soil as well as Hebrew blood. Doubtless a host of Pagans of various belief contributed to that sanguinary baptism of that well contended plot, including the Phillistines, the Romans, and others who were killed off in the original Hebrew conquest of the region.

. Aside from the connection to religiously important locations, I fail to see what attraction that particular patch of real estate has, but I have never been there. There are certainly areas with far more mineral wealth, even better farmland, and better ports.

So I am left to conclude it is the same religious attraction for an area which contains significant sites in the history of the Hebrews which is the factor, just as it was for the Christian Crusaders or the Muslims who fought over the same turf.
By all means, if you want to comment on the placement of Israel, or the migration of people there who feel more safe and that they have better prospects for prosperity there than they did where they were living (not so unlike the migration of immigrants from Northern Europe to the US as it grew, just the locals here didn't have bomb vests and artillery), then you would have to comment on the migration of any people to a specific area on the planet, because everyone, literally, has done it--and this nation is a shining example.

I would suggest the group for which you should reserve your enmity is not delineated along any racial or religious lines, but along philosophical ones. Those in the media are united by their own catechism, that of Marxist Libertines, and they are proselytizing at the top of their lungs form the highest vantage points they can reach, but for those of us who see through the patently evil, historically destructive, and commonly patently immoral nonsense they spew, they are indeed creatures worthy of our pity and utmost contempt.  They lead generations into lifetimes of abject misery and even actions leading to their death, glorifying that which is unwholesome by any metric.

You see, the funny thing, is that if you were to ignore the spiritual ramifications of the Bible (both Testaments), you would still come up with a great manual for the human being to live a long, productive, and happy life, especially if everyone followed those guidelines. What loving Creator would create a species and not give them an operator's manual, after all? Now, just like the owner's manual for your car, your snow thrower, your lawnmower, you are free to ignore the advice contained within, at, of course, your peril. As anyone who has reached under the deck of a running lawnmower could attest, the good reasons can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Back, however to the Media, and I apologize for my rambling, but for now they are groups of people who likely know one another through whatever social mechanisms they frequent, who have a shared, if flawed ideology, and they are pushing that ideology for fun and profit. They may share other aspects of their lives, but the seminal thing they share is their espousement of deeply flawed ideologies and behaviours, often in direct conflict with the very things they claim, in faux altruism, to be or seek.

I would postulate that what you, and I, and any red-blooded American loathes about these people has nothing to do with anything but the crap they spew among masses who have been undereducated only to lap up that swill, believe the fables, and chant in the streets thinking it to be meaningful speech rather than the mindless ranting of people who have been convinced they are somehow disaffected in a country with the world's fattest poor people who have housing, electric lights, television, cell phones, and automobiles or other mechanized transport as a matter of course.

I would hold the vast majority of the talking heads, newsreaders, and those behind the scenes in contempt, regardless of their claimed religion, race, sexual preferences, lineage, eating habits and relationships with their family pets. I am an equal opportunity despiser of that which is wrong.

But we can no more silence them in the name of free speech, than allow them to silence us in their claims of 'freedom', and all we can do is to subvert their hideous doctrines of child murder, of sexual perversion, of lurid violence in the name of 'peace'. Small wonder they and the Islamists are so similar, in that for each, the vision of 'peace' involves an absence of dissent.

It is up to us to provide that dissent, to counter that flawed ideology, to point out the self-destructive nature of the behaviours they espouse, to point out the lies at every turn, and that hate, no matter who it is directed against always rebounds onto the user who wields it as a weapon. It is fair and just to hate the mechanisms, even the beliefs which the purveyors of "progressivism" broadcast, but to hate any group of people only peripherally associated with the purveyors, no matter how many of the purveyors of that dreck claim to be members, is only destructive to the goal of sane, rational, and constructive discourse.

If nothing else, it only hands the opposition a brickbat with which to bludgeon those who dissent, to deflect from the real issues, and to discredit the real messages and lessons that need to be taught to a multitude largely ignorant.

As to Assad, perhaps they have tried to have him removed, by whatever means. Any country with a neighbor who is openly hostile (as in bombs, tanks, artillery, and troops hostile) will do what they can to promote a regime change. What would ensue from that? Well, another nasty bastard would take over, of course. That they would likely do what the Muslim Brotherhood affiliated groups did in Egypt and Libya and other places is a given, provided they were of that same bent. Would those associated with other sects of Islam, and non-Islamic peoples be persecuted? Certainly, provided the new Chief SOB was from an Islamic sect bent that way.

If you want to point a finger, go back to the Balfour agreement, and the partition of the region which ignored every sane division made upon tribal boundaries and imposed arbitrary political subdivisions which only insured the internal and even international conflict which has ensued. (oddly enough, you will find geographic disparities in most of these United States, which ever divide even the citizenry here at that level, albeit more civil in its usual disagreement).
What better revenge for the Ottoman Empire than to divide those tribes and countries as to render them generally ineffective as a political coalition? Regardless of your feelings about Obama, he and his handlers apparently were either seeking or permitting that general single-banner reunification of the Caliphate, Ottoman II, whatever you want to call it, taking in North Africa and even the sub-Saharan regions as well, in the Dream of his Father to oust the white invaders, once and for all.
I do not think The actions of the US Dept of State can be ignored in this mess, either, in the past nor present.
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Every person that has the DNA to be a member of the present dominant species are all the same. Any reference to, or reverence to.. the "holy" land is mere political endurance. Or the result of the mechanization thereof. Read the oldest historical records, ALL of them.

There isn't any chosen group. Unless that group means the entire human race.

