Trump gives in. We are back to not having enforced border laws.

[Jazzhead]

The Goebbels MSM made sure of it.  And if the American people are really this easily manipulated, then we are well and truly screwed.

Goebbels?  Give me a break.   Most Americans have beating hearts.    Separating families was a horrible choice,  and I give credit to Trump for recognizing the reality of how bad it looked.  Now facilities must be created to house families together pending deportation.   Good.  If we are going to detain folks for crossing the border,  this is the way it must be done.   

[INVAR]

The Goebbels MSM made sure of it.  And if the American people are really this easily manipulated, then we are well and truly screwed.

We are well and truly screwed.

Fact.

[dfwgator]

Goebbels?  Give me a break.   Most Americans have beating hearts.    Separating families was a horrible choice,  and I give credit to Trump for recognizing the reality of how bad it looked.  Now facilities must be created to house families together pending deportation.   Good.  If we are going to detain folks for crossing the border,  this is the way it must be done.

Why isn't there any ire directed at the shithole countries they came from?  Oh, I'm sorry, we can't even call them shithole countries, that makes you a racist, too.

[Bigun]

Why isn't there any ire directed at the shithole countries they came from?  Oh, I'm sorry, we can't even call them shithole countries, that makes you a racist, too.

@dfwgator

Why is there zero discussion of international laws that REQUIRE  asylum seekers to apply in the first safe country they encounter?

[dfwgator]

@dfwgator

Why is there zero discussion of international laws that REQUIRE  asylum seekers to apply in the first safe country they encounter?

^^^^^^^^
This

[Dexter]

@dfwgator

Why is there zero discussion of international laws that REQUIRE  asylum seekers to apply in the first safe country they encounter?

You're asking too many questions Bigun. If you don't stop that we might start getting some real answers.

[mrclose]

Trump just said, if you take zero tolerance away, you'd have millions of people coming in through the border.

Parents with children will be pushed to the front of the line for processing to move them through faster. Nobody is being turned loose into society.

[Dexter]

Trump just said, if you take zero tolerance away, you'd have millions of people coming in through the border.

Parents with children will be pushed to the front of the line for processing to move them through faster. Nobody is being turned loose into society.

How do no tolerance and no family separation co-exist? Are we actually going to jail kids with their parents? He has to go one way or the other, otherwise it's not no tolerance. Trump has made a concession. Whether or not it will be the first of many remains to be seen.

[XenaLee]

Why isn't there any ire directed at the shithole countries they came from?  Oh, I'm sorry, we can't even call them shithole countries, that makes you a racist, too.

Exactly!   I've been wondering why Trump doesn't point out that if those countries weren't so... um.... leftist (same as corrupt).... that those people wouldn't have to migrate or seek assylum.

I think Trump is missing out on an important point that needs to be made... since bashing America seems to (always) be the sport-du-jour for these ahole lefties.

[dfwgator]

Exactly!   I've been wondering why Trump doesn't point out that if those countries weren't so... um.... leftist (same as corrupt).... that those people wouldn't have to migrate or seek assylum.
 

Remember the reaction when he actually did point it out?   That's why.

[driftdiver]

Goebbels?  Give me a break.   Most Americans have beating hearts.    Separating families was a horrible choice,  and I give credit to Trump for recognizing the reality of how bad it looked.  Now facilities must be created to house families together pending deportation.   Good.  If we are going to detain folks for crossing the border,  this is the way it must be done.

@Jazzhead
Sure most Americans have hearts.  Charity begins at home and illegals are destroying this country.  We're tired of paying for them meanwhile we can afford to keep our roads and bridges safe.

[XenaLee]

@dfwgator

Why is there zero discussion of international laws that REQUIRE  asylum seekers to apply in the first safe country they encounter?

Add to that question.... why are these families even being allowed to cross the border into the US from Mexico?   Why aren't they stopped AT the border.... since they are obviously using the "seeking asylum" as a phony tactic to invade.  Soros & Co is behind that invasion.  We need an immediate change to the law that allows asylum seekers from our southern border.

[XenaLee]

Remember the reaction when he actually did point it out?   That's why.

You mean the totally accurate "S-hole" comment?  lolol   Point is.... if those nations weren't S-holes, these hoards of immigrants wouldn't be swarming to America.  He was spot-frickin-on.

[dfwgator]

@Jazzhead
Sure most Americans have hearts.

As for brains,   not so much.

