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Washington (CNN) Republican Sen. Susan Collins, a key vote in the coming Supreme Court confirmation fight, said Sunday she would not support a nominee hostile to the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade.

"I would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to Roe v. Wade because that would mean to me that their judicial philosophy did not include a respect for established decisions, established law," Collins said on CNN's "State of the Union."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/01/politics/susan-collins-supreme-court/index.html
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 03:50:29 pm »
Washington (CNN) Republican Sen. Susan Collins, a key vote in the coming Supreme Court confirmation fight, said Sunday she would not support a nominee hostile to the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade.

"I would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to Roe v. Wade because that would mean to me that their judicial philosophy did not include a respect for established decisions, established law," Collins said on CNN's "State of the Union."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/01/politics/susan-collins-supreme-court/index.html

So, I take from this..... that if the nominee is not "hostile" to Roe v. Wade.... that the GOP will then have her vote?   Who the hell is she kidding?  We've seen her voting record.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 03:54:50 pm »
Washington (CNN) Republican Sen. Susan Collins, a key vote in the coming Supreme Court confirmation fight, said Sunday she would not support a nominee hostile to the landmark abortion ruling in Roe v. Wade.

"I would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to Roe v. Wade because that would mean to me that their judicial philosophy did not include a respect for established decisions, established law," Collins said on CNN's "State of the Union."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/01/politics/susan-collins-supreme-court/index.html

Respect for precedent is a hallmark of a conservative jurist.  Whatever you may think of Roe v. Wade,  the Constitutional right it represents has been relied on for over forty years - by every woman today of child-bearing age, in fact.   If Roe is to go, it must be done so by the peoples' elected representatives, not the courts.    I think Justice Roberts especially knows this well,   and I do not believe Roe will be overturned no matter who the President nominates to the Court.   But I do not disagree with Sen. Collins'  statement - a Justice that would overturn Roe is not acting as a conservative jurist.   
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 03:57:05 pm »
So, I take from this..... that if the nominee is not "hostile" to Roe v. Wade.... that the GOP will then have her vote?   Who the hell is she kidding?  We've seen her voting record.

She is signaling not opposition to the President but rather her view that she will support a nominee who respects precedent.   Whoever is nominated will face this question,  and Sen. Collins is signaling that, to win her vote, he or she must answer it.   
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 03:59:10 pm »
Collins: White House has expanded its list of potential Supreme Court picks

By Brett Samuels  - 07/01/18 08:49 AM EDT
 

The White House has expanded its list of potential Supreme Court nominees after Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) urged President Trump to broaden his search, the GOP senator said Sunday.

"The White House counsel told me there have been a few additional, potential nominees added to that list," Collins said during an interview on ABC's "This Week" while discussing her meeting with Trump earlier this week.

Collins said that she suggested Trump broaden his search beyond the list of 25 candidates that the White House released in November. The senator told ABC that Trump has added five judges to that list.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395048-collins-trump-should-not-feel-bound-by-pre-existing-list-of-supreme-court
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 04:03:12 pm »
As long as the candidate does not have a record on the issue, and states that he/she is unable to answer questions re: abortion because they may be required to rule on them, it should be OK.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 04:10:08 pm »
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 04:11:06 pm »
In other words, Collins won't support a pick who believes in following the Constitution of the United States of America - an oath that she swore to uphold.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 04:12:25 pm »
As long as the candidate does not have a record on the issue, and states that he/she is unable to answer questions re: abortion because they may be required to rule on them, it should be OK.


The question is whether it will be OK to Sen. Collins.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 04:13:40 pm »
In other words, Collins won't support a pick who believes in following the Constitution of the United States of America - an oath that she swore to uphold.

The Constitution of the United States says that abortion is legal.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2018, 04:16:37 pm »
The Constitution of the United States says that abortion is legal.

No, it doesn't.  The right to life is an unalienable right.

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2018, 04:16:37 pm »
The Constitution of the United States says that abortion is legal.

This again.   **nononono*
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2018, 04:18:12 pm »
Collins said that she suggested Trump broaden his search beyond the list of 25 candidates that the White House released in November. The senator told ABC that Trump has added five judges to that list.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395048-collins-trump-should-not-feel-bound-by-pre-existing-list-of-supreme-court


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Mr. Trump said conservative voters should be assured that his next choice will be “really talented and of our views.” Asked specifically whether he would pick from the list of candidates he put forward in the campaign, Mr. Trump was unequivocal: “Yes,” he said, adding, “That list was a big thing.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/30/trump-to-stick-with-conservative-list-for-next-sup/


Days ago.....


