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Offline Formerly Once-Ler

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So you really are just a complete open borders liberal.   Thanks for coming out of the closet on that.

Your welcome.  This is the 1,785th time I outed myself. 

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nobody is perfect.

And, what does that have to do with presenting a deliberately fallacious argument?

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THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc

I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?
Why?

Because it is ILLEGAL.

You may say the law is wrong, but we Americans mostly believe the law to be correct.
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I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
Open up your own house and let them live there.

I choose not to do so.
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And, what does that have to do with presenting a deliberately fallacious argument?
I again am unsure what you're talking about.  I said the law is wrong.  It should be changed.  You say it's not the law.  I disagree.  I did not present a deliberately fallacious argument.

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Why?

Because it is ILLEGAL.

You may say the law is wrong, but we Americans mostly believe the law to be correct.

Thanx for explaining that America

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Open up your own house and let them live there.

I choose not to do so.

I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps

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I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.

That is staggeringly clueless.  Wow. 

You can quit replying to me now.  We're done.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2018, 10:58:54 pm by Sanguine »

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Not any more so than when an American kills an American, or a human kills another human.

I reject the silly notion that being killed by an illegal is somehow more horrendous than being killed in Chicago by an American hood.

Now this the part where you start babbling about how they're ILLEGAL...as if that term somehow changes the immigrant of today from the immigrants of the past.

And this is the part where I say "do something about it if you don't like it", but if your big issue is crime I suggest you stop focusing your efforts on excluding janitors, crop pickers, and other workers from the US because that is the vast majority of illegals

I feel sorry for you and the pathetic nature of that statement.  You clearly feel very small.  I think many Trump fans feel that way about themselves.

Stay on topic please.  + really crappy psychoanalysis.

Hog wash.  They are already here.  Arresting, prosecuting and deporting them will cost more than illegals self identifying for amnesty...See DACA.

There is not much left of your argument so have a nice day @TomSea .

@Once-Ler

Perhaps, next time, your kind toss out the bigot card, it's time for a good look in the mirror. We've got it, foreigners first.

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Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?

Seems then that US policy is anybody within walking distance qualifies for citizenship.

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Seems then that US policy is anybody within walking distance qualifies for citizenship.

The illegals shouldn't become citizens ... they would automatically fall to the bottom of the swamp.

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I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps

Nice assumption that people here live in Section 8 housing.
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I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps
Repeat: you are indeed the problem with America.

We citizens will protect our homeland from despicable people like you.
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I don't think imported workers cost tax payers.

"Imported workers" from Mexico and South America by and large have what family they have here stateside on welfare - a burden on taxpayers - while they send a whole lot of cash back home to relatives.

I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.

No.  We have no room for third world refuse that no one wants whom are sneaking in here for freebies or hostile intentions.  A majority have zero to little skill sets and whom have no intentions of assimilating into a distinct American culture, learn our language or BECOME an American. 

First of all, we're BROKE.  We cannot afford to pay for them to be here and to support them, which is why they are coming here.

Second of all, without insisting that an American culture be adopted and adhered to, we are being forced into adopting foreign culture that is anathema to our foundations and a danger to Constitutional liberty.

2 we have jobs they can fill.

Well, the cheap labor without bennies aside, no.   Unless they came in the front door with the proper paperwork, they are by law, prohibited from working here in this country.


3 I have sympathy for their plight.

By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.

Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.
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I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.

Are you really from Madison? If so, what in the sam hell do you know about the illegal immigration problem in the US? Your town is 78% white.

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Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's  position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.

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By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.

Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.

^^^THIS!!!
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Birthplace of Republican party, Ripon Wisconsin.
https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/

Madison I thought was thought to be at the forefront of pioneering liberalism in the US, I thought I heard that or somewhere in Wisconsin.

Whatever. There's not much reason to get steamed with such a position, I doubt one can change one's mind.... per free immigration, absolute forgiving of criminal wrongdoing, no borders, no rules.

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Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's  position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.

Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree.  :beer:

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Birthplace of Republican party, Ripon Wisconsin.
https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/

Madison I thought was thought to be at the forefront of pioneering liberalism in the US, I thought I heard that or somewhere in Wisconsin.

Whatever. There's not much reason to get steamed with such a position, I doubt one can change one's mind.... per free immigration, absolute forgiving of criminal wrongdoing, no borders, no rules.

It goes to credibility. I just wanna know how seriously to take his opinion.

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Birth of labor movement, Wisconsin;
http://www.projectwisconsin.com/the-birth-of-the-labor-movement/

On the other hand, Governor Scott Walker is one of the best governors in the nation, Evangelical but I don't think initially at least, he understood the immigration issue. We are all wired differently. He's been a public servant too, so I think a busy man, not fully formulated on his views.

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In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full,  3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.

If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically.  The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.

Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.

At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.

I am calling this the post of the day.  Why?  Because it is the truth and truth is hard to come by these days.  I saw the story about the chase.  I also have seen stories about semi's filled with illegals boiling to death inside.  Is that humane?
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That is staggeringly clueless.  Wow. 

You can quit replying to me now.  We're done.
@Sanguine
I accept your surrender.  Great insult.  Wow.

You are responding to my response to @IsailedawayfromFR so you can quit replying to me first.  You're done.  I'll keep posting.