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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2018, 06:40:44 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on May 30, 2018, 06:03:51 pm
Pretty crazy how anyone can pose a theory about things like this.

Yesterday, I heard on the radio, the the alt-right folks were just the logical extension of disenfranchised white liberals.
They didn't necessarily vote for Trump for smaller government, but for more Federal goodies to come their way, and not to those "other people".

Interesting how both NT'ers and AT'ers can get lumped together as "Spiteful Democrats", depending on how you read things into all this.

So, I don't buy into this argument.
People can use enough pretzel logic to make anything sound possible.

It gets confusing when people use the same arguments and same criticism at the same time.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2018, 07:17:05 pm »
What’s so hard to understand about this? If Trump can be both a moron and an evil genus, then he can certainly be a liberal socialist and a conservative constitutionalist.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2018, 08:07:50 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on May 30, 2018, 02:13:17 pm
Funny these articles never bring up the fact that Donald Trump's historical views are the most liberal in a GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford.

Anyone trying to paint ultra-conservatives like many of us here at TBR as NT democrats is as dumb as a box of rocks.
They're not. They're talking about the Kristols, Steve Schmidts, Evan McMullins and other assorted types that used to be called neocons. They are the ones with no qualms switching sides to get vengeance on Donald Trump.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2018, 08:08:45 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 30, 2018, 02:09:35 pm
globalist vs nationalist
As the individualists get left out to dry.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2018, 08:51:17 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 30, 2018, 06:40:44 pm
It gets confusing when people use the same arguments and same criticism at the same time.

It's a crazy world now, that's for sure.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2018, 09:31:49 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on May 30, 2018, 08:08:45 pm
As the individualists get left out to dry.
Again...
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2018, 10:05:23 pm »
I know plenty of true conservatives who are against Trump, but they aren’t liberal or "spiteful Democrat".  These are folks who are actual fiscal conservatives.  They decried Obama (and Bush) when he deficit spent and decry Trump when he does it.  They decried Clinton (and Obama) when they lied to the American public and decry Trump when he does it.  These aren’t liberals or "spiteful Democrats", but rather they are principled people who choose not to be hypocritical just because of the party affiliation of the man currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.   
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2018, 10:24:57 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on May 30, 2018, 07:17:05 pm
What’s so hard to understand about this? If Trump can be both a moron and an evil genus, then he can certainly be a liberal socialist and a conservative constitutionalist.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.

@aligncare

You are frequently a PITA to many of us NTs around here...but I’m gonna tip my hat to you on that one.  Cheers.  :beer:
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2018, 10:35:33 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on May 30, 2018, 02:22:51 pm
This is a stupid article.  There may be NTs who are NTs because they are globalists and want a progressive agenda to succeed.

I think we can all agree that TBR NTs are a whole different kind of voter, and they are NTs because they don't like certain things about Trump and don't trust him to do the right thing.

Your second paragraph describes my kind of NeverTrumper.  That moniker was my way of saying I would never vote for him and I would never completely trust him.  I still don't, as it turns out.  But I will always support a POTUS, at least provisionally, when he is doing the right thing.  (I never supported Obama--at all-- because I never perceived him as doing the right thing.  I easily saw through all of his charades.  This was easy for anyone who has studied Saul Alinsky, as I have.)   

In my opinion, DJT has done plenty of the wrong things.  But the things he is doing to push back against the Deep State are the right things right now.  And I'm pretty confident that the military personnel on his staff will not let him let up too soon.  (So, yeah, I do trust our military.  And they're the guys and gals who persuaded Trump way back in 2105 to run for the White House.) 
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2018, 10:40:03 pm »
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2018, 10:44:55 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on May 30, 2018, 02:13:17 pm
Funny these articles never bring up the fact that Donald Trump's historical views are the most liberal in a GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford.

Anyone trying to paint ultra-conservatives like many of us here at TBR as NT democrats is as dumb as a box of rocks.

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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2018, 11:29:58 pm »
Quote from: Concerned on May 30, 2018, 10:05:23 pm
I know plenty of true conservatives who are against Trump, but they aren’t liberal or "spiteful Democrat".  These are folks who are actual fiscal conservatives.  They decried Obama (and Bush) when he deficit spent and decry Trump when he does it.  They decried Clinton (and Obama) when they lied to the American public and decry Trump when he does it.  These aren’t liberals or "spiteful Democrats", but rather they are principled people who choose not to be hypocritical just because of the party affiliation of the man currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

When the entire Trumplican mentality can now be summed up as "You are either with us, or you are against us" - then the belief that either you are a solid and vociferous Trump supporter or a spiteful Democrat is the only place the mind can fathom or understand.  They do not permit room to acknowledge anything else.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2018, 11:32:27 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 30, 2018, 11:29:58 pm
When the entire Trumplican mentality can now be summed up as "You are either with us, or you are against us" - then the belief that either you are a solid and vociferous Trump supporter or a spiteful Democrat is the only place the mind can fathom or understand.  They do not permit room to acknowledge anything else.