[Bigun]

Add to that question.... why are these families even being allowed to cross the border into the US from Mexico?   Why aren't they stopped AT the border.... since they are obviously using the "seeking asylum" as a phony tactic to invade.  Soros & Co is behind that invasion.  We need an immediate change to the law that allows asylum seekers from our southern border.

Image me as one of the judges deciding these cases;

Me: from which country did you start your journey?

Response:  Guatemala your honor.

Me:  Did you travel through Mexico in order to get here?

Response:  Yes your honor.

Me: Did you apply for asylum in Mexico?

Response:  No sir.

Me:  Application denied!  Next!

[XenaLee]

Image me as one of the judges deciding these cases;

Me: from which country did you start your journey?

Response:  Guatemala your honor.

Me:  Did you travel through Mexico in order to get here?

Response:  Yes your honor.

Me: Did you apply for asylum in Mexico?

Response:  No sir.

Me:  Application denied!  Next!

Another point Trump needs to make... is WHY Mexico is ignoring their own immigration laws (stricter than ours, in fact) and allowing these immigrants to pass through.  Because Obama struck a deal under the table with Mexico.  That's why.

[Jazzhead]

Why isn't there any ire directed at the shithole countries they came from?  Oh, I'm sorry, we can't even call them shithole countries, that makes you a racist, too.

Lots of our ancestors came from shithole countries, mine included.  But you're right - most of the current wave of migrants are coming to escape gang violence in Central America.   It is intolerable when the only future you see for your son is to join a gang.  Intolerable enough to sell everything you own to escape somewhere else.  That is the reality as seen by many of the migrants who have come here, and been incarcerated and separated from their children.  And that rock-and-a-hard place reality is why many Americans sympathize with their plight.   

It may well be a better use of our resources to assist countries like Honduras to crack down on the gangs.   Addressing root causes is a typical liberal mantra.  But it may be the best solution here.   

[dfwgator]

It may well be a better use of our resources to assist countries like Honduras to crack down on the gangs.   Addressing root causes is a typical liberal mantra.  But it may be the best solution here.

We used to invade countries in Latin America for less.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Sure most Americans have hearts.  Charity begins at home and illegals are destroying this country.  We're tired of paying for them meanwhile we can afford to keep our roads and bridges safe.

We certainly have the resources and the heart to assist folks who are escaping vicious and intolerable gang violence directed at their children.   I say a mother who sacrifices everything to provide her son a future away from MS-13 has character.  Might even make a good American some day.   

[driftdiver]

Lots of our ancestors came from shithole countries, mine included.  But you're right - most of the current wave of migrants are coming to escape gang violence in Central America.   It is intolerable when the only future you see for your son is to join a gang.  Intolerable enough to sell everything you own to escape somewhere else.  That is the reality as seen by many of the migrants who have come here, and been incarcerated and separated from their children.  And that rock-and-a-hard place reality is why many Americans sympathize with their plight.   

It may well be a better use of our resources to assist countries like Honduras to crack down on the gangs.   Addressing root causes is a typical liberal mantra.  But it may be the best solution here.

@Jazzhead
If we want to keep our country from being like their country then we need to control who comes in.   We've been working for decades to reduce the gang and drug problems in South America.  it doesn't work because the leftist governments are corrupt.

Let them go to Costa Rica or Chile.

[Jazzhead]

We used to invade countries in Latin America for less.

Yup. It might be worth it. 

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
If we want to keep our country from being like their country then we need to control who comes in.   

Of course we do.  I don't want MS-13 members in this country.   But I am sympathetic towards a mother and child trying to escape MS-13.   

[dfwgator]

We certainly have the resources and the heart to assist folks who are escaping vicious and intolerable gang violence directed at their children.   I say a mother who sacrifices everything to provide her son a future away from MS-13 has character.  Might even make a good American some day.

We need a procedure in place to make sure they will be good Americans.   That's not in place now.  If you're breathing, we let you in.

We used to exclude known anarchists and Communists from entering the country.

[dfwgator]

Yup. It might be worth it.

And if we are the "Big Dog", let's really act like it.

[driftdiver]

We certainly have the resources and the heart to assist folks who are escaping vicious and intolerable gang violence directed at their children.   I say a mother who sacrifices everything to provide her son a future away from MS-13 has character.  Might even make a good American some day.

@Jazzhead
Illegal immigration costs us at least $135 billion a year.

Our nation debt is $21 Trillion
Our unfunded liability's is over $87 trillion.

We don't have the resources.

A mother who would send her young child into a desert assuming her daughter would be raped is not the kind of person I want as a neighbor.