We’ve Lost Sight of the Plot in the Immigration Debate

[rangerrebew]

   We’ve Lost Sight of the Plot in the Immigration Debate
By Jonah Goldberg

May 30, 2018 6:30 AM

U.S. Border Patrol agents detail illegal immigrants near Roma, Texas, May 11, 2017. (Carlos Barria/Reuters)
There are legitimate policy arguments on all sides, but the story of immigration is getting slaughtered in the crossfire.

As the immigration debate hit another low last week, I received the news that my favorite immigrant died: my father-in-law, Paul Gavora.

I don’t want to politicize Paul’s story too much, or really at all. For me, the man wasn’t a talking point; he was a hero.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/immigration-policy-debate-good-arguments-on-all-sides/

[Oceander]

Let the flaming start. 

[skeeter]

Let the flaming start.

Goldberg's point is that because some immigrants were/are a benefit to America, all immigrants (legal and illegal and in whatever numbers, presumably) are and forever will be a benefit to America.

Big on emotion, small on rationality.

[Oceander]

Goldberg's point is that because some immigrants were/are a benefit to America, all immigrants (legal and illegal and in whatever numbers, presumably) are and forever will be a benefit to America.

Big on emotion, small on rationality.

Actually, it’s not.  Try reading it without your ideological blinders on.

[driftdiver]

Actually, it’s not.  Try reading it without your ideological blinders on.

@Oceander

[Oceander]

@Oceander

Like I said, let the flaming begin.  Here’s a perfect place to concentrate all the hate and xenophobia you regularly indulge in. 

[skeeter]

Actually, it’s not.  Try reading it without your ideological blinders on.

You first.

[Oceander]

You first.

Flame away, grasshopper. 

[skeeter]

Flame away, grasshopper.

Nah. Goldberg's point is so trite that at this point its only worth a quick blast of warm air.

[Oceander]

Nah. Goldberg's point is so trite that at this point its only worth a quick blast of warm air.

And yet, here you are, trashing him.  Go figure, grasshopper. 

[driftdiver]

Like I said, let the flaming begin.  Here’s a perfect place to concentrate all the hate and xenophobia you regularly indulge in.

@Oceander
Yeah I was just having that discussion with my wife who is a legal immigrant.   The one we spent lots of time and money to go through the process, legally.

ya know the law, legal, a nation of laws.

amazing how lawyers have so little regard for it

[skeeter]

And yet, here you are, trashing him.  Go figure, grasshopper.

I'd never trash Jonah. He's a snappy dresser & when he's not whining has a great singing voice.

[skeeter]

@Oceander
Yeah I was just having that discussion with my wife who is a legal immigrant.   The one we spent lots of time and money to go through the process, legally.

ya know the law, legal, a nation of laws.

amazing how lawyers have so little regard for it

The law is a great way to make money. But first you need people to break it.

[Fishrrman]

Here's "the plot", fishrrman-style:

1. Secure the border with a solid barrier (ABSOLUTELY #1)
2. Streamline deportation procedures, then...
3. DEPORT as many illegals as possible and practical, beginning with the lawbreakers.
4. TAX all foreign remittances to pay for the above.
5. LIMIT future immigration by repealing the 1965 law and going back to the "pre-1965" immigration standards.
6. Consider whether we need future immigration AT ALL for a period of 50 years to fully assimilate those already here.
7. DENY future citizen to ALL illegals currently here. We cannot deny citizenship to their American-born children (thank the 14th Amendment for that), but we CAN deny it to THEM. That should be -- and should forever remain -- "the penalty" they pay for entering the United States illegally.

How's that?

Addendum:
And no, I didn't bother to read Goldberg's article, he's sumthin' of an erudite a@@ as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not worried 'bout what he thinks of me.

[ConstitutionRose]

The article talks about a man who did it legally, who worked hard, made a success of himself, and was grated to this country for the opportunities it offered him. 

Unfortunately that description doesn't fit most "immigrants" these days.  Especially the "legally" part.  My MIL speaks about the efforts made to integrate immigrants after WWII.  The schools not only taught reading, writing and arithmetic, but they also taught trades and life skills.  They were taught American culture, music, literature, movies, sports.  In other words, there was a systematic, organized and mandatory system for intigrating the immigrants into American society. 

[roamer_1]

FIRST STEP:
Accept that there is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal alien, or there really is nothing to talk about.