Insurrection is Here; How Long do We have Until Civil War 2.0 Starts?

[rangerrebew]

June 25, 2018
Insurrection is Here; How Long do We have Until Civil War 2.0 Starts?
By Peter Barry Chowka

Organized lawlessness is spreading to cities across the United States but the news is almost totally ignored and blacked out by the mainstream media.

These ominous uprisings are taking various forms but the most visible and aggressive ones involve Antifa-style “occupy” socialist and anarchist street mobs dedicated to taking down ICE – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government policing agency that is part of the Department of Homeland Security. The impetus for these actions has been the anti-President Trump Fake News psy-op meme that claims minor children of illegal immigrants arrested for crashing the U.S./Mexico border are being separated from their parents, sent to “Nazi”-like “concentration camps,” and systematically mistreated.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/insurrection_is_here_how_long_do_we_have_until_civil_war_20_starts.html#ixzz5JTKtHmlt
 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

It will happen, just do not know when.

Sorta like death and Judgement Day.

[RoosGirl]

Per a comment I saw this morning, if it were up to at least one Trump supporter here it would have already started, so let's not pretend it's only leftists.

[Free Vulcan]

My prediction is the next economic downturn.

[ABX]

It won't happen, at least not the way many fear/hope for. There won't be lines of people out shooting each other. There won't be state militia and guard against each other. There won't be patriots(sic) lining up to shoot or hang politicians.

If anything, it will be a cold war.

It will be a war of the media, a war of capital, and a war of information. Extremists on all sides will line up to boycott any business owned by someone of the opposite political cause- it doesn't matter if they are not active and will serve anyone- if they have a D or R behind their donations, they are the enemy to the opposite side. We will see the media even more polarized. We will see mobs of people demand that employers fire employees who think a certain way (how can you have such a racist hateful bigot representing your company?)
It will be a war of ideas.

BUT, I also believe anything like this will burn out quickly. There probably is 10% of people on each extreme who will actively take part in actions like this. They will be very vocal and seem like more than they are. But in the short time, the other 80% will burn out on all this very quickly. They will be made up of the uninformed, those who don't care, those who don't trust either extreme, or those who are just sick of it. They will be the ones who will look at their neighbor of the opposite political spectrum and decide that, no, they don't hate that person and they won't be led down that path.

I also don't believe there is one singular righteous cause (for lack of a better term) that will unify the masses. There are a lot of little events but they all galvanize around the game of politics.

Neither side is certainly not fighting for Liberty- the extremes on both sides just want control. Neither side is fighting for something like slavery. And no, I don't think Abortion is that issue even though people are passionate about it, those aren't the ones who would fight a 'hot war'. They certainly aren't going to take up arms because someone insulted their favorite politician.

At best, people won't leave the comfort of their recliners and what they think is the anonymity of the internet. Even the Tea Party burned out as it fractioned. Antifa even seems to have burned out, people got sick of them. You do see small little groups taking action, but those are 4-5 like we saw yelling at the Homeland Secretary director in a restaurant, not a massive movement.

I think we already passed some major issues people would have taken up arms over and no matter what they said was their red line, they just bitched and moaned on the internet. In short, the ones who are the most vocal are probably the most cowardly. They've been screaming 'CWII' for decades and never left their computers.

[ABX]

Per a comment I saw this morning, if it were up to at least one Trump supporter here it would have already started, so let's not pretend it's only leftists.

Hell, the freeper types have been having wet dreams for a CWII since the late 90s. Long before Trump. And they'll still be dreaming about it long after he left office.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I could see it happen this way: chaos, then a constitutional crisis.

[RoosGirl]

Hell, the freeper types have been having wet dreams for a CWII since the late 90s. Long before Trump. And they'll still be dreaming about it long after he left office.

Yep.  Hopefully the actual violence we saw during the campaign is the worst of it.

[WingNot]

I could see it happen this way: chaos, then a constitutional crisis.

I wan't to see cracked skulls like the 68 Rat convention. 

[ABX]

Yep.  Hopefully the actual violence we saw during the campaign is the worst of it.

Other than the one guy running down protesters in his car, most of that was less than you saw in Philadelphia when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. (burning cars & trash cans, etc)

[ABX]

I wan't to see cracked skulls like the 68 Rat convention.

Well, why are you sitting behind the computer?

Everyone wants someone else do to the lifting to light the spark.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Well, why are you sitting behind the computer?

