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"Trump: Only Workable Immigration Solution Is To ‘Detain, Prosecute, and Promptly Remove’ Anyone Who Crosses Border"

In full agreement.
How much more need be said?

Except, perhaps...
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I think it's a fair point that if they don't come thru an official point of entry, they just get thrown back over the border without question. If you want due process, follow the process.

Right. Except I live right close to the Northern border, and have, upon occasion, drifted into Alberta by mistake. I didn't know I was in Alberta, and nothing showed that I crossed any line... But the Mounties showed up to see what I was doing.

That has happened to me personally, and on more than one occasion.


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Right. Except I live right close to the Northern border, and have, upon occasion, drifted into Alberta by mistake. I didn't know I was in Alberta, and nothing showed that I crossed any line... But the Mounties showed up to see what I was doing.

That has happened to me personally, and on more than one occasion.

Are you suggesting we let everyone run the border because you got lost?  Or are you suggesting something else?

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Right. Except I live right close to the Northern border, and have, upon occasion, drifted into Alberta by mistake. I didn't know I was in Alberta, and nothing showed that I crossed any line... But the Mounties showed up to see what I was doing.

That has happened to me personally, and on more than one occasion.

It's a little different, no a lot different, on the southern border.

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Are you suggesting we let everyone run the border because you got lost?  Or are you suggesting something else?

No @Right_in_Virginia , what is on point is the idea of no due process. With no due process I would not be able to get back home, or at least not without a helluva lot more trouble. All for nothing.

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It's a little different, no a lot different, on the southern border.

That's right. I get it. It's busted. But it isn't fixed by removing due process.

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That's right. I get it. It's busted. But it isn't fixed by removing due process.

No, I meant you can tell very easily where the border is. 

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No, I meant you can tell very easily where the border is.

Oh, Ok... Not so up here, or at least, not so twenty/thirty years ago...  :shrug:

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Oh, Ok... Not so up here, or at least, not so twenty/thirty years ago...  :shrug:

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No, I meant you can tell very easily where the border is.

@Sanguine  Actually in the desert in southern New Mexico, west of Santa Teresa, it isn't easy to "see" a border.  It's just Desert all around; my sister got stopped by La Migra and the DEA many times, wondering why she was hiking around out there, zigzagging over the border and back..  It reminds me of @roamer_1's description of his northern side.
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Roam's   Have you ever mistakenly crossed over the boarder?  Not on purpose.

Yes. A handful of times...

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Les Quebecers?  Or the normal Canucks.

@Wingnut, these are the normies who don't like Trump and are hypocrites about immigration.  I feel mean for complaining, but three weeks unplanned is a long time for in-laws to visit.
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@Wingnut, these are the normies who don't like Trump and are hypocrites about immigration.  I feel mean for complaining, but three weeks unplanned is a long time for in-laws to visit.

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No @Right_in_Virginia , what is on point is the idea of no due process. With no due process I would not be able to get back home, or at least not without a helluva lot more trouble. All for nothing.

Please explain this @roamer_1

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Well, if I figger out I am up in Alberta, and turn around to go back, and I am intercepted by the US Border Patrol, without papers or ID (which is usually the case in the bush)... Interdiction without due process means they just kick me back to Canada regardless of whether I claim US citizenship or not. I cannot get home without a passport at that point... and I am illegally in Canada, and subject to prosecution.

Due process means they accept my declaration, and at worst, hold me at the nearest Border Patrol shack until my ID is pounded out... Or turn me over to an American county sheriff for processing. Either of which is capable of accessing my driver's license and such  (I have a sheet, so the US system can find me pretty easily), proving my declaration, and leaving me be.

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Well, if I figger out I am up in Alberta, and turn around to go back, and I am intercepted by the US Border Patrol, without papers or ID (which is usually the case in the bush)... Interdiction without due process means they just kick me back to Canada regardless of whether I claim US citizenship or not. I cannot get home without a passport at that point... and I am illegally in Canada, and subject to prosecution.

