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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #650 on: July 03, 2018, 10:59:39 pm »
Dog whistle words like "virtue signaling?"

As a general rule, any time liberals accuse you of doing something wrong, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #651 on: July 03, 2018, 11:01:04 pm »
Nonsense.  Go read some history.
Read some medicine, counselor.

About 11 in 1000 pregnancies is ectopic. Rare enough, and a medical issue.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #652 on: July 03, 2018, 11:01:38 pm »
I guess individual liberty really isn’t much of a conservative value after all.

I had no idea that individual liberty included killing someone.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #653 on: July 03, 2018, 11:10:17 pm »
I had no idea that individual liberty included killing someone.

Someone who never did a thing to anyone... ever.

But WTF.   The law is the law. 
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« Reply #654 on: July 03, 2018, 11:11:22 pm »
I had no idea that individual liberty included killing someone.

Guess you don’t believe in self-defense, ever, under any circumstances, then.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #655 on: July 03, 2018, 11:12:19 pm »
Guess you don’t believe in self-defense, ever, under any circumstances, then.

/snicker
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« Reply #656 on: July 03, 2018, 11:13:28 pm »
/snicker

Nor do you, apparently. 

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #658 on: July 03, 2018, 11:19:38 pm »
Guess you don’t believe in self-defense, ever, under any circumstances, then.

Because this one will beat you like a rented mule?



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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #659 on: July 03, 2018, 11:20:16 pm »
Guess you don’t believe in self-defense, ever, under any circumstances, then.

Nor do I believe in killing for convenience in self defense.

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« Reply #660 on: July 03, 2018, 11:21:37 pm »
Because this one will beat you like a rented mule?



To everything there is a season...
There are times when self defense is appropriate, and times when it is not.


So then the concept of individual liberty is not inconsistent with the concept that not all killing is of should be proscribed?


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« Reply #661 on: July 03, 2018, 11:22:19 pm »
Nor do I believe in killing for convenience in self defense.
Well, it is generally convenient to not be the one under the sheet or in the bag, but paperwork sucks.
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« Reply #662 on: July 03, 2018, 11:22:50 pm »
Nor do I believe in killing for convenience in self defense.

What does that even mean? 

It’s a very simple point:  is the concept of individual liberty consistent, or not, with the concept that not all killing is or should be proscribed?

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #663 on: July 03, 2018, 11:24:49 pm »
Dear All:  this thread has been quite ... invigorating, but I would like to motion for a truce for the rest of tonight and tomorrow in honor of the Fourth of July. 

Any seconds?

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #664 on: July 03, 2018, 11:28:37 pm »
What does that even mean? 

It’s a very simple point:  is the concept of individual liberty consistent, or not, with the concept that not all killing is or should be proscribed?


My point is your's is a red herring.

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« Reply #665 on: July 03, 2018, 11:31:26 pm »
Guess you don’t believe in self-defense, ever, under any circumstances, then.

lol, this is like arguing with an eight-year-old.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #666 on: July 03, 2018, 11:32:48 pm »
Dear All:  this thread has been quite ... invigorating, but I would like to motion for a truce for the rest of tonight and tomorrow in honor of the Fourth of July. 

Any seconds?

Guess not.  Ah well.  Enjoy the Fourth, everyone.

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« Reply #667 on: July 03, 2018, 11:33:42 pm »
It’s a very simple point:  is the concept of individual liberty consistent, or not, with the concept that not all killing is or should be proscribed?

So who gets to decide whether a killing is legal or not?  State law, perhaps?
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #668 on: July 03, 2018, 11:35:00 pm »
So then the concept of individual liberty is not inconsistent with the concept that not all killing is of should be proscribed?
The concept that lethal force may be employed to mitigate an immediate and  unprovoked threat of lethal force against one's person is well ensconced in American jurisprudence. We consider defending against an attacker to be acceptable, provided we did not instigate the issue, and that we are responding to a similar level of force.

If a little old lady attacks me with a stuffed animal, shooting her is out of the question.
If she draws down on me with a firearm, it's a different story.

Implicit in the situation, however, is the concept that an unprovoked (especially by physical action or illegal behaviour) attack employing potentially lethal force or with a weapon capable of serious injury or death may be responded to legally using lethal force.

That does not mean you must respond to the degree the threat is killed, but is an affirmative defense or legal justification if they are.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #669 on: July 03, 2018, 11:36:28 pm »
Dear All:  this thread has been quite ... invigorating, but I would like to motion for a truce for the rest of tonight and tomorrow in honor of the Fourth of July. 

Any seconds?

Maybe a Mod could hit the pause button.  Then we could hit it again on the 5th..or hit a 5th. 

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« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2018, 11:38:32 pm »
So who gets to decide whether a killing is legal or not?  State law, perhaps?
Yes, actually. Concealed carry laws work hand-in-glove with lethal force laws, and it pays to know what the laws are.  Some places only permit the use of lethal force to defend self or another party who cannot defend themselves, others permit the defense of property using lethal force, too.

If you think you may ever be in that position, know your State's laws on the matter. 
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #671 on: July 03, 2018, 11:39:34 pm »
Maybe a Mod could hit the pause button.  Then we could hit it again on the 5th..or hit a 5th.

...to be continued on the 5th...
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #672 on: July 03, 2018, 11:39:46 pm »
Guess not.  Ah well.  Enjoy the Fourth, everyone.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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