Because he doesn't want to go to jail. Neither do I.

On the other hand when riots break out I usually break out the hot air popper, cue up one of the riot channels on Youtube and settle in for some nice riot porn.

[Free Vulcan]

It won't happen, at least not the way many fear/hope for. There won't be lines of people out shooting each other. There won't be state militia and guard against each other. There won't be patriots(sic) lining up to shoot or hang politicians.

If anything, it will be a cold war.

It will be a war of the media, a war of capital, and a war of information. Extremists on all sides will line up to boycott any business owned by someone of the opposite political cause- it doesn't matter if they are not active and will serve anyone- if they have a D or R behind their donations, they are the enemy to the opposite side. We will see the media even more polarized. We will see mobs of people demand that employers fire employees who think a certain way (how can you have such a racist hateful bigot representing your company?)
It will be a war of ideas.

BUT, I also believe anything like this will burn out quickly. There probably is 10% of people on each extreme who will actively take part in actions like this. They will be very vocal and seem like more than they are. But in the short time, the other 80% will burn out on all this very quickly. They will be made up of the uninformed, those who don't care, those who don't trust either extreme, or those who are just sick of it. They will be the ones who will look at their neighbor of the opposite political spectrum and decide that, no, they don't hate that person and they won't be led down that path.

I also don't believe there is one singular righteous cause (for lack of a better term) that will unify the masses. There are a lot of little events but they all galvanize around the game of politics.

Neither side is certainly not fighting for Liberty- the extremes on both sides just want control. Neither side is fighting for something like slavery. And no, I don't think Abortion is that issue even though people are passionate about it, those aren't the ones who would fight a 'hot war'. They certainly aren't going to take up arms because someone insulted their favorite politician.

At best, people won't leave the comfort of their recliners and what they think is the anonymity of the internet. Even the Tea Party burned out as it fractioned. Antifa even seems to have burned out, people got sick of them. You do see small little groups taking action, but those are 4-5 like we saw yelling at the Homeland Secretary director in a restaurant, not a massive movement.

I think we already passed some major issues people would have taken up arms over and no matter what they said was their red line, they just bitched and moaned on the internet. In short, the ones who are the most vocal are probably the most cowardly. They've been screaming 'CWII' for decades and never left their computers.

I doubt there would be any formal govt involvement at first. I'd expect it to mostly be in urban areas where the leftists have numbers. In the rural areas they will simply be shot dead.

What I expect it to revolve around is financial difficulties in DC due to our debt. Once the liberal totalitarians in the various cities and states realize that DC can't or won't do anything, they'll essentially declare independence, impose authortarian order, and start going after political opponents officially and unofficially, as well as wealth confiscation.

Which will result in confrontations, refugees and a reaction by the more red interior states to want to break away, which probably will happen.

You'll probably see battles after that between the new formed entities from former states, but that technically won't be a civil war.

[ABX]

Because he doesn't want to go to jail. Neither do I.

On the other hand when riots break out I usually break out the hot air popper, cue up one of the riot channels on Youtube and settle in for some nice riot porn.

At least ya'll are honest.

Some like to brag about how important it is and everything they would sacrifice, including risking jail, but never get off their butts.

[WingNot]

Well, why are you sitting behind the computer?

Everyone wants someone else do to the lifting to light the spark.

I didn't start the fire. It was always burning
Since the world's been turning ....

[ABX]

I doubt there would be any formal govt involvement at first. I'd expect it to mostly be in urban areas where the leftists have numbers. In the rural areas they will simply be shot dead.

What I expect it to revolve around is financial difficulties in DC due to our debt. Once the liberal totalitarians in the various cities and states realize that DC can't or won't do anything, they'll essentially declar independence, impose authortarian order, and start going after political opponents officially and unofficially, as well as wealth confiscation.

Which will result in confrontations, refugees and a reaction by the more red interior states to want to break away, which probably will happen.

You'll probably see battles after that between the new formed entities from former states, but that technically won't be a civil war.

I think if it even looks like it may ever get hot, you'll have 'Ruby Ridge' type incidents where agitators are taken out quickly and publicly. There will always be some excuse. I bet they would find a meth operation or child porn or something like that. The PTBs will send a message quickly.  A hot civil war would be too costly, but a cold one can be used to their advantage.

[RoosGirl]

I didn't start the fire. It was always burning
Since the world's been turning ....