Sadly: :word:
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2018, 11:32:40 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 30, 2018, 11:29:58 pm
When the entire Trumplican mentality can now be summed up as "You are either with us, or you are against us" - then the belief that either you are a solid and vociferous Trump supporter or a spiteful Democrat is the only place the mind can fathom or understand.  They do not permit room to acknowledge anything else.

Wasn't that called the Bush Doctrine?
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2018, 11:33:07 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 30, 2018, 11:29:58 pm
When the entire Trumplican mentality can now be summed up as "You are either with us, or you are against us" - then the belief that either you are a solid and vociferous Trump supporter or a spiteful Democrat is the only place the mind can fathom or understand.  They do not permit room to acknowledge anything else.

But hey I got a plan.  A real plan.   Bwhahhhahhahhaaaa
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2018, 11:42:51 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 30, 2018, 11:33:07 pm
But hey I got a plan.  A real plan.   Bwhahhhahhahhaaaa

   We had a plan, a damn good one at that, unfortunately is was shot and killed by DJT in Indiana on May 21, 2016.
   We'll think of something else, it's what we do.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2018, 11:55:26 pm »
Nobody that I know of is saying you are either for us or against us. Most Trump supporter do not think that way. The fact that most (not all) NeverTrumpers are Prius driving, tree hugging, vegan, homosexual, dope smoking, flag burning, Hillary loving, openly declared Communists, is not really the issue. There is nothing wrong with being who you are, whatever that may be.

The only issue is, you have to 'own' it. When the NTs accept themselves without denial, it makes it so much easier for everyone else to accept them for what they are as well.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2018, 11:58:19 pm »
Quote from: 240B on May 30, 2018, 11:55:26 pm
The fact that most (not all) NeverTrumpers are Prius driving, tree hugging, vegan, homosexual, dope smoking, flag burning, Hillary loving, openly declared Communists, is not really the issue.

And their feet stink and Jesus don't love them.

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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2018, 12:05:51 am »
   I've been known on occasion to indulge in a little pot smoking so by yalls standards, 1 out of 10 makes me a certifiable NTer?
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2018, 12:43:04 am »
Quote from: corbe on May 31, 2018, 12:05:51 am
   I've been known on occasion to indulge in a little pot smoking so by yalls standards, 1 out of 10 makes me a certifiable NTer?
As one who doesn't fit ANY of those characteristics, I guess I'll just have to be content with not being part of @240B 's "most". Really, though, I think someone is just fishing for a sh*t-flinging fest.
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2018, 12:47:36 am »
Quote from: corbe on May 31, 2018, 12:05:51 am
   I've been known on occasion to indulge in a little pot smoking

WHAAAAAT???  *bouche*

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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2018, 12:54:48 am »
All I know is, is that people I haven't seen in thirty years, that I actually have a conversation with, tell me I haven't changed. Except my hair is shorter. On my head...not my ass.
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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2018, 01:01:31 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 31, 2018, 12:43:04 am
As one who doesn't fit ANY of those characteristics, I guess I'll just have to be content with not being part of @240B 's "most". Really, though, I think someone is just fishing for a sh*t-flinging fest.

Not an excuse.  However, we don't live in a vacuum here at TBR.

We listen to the radio in the car, we have the news on in the background.  We check our FB and all we see is TRUMP HATRED.

So when one logs on here and starts reading some of these ....I like to call them Sh*t Slinger Threads, others call them Slingblades., any normal Trump enthusiast/supporter is bound to blow a gasket.

It's like coming home after a stressful day and finding dirty dishes in the sink.    :laugh:
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Re: Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2018, 01:05:06 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 31, 2018, 01:01:31 am
Not an excuse.  However, we don't live in a vacuum here at TBR.

We listen to the radio in the car, we have the news on in the background.  We check our FB and all we see is TRUMP HATRED.

So when one logs on here and starts reading some of these ....I like to call them Sh*t Slinger Threads, others call them Slingblades., any normal Trump enthusiast/supporter is bound to blow a gasket.

It's like coming home after a stressful day and finding dirty dishes in the sink.    :laugh:

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You shouldn’t have nominated, let alone elected, such a marginally competent idiot as president.
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