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Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
« on: June 12, 2018, 06:34:01 pm »

Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
June 9, 2018
 

By Paul Homewood
 

Britain’s railways are to enter a new steam age with up to 100 ageing commuter trains poised to be converted to run on eco-friendly hydrogen. They could be on the network within three years and will be almost silent, with the same range and speed as traditional diesel and electric trains.

Their only emissions will be water, with some released as small puffs of steam above the train. The conversion programme — drawn up by Alstom, the French train maker — would make Britain a world leader in hydrogen train technology. Jo Johnson, the rail minister, called in February for all Britain’s 3900 diesel trains to be scrapped by 2040.

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Re: Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 07:47:08 pm »
BS!

Hydrogen as a fuel is a money loser. it will cost you more to make and store the hydrogen than it will get you as a fuel.
Pure pipe dreams
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Re: Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 01:27:34 am »
Joe wrote:
"Hydrogen as a fuel is a money loser. it will cost you more to make and store the hydrogen than it will get you as a fuel."

How much it will cost has no relevance to their rationale.
What IS relevant is that it will replace the evil diesel-powered trains.
That's all that matters.
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Re: Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 04:42:14 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on June 13, 2018, 01:27:34 am
Joe wrote:
"Hydrogen as a fuel is a money loser. it will cost you more to make and store the hydrogen than it will get you as a fuel."

How much it will cost has no relevance to their rationale.
What IS relevant is that it will replace the evil diesel-powered trains.
That's all that matters.
Yeah.

Hang the fact that water vapor is a greenhouse gas orders of magnitude more effective than CO2.
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Re: Hydrogen fuel cell trains herald new steam age
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2018, 11:48:25 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on June 13, 2018, 01:27:34 am
Joe wrote:
"Hydrogen as a fuel is a money loser. it will cost you more to make and store the hydrogen than it will get you as a fuel."

How much it will cost has no relevance to their rationale.
What IS relevant is that it will replace the evil diesel-powered trains.
That's all that matters.

Same concept, different medium.



It will never replace a significant amount of diesel trains.  But it will suck up a bunch of government money before they give up.

LNG trains, have a real possibility in places with significant Nat Gas.
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