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I don't give a damn what they call themselves, that's not the issue.  We've got a guy running for the Senate down here and he calls himself Beto O’Rourke.  His first name isn't Beto, and he isn't Hispanic, but that's how he advertises himself because he thinks it works for him.   And, isn't MALDEF, La Raza, NAACP, ATZLAN a thing? Not sure what point you're trying to make other than you don't like that they identify as Jewish.

It's the entire issue and has often been historically (in their various banishments from nations).  The most important aspect of some Jewish extremists lives is their Jewishness, and that is more important to these extremists than fair laws to others.

You didn't make the argument about more or less biased, therefore I didn't respond to a point you didn't make.  First of all "detached foreign academics" are few and far between, as it turns out, and it is still up to you as a big boy to do your homework and discern what is most likely true and what is not.

Back to my original statement, "I wouldn't try to learn sex education from Planned Parenthood or Abstinence groups.  I wouldn't try to learn about tobacco from the anti-smoking groups.  I wouldn't try to learn the Holocaust from biased Jewish groups."  From this you said, "As for not wanting to learn from biased groups, I'm afraid we don't have the luxury to not do so."  Now you are admitting that there are at least a few unbiased academics, but yes I agree there are few.

That's disappointing.  Your argument is because Adolf Hitler said it is so it must be?

Here you go again making what the hipsters call a straw man argument.  My argument is clearly not that, but that they have been treated as a race in many situations including in what to them is seemingly the end-all moment of history, the Holocaust.

No, not true.  None of these groups are here making any argument.  The argument is all yours. Now, you could have come back on this one and said: "no, I have no problems with Jews in general, and I recognize that they are not a big, monolithic group of bad people," but you went with doubling down on your original argument.

Oh gee, this "monolithic group of bad people" statement is your own distortion and addition to what I said.  I am clearly saying only some of them, but they do seemingly have more political advocates than most other demographic groups (relative to their population).  Their political groups are numerous and allowed to exert more influence than an Anglo-Defense Group or the like, because many people feel sorry for them because of the Holocaust, and because they are in many cases well-financed.


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It's the entire issue and has often been historically (in their various banishments from nations).  The most important aspect of some Jewish extremists lives is their Jewishness, and that is more important to these extremists than fair laws to others.

Back to my original statement, "I wouldn't try to learn sex education from Planned Parenthood or Abstinence groups.  I wouldn't try to learn about tobacco from the anti-smoking groups.  I wouldn't try to learn the Holocaust from biased Jewish groups."  From this you said, "As for not wanting to learn from biased groups, I'm afraid we don't have the luxury to not do so."  Now you are admitting that there are at least a few unbiased academics, but yes I agree there are few.

Here you go again making what the hipsters call a straw man argument.  My argument is clearly not that, but that they have been treated as a race in many situations including in what to them is seemingly the end-all moment of history, the Holocaust.

Oh gee, this "monolithic group of bad people" statement is your own distortion and addition to what I said.  I am clearly saying only some of them, but they do seemingly have more political advocates than most other demographic groups (relative to their population).  Their political groups are numerous and allowed to exert more influence than an Anglo-Defense Group or the like, because many people feel sorry for them because of the Holocaust, and because they are in many cases well-financed.

Interesting argument technique:
Me: "Quoting you, you said X and it is wrong because Y."
You: "No, you're wrong because B and C and I really said G and R."
Me:  "Can't argue with that, since even you aren't clear as to what your position is and keep shifting it."

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It's the entire issue and has often been historically (in their various banishments from nations).  The most important aspect of some Jewish extremists lives is their Jewishness, and that is more important to these extremists than fair laws to others.

Back to my original statement, "I wouldn't try to learn sex education from Planned Parenthood or Abstinence groups.  I wouldn't try to learn about tobacco from the anti-smoking groups.  I wouldn't try to learn the Holocaust from biased Jewish groups."  From this you said, "As for not wanting to learn from biased groups, I'm afraid we don't have the luxury to not do so."  Now you are admitting that there are at least a few unbiased academics, but yes I agree there are few.

Here you go again making what the hipsters call a straw man argument.  My argument is clearly not that, but that they have been treated as a race in many situations including in what to them is seemingly the end-all moment of history, the Holocaust.

Oh gee, this "monolithic group of bad people" statement is your own distortion and addition to what I said.  I am clearly saying only some of them, but they do seemingly have more political advocates than most other demographic groups (relative to their population).  Their political groups are numerous and allowed to exert more influence than an Anglo-Defense Group or the like, because many people feel sorry for them because of the Holocaust, and because they are in many cases well-financed.
If you want to hammer on something in the Media, how about hammering on Homosexuals and other sexual deviants*, who are grossly overrepresented, both on camera and off.

Small groups tend to define their worldview by their associates, and then project that concept of normalcy on the rest of the population. This is evident especially in the 'entertainment' industry, but occurs in cadres from Capitol Hill to the local Rotary Club. In this case, a couple of groups have a microphone and a camera to have a more prominent than usual presence, but that doesn't make them any more what they self-identify as than any other blatant fiction is truth. If anything, it detracts from those who can claim an affiliation with that group because they practice those tenets in their daily lives, by giving a larger than life appearance of that group being something quite different. 
Having greater access to media (and the freedom to use it) means one group has better promoted their destruction in that event, but the information of the slaughter of other groups is appearing, too, especially since the fall of the Iron Curtain. Considering the Soviets had a hand in similar activities, much of the other information was suppressed, not by ostensibly Jewish people, but by the Governments of the regions in which those horrors were perpetrated. Many of those who survived the Nazi camps did not survive subsequent repressive regimes long enough to tell their stories, and much of that is still coming to light.

*Before people begin pissing and moaning about calling homosexuals "sexual deviants", if it was not deviation from what really is normal, it would neither have a name nor special status as a protected group. QED
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