President Trump said Wednesday that Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's replacement will come from a list of 25 possible nominees that was released by the White House in November. Kennedy announced his retirement Wednesday, saying he will step down effective July 31.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trumps-supreme-court-justice-list-justice-kennedy-retirement-president-replace-list-of-25-2018-06-27/

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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2018, 04:18:18 pm »
She is signaling not opposition to the President but rather her view that she will support a nominee who respects precedent.

Ah, yes.   Precedent.  That's what kept segregation alive in this country for over half a century.  Precedent.  How dare the Brown justices overturn the "precedent" of Plessy.  How dare them look to the Constitution as their basis for ruling instead of simply choosing to ignore the Constitution while embracing "precedent".
 

Whoever is nominated will face this question,  and Sen. Collins is signaling that, to win her vote, he or she must answer it.

So whoever is nominated must explain why it would have been better to rule in favor of the Topeka Board of Education instead of doing what the Constitution of the United States of America says.  Good luck with that.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2018, 04:18:30 pm »
She is signaling not opposition to the President but rather her view that she will support a nominee who respects precedent.   Whoever is nominated will face this question,  and Sen. Collins is signaling that, to win her vote, he or she must answer it.

Yeah.... I know exactly what she is "signalling".   Like the perfect little RINO twit, she's making a threat to Trump.  Crystal clear.  Her leftie buds are all, no doubt, applauding as we speak.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2018, 04:18:44 pm »
No, it doesn't.  The right to life is an unalienable right.

So is the right to liberty.   
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2018, 04:20:43 pm »
The Constitution of the United States says that abortion is legal.

Where, exactly, does it say that?
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2018, 04:25:18 pm »
Ah, yes.   Precedent.  That's what kept segregation alive in this country for over half a century.  Precedent.  How dare the Brown justices overturn the "precedent" of Plessy.  How dare them look to the Constitution as their basis for ruling instead of simply choosing to ignore the Constitution while embracing "precedent".

The existing precedent is that women have the right to decide for themselves whether to reproduce.   The examples you cite are of the courts overturning precedents that deny rights.  Show me one where precedent establishing a fundamental right has been overturned and the right taken away. 


You despise courts that would take away your precious gun right.   Yet you demand the Court take away the right your daughter enjoys to live her own life free of interference from the State's diktat.   
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2018, 04:25:45 pm »
Ah, yes.   Precedent.  That's what kept segregation alive in this country for over half a century.  Precedent.  How dare the Brown justices overturn the "precedent" of Plessy.  How dare them look to the Constitution as their basis for ruling instead of simply choosing to ignore the Constitution while embracing "precedent".
 

So whoever is nominated must explain why it would have been better to rule in favor of the Topeka Board of Education instead of doing what the Constitution of the United States of America says.  Good luck with that.

"Precedent" is very important to people who have divorced themselves from the direct meaning of the words of the Constitution, and instead place their trust in the tender sensibilities of robed tyrants.
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2018, 04:26:17 pm »
The Constitution of the United States says that abortion is legal.

If you want change one has to admit the reality of the situation (abortion was ruled constitutional by prior a court) and work from there.

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2018, 04:26:32 pm »
Where, exactly, does it say that?


Where does it say it’s illegal? 

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2018, 04:26:48 pm »
Where, exactly, does it say that?

Marbury v. Madison.   
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Re: Collins: Won’t Support SCOTUS Pick Hostile To Abortion Rights
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2018, 04:29:43 pm »
Marbury v. Madison.

That's a court ruling.... based on the "interpretation" by judges.... on what the US Constitution guarantees.   But "abortion is legal" is nowhere IN the constitution, nor was it ever intended to be.
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2018, 04:32:06 pm »
That's a court ruling.... based on the "interpretation" by judges.... on what the US Constitution guarantees.   But "abortion is legal" is nowhere IN the constitution, nor was it ever intended to be.


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Marbury v. Madison is the only thing standing between an effective Second Amendment and that provision being ignored with impunity by gun-control friendly legislatures. 

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