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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/trump-says-harley-davidson-using-trade-tensions-as-an-excuse.html

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A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!
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Playing to his base...nothing more.

Naturally, they're loving it...MAGA!!!
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Obama directly attacked Staples for cutting hours thanks to Obamacare. Trump is directly attacking Harley Davidson for moving jobs thanks to his tariffs. Big government interventionism destroys companies, then blames the companies.

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Pure Fascism.

Do what government demands, or get punished by Dear Leader using Alphabets and the IRS to destroy you.

Obama/Trump - same difference, different targets.   Like the National Socialist Workers versus the Communists. 
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Loving it.   Harley is dog food!
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 ***hair on fire

On the other hand I think we’ll somehow survive.

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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.

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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.

Uh-huh....like hell you don't. 
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.   

On the other hand,  the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous.   As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade,  I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets.  And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.

I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.     
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.

The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.

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Uh-huh....like hell you don't.

No, I really don't.  I don't want gov't thinking they can target individual businesses.

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The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.

Both were weak lily livered losers. 
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.   

On the other hand,  the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous.   As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade,  I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets.  And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.

I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.   

I agree.

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The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.

IMO Carter gets a bum rap, the guy actually deregulated a large part of the transportation industry.

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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.   

On the other hand,  the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous.   As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade,  I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets.

I pointed out in another thread that the EU tariff was actually less than the VAT and other taxes they impose on their own domestically made products in many cases. In Denmark for example, they have a 100% VAT tax (it was 180% up until a few years ago) on cars made in the EU. In other words, even with a 20% tariff on autos, that was an 80% tax discount over a German made car. It actually encouraged importation to the point, Ford had been selling more cars in Europe than many European brands.

If the EU wants to punish their citizens with a tariff (after all it is the consumer who pays) that doesn't make it right for us to do so.

It also meant that in some cases, like with BMW and some Porsche models, it was cheaper for them to open plants here, make them here, and import them back to Europe with the 20% tariff versus EU VAT. many German labels you see on American rodes were made in Kentucky and Tennessee.

At that, as we see with the case of Ford's sales there, if you don't have government interventionism and let our companies figure it out and adapt, we win. Even in spite of what the EU does.
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IMO Carter gets a bum rap, the guy actually deregulated a large part of the transportation industry.

And look how well that turned out.  You meet a better class of people on a Hound than in the air today.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.

Harley making bikes in Europe for Europe seems like a sane thing to do. However they (Europe) have
high tariffs to protect their market as does much of the world. So maybe we should do the same. I
don't think it is a good idea to target one company, in fact I think that is illegal (Bill of Attainder)

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""Harley must know that they won't be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!" Trump said in another tweet Tuesday."

Stating a fact is not "fascism," ferchrissakes.

 

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And look how well that turned out.  You meet a better class of people on a Hound than in the air today.

Welp ticket prices and such went way way down which made air travel affordable for most people.

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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.   

On the other hand,  the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous.   As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade,  I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets.  And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.

I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.     

The EU imposed tariffs on Harley’s in response to Dear Leader’s tariffs and his trade war.  Your blame should be placed accordingly. 

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Welp ticket prices and such went way way down which made air travel affordable for most people.

I know.  That is when the riff-raff started flying and ruined air travel for all decent folk who had to fly in order to make a living. 
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No, I really don't.  I don't want gov't thinking they can target individual businesses.

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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.


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Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.

It's not about the tariff.  It's about POTUS calling out another private company.

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Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.

Reagan's tariffs in this case were extremely targeted and shortly reversed. Almost all non-wartime presidents have had cases of small, targeted tariffs.  They were not blanket tariffs of this scale, nor did he attack the private companies or the free market in how they reacted. 

Tariffs on this scale have a more close relation to those enacted by Jimmy Carter or Woodrow Wilson. Attacking private companies like this is very much akin to an Obama tactic. Using the power of the federal government in such a massive, central planning factor like this would, in most cases (and we called out Obama for this) fall under the definition of the 'marriage between corporate and State'.