Due process means they accept my declaration, and at worst, hold me at the nearest Border Patrol shack until my ID is pounded out... Or turn me over to an American county sheriff for processing. Either of which is capable of accessing my driver's license and such  (I have a sheet, so the US system can find me pretty easily), proving my declaration, and leaving me be.

I'm glad you had a happy ending .... but your situation is not equivalent to what's happening on the Southern border.

Besides, if worse had come to worse, one short visit, email or call to the US embassy in Canada ... and you're home.


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I'm glad you had a happy ending .... but your situation is not equivalent to what's happening on the Southern border.

Besides, if worse had come to worse, one short visit, email or call to the US embassy in Canada ... and you're home.

That's the difference between Canada and Mexico right there.  That short call to the State Department will get you thrown into the deepest, darkest cell in the Mexican Prison because every bureaucrat from top to bottom will use "the American" prisoner to prove their machismo.  Experts who deal with Mexico on a regular basis tell people, "Dont get the State Department involved."

It's the surest way to turn a minor infraction into a year-long (or more) stay.

Bottom line:  Canada and Canadians may not like us much, but they're first-world.  Mexico on south is one giant third-world shithole, with a justice system to match.  I used to travel to the border towns, and cruise the Mexican Riviera, but those days are gone for good.  If the cartels don't get you, the Federales will.
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Well, if I figger out I am up in Alberta, and turn around to go back, and I am intercepted by the US Border Patrol, without papers or ID (which is usually the case in the bush)... Interdiction without due process means they just kick me back to Canada regardless of whether I claim US citizenship or not. I cannot get home without a passport at that point... and I am illegally in Canada, and subject to prosecution.

Due process means they accept my declaration, and at worst, hold me at the nearest Border Patrol shack until my ID is pounded out... Or turn me over to an American county sheriff for processing. Either of which is capable of accessing my driver's license and such  (I have a sheet, so the US system can find me pretty easily), proving my declaration, and leaving me be.

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If you are up there with a horse and guns,they can confiscate both,and even put you in prison for a handgun.
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I'm glad you had a happy ending .... but your situation is not equivalent to what's happening on the Southern border.

Besides, if worse had come to worse, one short visit, email or call to the US embassy in Canada ... and you're home.

HOME??? Who wants to be home? That's 100 miles of rough road from my pickup, and another 30 miles walking to get back to my base camp to get my gear back. That ain't no happy ending.

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If you are up there with a horse and guns,they can confiscate both,and even put you in prison for a handgun.

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Yeah... But it's Alberta.

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HOME??? Who wants to be home? That's 100 miles of rough road from my pickup, and another 30 miles walking to get back to my base camp to get my gear back. That ain't no happy ending.

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No sweat. Call a uber and screw a millennial. "Just a mile or two further,and the road is paved. HONEST!"
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No sweat. Call a uber and screw a millennial. "Just a mile or two further,and the road is paved. HONEST!"

LOL! Uber... You're a funny guy. There ain't no uber...

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Staying in your home?

@Cyber Liberty  Yes, I'm a bad dil ;(.  They were expected for my son's 8th grade graduation, came a bit early bc my uncle-in-law in Tacoma was suddenly dying of cancer ;(.  But after graduation on June 13 they decided to stay with us until June 29 to go to the uncle's memorial service in Tacoma.  And our landlady has been redoing our main bathroom, so we've had one bath for five people.  And my mil is a Canadian convert (from the US), so she's more anti-American than any native Canadian.  BTW, did you know The Weekend is from Canada?  They love to name all the famous crypto-Canadians living in the US ;). 

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Right. Except I live right close to the Northern border, and have, upon occasion, drifted into Alberta by mistake. I didn't know I was in Alberta, and nothing showed that I crossed any line... But the Mounties showed up to see what I was doing.

That has happened to me personally, and on more than one occasion.

Sure, that's going to happen from time to time, but that's no reason to stop hundreds of thousands who do stream over the border illegally.
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