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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #225 on: May 30, 2018, 09:45:58 pm »
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Why? What's so special about African whatevers that we must avoid ever offending one of them at all costs? If your ancestors came from Africa and that offends you,it is YOUR problem,not mine.

You obviously believe it to be an accurate observation or you wouldn't be in such a panic to shut it down. If it's not accurate,it will die a natural death.

@sneakypete   I'm not sure you and I ever finished talking about the racial stereotype question. 

There is a general societal idea that it's stupid to make fun of someone because of his race, gender, membership in a group.  There are enough reasons to despise a person because of his individual personality ;).  Stereotyping is a very blunt and lazy way to put someone down.

Moreover, in the not-so-recent history of the US, people were actively categorized and discriminated against because of their race, right?  They were called names, denied jobs, not allowed to get married or buy houses, etc. 

A powerful part of that "dehumanizing" was giving groups derogatory names and comparing them to animals.  Sure, "Heeb" comes from "Hebrew".  But it's not a name Jews chose to call themselves, and it was used as a rude slur, like "spic" or "chink".  Those words also might derive from the group's actual names, but they aren't terms of endearment.  Neither is making comments about a group's supposed stereotypical physical characteristics, or comparing people to animals. 

It's just not kind or civil; it reminds people of horrible things that happened as recently as their grandparents' time.  This is one reason education about the Holocaust is so important, trying to prevent the "othering" that began with caricatures and nasty names. 

I don't know if this helps you understand where I'm coming from.  But I'd be happy to talk to you about this any time ;).
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #226 on: May 30, 2018, 09:50:07 pm »
@sneakypete   I'm not sure you and I ever finished talking about the racial stereotype question. 

There is a general societal idea that it's stupid to make fun of someone because of his race, gender, membership in a group.  There are enough reasons to despise a person because of his individual personality ;).  Stereotyping is a very blunt and lazy way to put someone down.

Moreover, in the not-so-recent history of the US, people were actively categorized and discriminated against because of their race, right?  They were called names, denied jobs, not allowed to get married or buy houses, etc. 

A powerful part of that "dehumanizing" was giving groups derogatory names and comparing them to animals.  Sure, "Heeb" comes from "Hebrew".  But it's not a name Jews chose to call themselves, and it was used as a rude slur, like "spic" or "chink".  Those words also might derive from the group's actual names, but they aren't terms of endearment.  Neither is making comments about a group's supposed stereotypical physical characteristics, or comparing people to animals. 

It's just not kind or civil; it reminds people of horrible things that happened as recently as their grandparents' time.  This is one reason education about the Holocaust is so important, trying to prevent the "othering" that began with caricatures and nasty names. 

I don't know if this helps you understand where I'm coming from.  But I'd be happy to talk to you about this any time ;).
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Although she happens to support Donald Trump, conservatives absolutely should not feel compelled to defend Roseanne . . . Is someone like her really someone that conservatives should want as a representative of their side, anyway? I suppose I can understand how the dearth of conservatives in Hollywood might make conservatives feel compelled to just support whomever they can get, but anyone with a shred of respect or intelligence should think twice before defending a racist tweet from an unhinged conspiracy theorist. Principles should always come before party — and an opposition to racism should always be among your principles.
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« Reply #227 on: May 30, 2018, 09:53:06 pm »
Yes, @EasyAce ;).  Thank you!
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #228 on: May 30, 2018, 10:32:42 pm »
   I, too love Katherine's interpretation of all this current Roseanne crap (usually she's not this perceptive).  I sure wish Trump had not originally called or tweeted about her show back in March, it seems juvenile to be wrapped up in that shit, especially when you're POTUS.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #229 on: May 30, 2018, 10:46:11 pm »
I had no idea George Bush was black!!!

I had no idea that skin color mattered.  Silly me, stuck in a dream of people being judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.  Half a century later, and all liberals can see is skin color.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #230 on: May 30, 2018, 10:50:58 pm »

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http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/06/abortion-practitioner-refers-to-killing-ugly-black-babies/

Now he's awful.  Period.

FINALLY!  This is what it took for someone on the left to be called out for a deplorable heinous statement degrading race.

Here's a hint:  All of those statements were deplorable regardless of the politics, race, etc. of the person saying it.  All racism sucks. Period.  And no, Julianne Malveaux doesn't get a pass because of the skin pigmentation of her parents.  Her statement on hoping a black man dies from what she claims to be stereotypical black behavior is beyond reprehensible.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #231 on: May 30, 2018, 10:54:56 pm »
Still no comment on this one.  Surely there is someone here who has excused every other liberal racist quote posted so far who is willing to excuse this one as well.




(Also still waiting for MSNBC to fire someone over this)
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #232 on: May 30, 2018, 11:59:43 pm »
@sneakypete   I'm not sure you and I ever finished talking about the racial stereotype question. 