You could always take me ice skating.  I'm sure you would find that very satisfying.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

At least ya'll are honest.

Some like to brag about how important it is and everything they would sacrifice, including risking jail, but never get off their butts.

IMO risking jail to spill some leftists microscopic brain all over the pavement is the very definition of stupid.

Let the cops handle that stuff. Or just let the leftists destroy their own cities.

My own property is another matter entirely, but these things almost always happen in big cities.

[Free Vulcan]

I think if it even looks like it may ever get hot, you'll have 'Ruby Ridge' type incidents where agitators are taken out quickly and publicly. There will always be some excuse. I bet they would find a meth operation or child porn or something like that. The PTBs will send a message quickly.  A hot civil war would be too costly, but a cold one can be used to their advantage.

On that I disagree. I actually expect the liberal jursdictions to be quite aggressive and predatory. They will want territory, and they will try and take it with whatever justification they can come up with, and the hot wars will start.

[Free Vulcan]

IMO risking jail to spill some leftists microscopic brain all over the pavement is the very definition of stupid.

Let the cops handle that stuff. Or just let the leftists destroy their own cities.

My own property is another matter entirely, but these things almost always happen in big cities.

I tend to agree. If this ever goes down, I think people will be quite suprised at how it's the left and their enclaves will be the biggest aggressors.

[ABX]

I tend to agree. If this ever goes down, I think people will be quite suprised at how it's the left and their enclaves will be the biggest aggressors.

I think we may also be surprised with the sides people take. I don't think it would be the traditional lines we think of as left versus right.

For example, if you had a bunch of drunk rednecks, in the heat of the war, barge into our neighborhood to get my Muslim or gay neighbor, solely for the fact they were Muslim or gay (or whatever, I also have a Sikh neighbor who I know they wouldn't know the difference), even though we are on opposite political spectrums, I would stand with them against the aggressor.

You may also have a lot on the right (traditional small government Conservatives or Libertarian leaning) who may see any growth of a powerful central government because of it, refuse to stand with the 'right' side of the battle and be deemed the enemy.

On the left, you would have many who are just good old working folks who were Democrat because their dad was and their dad's dad and so on. They don't hate the Right, they just still buy into the old 'party of the working man' line. They wouldn't take up arms side by side with Antifa types either. Especially if they were religious, they may join their church members or step out completely (and thus be labeled enemies by their own side).

[Right_in_Virginia]

I think we may also be surprised with the sides people take. I don't think it would be the traditional lines we think of as left versus right.

For example, if you had a bunch of drunk rednecks, in the heat of the war, barge into our neighborhood to get my Muslim or gay neighbor, solely for the fact they were Muslim or gay (or whatever, I also have a Sikh neighbor who I know they wouldn't know the difference), even though we are on opposite political spectrums, I would stand with them against the aggressor.

You may also have a lot on the right (traditional small government Conservatives or Libertarian leaning) who may see any growth of a powerful central government because of it, refuse to stand with the 'right' side of the battle and be deemed the enemy.

On the left, you would have many who are just good old working folks who were Democrat because their dad was and their dad's dad and so on. They don't hate the Right, they just still buy into the old 'party of the working man' line. They wouldn't take up arms side by side with Antifa types either. Especially if they were religious, they may join their church members or step out completely (and thus be labeled enemies by their own side).

LOL.  No worries from this bunker @AbaraXas  The side you're on won't be a surprise. 

[truth_seeker]

I remember very well, 1968-1970.

1968-MLK killed, Democrat convention, Peace demonstrations.

1969 Drafted and served,

1970 Kent State, returned to US wondering if I would be spit on.

Then pleasantly surprised, when peaceful order seemed to prevail.

During 2016-2018 thus far, there has not been a mood that compares to those days.

[ABX]

LOL.  No worries from this bunker @AbaraXas  The side you're on won't be a surprise.

I'll stand up for individual liberty and Constitutional protections, period. I won't hate someone or take up arms against them simply because of who they are or what they believe- only if they are a real and actionable threat to my life liberty or property. I will gladly defend any innocent individual from an attack, no matter what side they are on or those after them are on.

If that makes me an enemy in your book, fine by me. If you think the political game gives you justification to oppose any of that, that would just reinforce any position I would have in not standing with you. If you took the side of liberty and Constitutional protections, then I would stand with you. Simple as that.

[darroll]

The libs around here are scared of their own shadow.
They sleep with all lights on at night so some monster won't get them.