There is a general societal idea that it's stupid to make fun of someone because of his race, gender, membership in a group.  There are enough reasons to despise a person because of his individual personality ;).  Stereotyping is a very blunt and lazy way to put someone down.

Moreover, in the not-so-recent history of the US, people were actively categorized and discriminated against because of their race, right?  They were called names, denied jobs, not allowed to get married or buy houses, etc. 

A powerful part of that "dehumanizing" was giving groups derogatory names and comparing them to animals.  Sure, "Heeb" comes from "Hebrew".  But it's not a name Jews chose to call themselves, and it was used as a rude slur, like "spic" or "chink".  Those words also might derive from the group's actual names, but they aren't terms of endearment.  Neither is making comments about a group's supposed stereotypical physical characteristics, or comparing people to animals. 

It's just not kind or civil; it reminds people of horrible things that happened as recently as their grandparents' time.  This is one reason education about the Holocaust is so important, trying to prevent the "othering" that began with caricatures and nasty names. 

I don't know if this helps you understand where I'm coming from.  But I'd be happy to talk to you about this any time ;).
That all sounds good until you consider the tirades against the 'evil (straight) white man' of the past few years, increasingly vitriolic, assuming some level of racism, sexism, and misogyny to the degree that the shoutdown is composed of accusations of one or more of those if that person disagrees with any item of the Liberal agenda..
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #233 on: May 31, 2018, 12:02:27 am »
I had no idea that skin color mattered.  Silly me, stuck in a dream of people being judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.  Half a century later, and all liberals can see is skin color.
It will be irrelevant when they stop asking all those questions about race/ethnicity on applications. :shrug:
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #234 on: May 31, 2018, 12:31:15 am »
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I'm not sure you and I ever finished talking about the racial stereotype question. 

There is a general societal idea that it's stupid to make fun of someone because of his race, gender, membership in a group.  There are enough reasons to despise a person because of his individual personality ;).  Stereotyping is a very blunt and lazy way to put someone down.

I agree,and that's why it makes no sense for me to everybody to start panicking and wanting to call out the National Guard and a Battalion of lawyers when it happens.  So somebody that doesn't even know you tosses a racial slur your way. BFD! If that is the worse thing that ever happens to you,you will have lived a charmed life.


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Moreover, in the not-so-recent history of the US, people were actively categorized and discriminated against because of their race, right?  They were called names, denied jobs, not allowed to get married or buy houses, etc. 

MOST of that is happening right now to white people,and the same people that piss and moan the loudest about discrimination are the ones doing it. Ever see anyone prominent lose their jobs or be sued for that?

So much for the lie of "We want equality".


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A powerful part of that "dehumanizing" was giving groups derogatory names and comparing them to animals.  Sure, "Heeb" comes from "Hebrew".  But it's not a name Jews chose to call themselves, and it was used as a rude slur, like "spic" or "chink".  Those words also might derive from the group's actual names, but they aren't terms of endearment.  Neither is making comments about a group's supposed stereotypical physical characteristics, or comparing people to animals. 

I know,but once again,BGD! People are getting upset because people they don't like anyhow are calling them names? The same people THEY call names like "cracka","honkey", and "white devils"?

BTW,I once asked a Chinese friend what they called white people in the privacy of their homes,and he laughed and said "Round-eyed,big-nosed MoFo's". I thought that was hilarious.




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It's just not kind or civil; it reminds people of horrible things that happened as recently as their grandparents' time.  This is one reason education about the Holocaust is so important, trying to prevent the "othering" that began with caricatures and nasty names. 

I wish someone would educate the Jews about all the Poles,Ukrainians,Gypsies (especially the Gypsies),German homosexuals,petty thief's,and physically or mentally handicapped people were also murdered by the Nazi's.  Jews don't "own" that horror,they only share it.

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I don't know if this helps you understand where I'm coming from.  But I'd be happy to talk to you about this any time ;).

I am certain you are both concerned and sincere. I'm probably both older and more cynical than you are,though. Back when I was in my teens and 20's,I was probably in agreement with you on all of that,but I have since learned that nothing is ever as simple as it seems because the victors keep editing history for their own personal benefit.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #235 on: May 31, 2018, 12:34:20 am »
It will be irrelevant when they stop asking all those questions about race/ethnicity on applications. :shrug:

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« Reply #236 on: May 31, 2018, 12:37:14 am »
On the census form, I always create my own box, and check 'American'.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #237 on: May 31, 2018, 12:47:11 am »
Ambien Drug Maker to Roseanne: ‘Racism Not a Known Side Effect’

by BEN KEW
30 May 2018


The producer of the sedative drug Ambien said “racism is not a known side effect” of their medication after actress Roseanne Barr claimed it might have affected her judgment when she made a racist remark about former Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett.

“People of all races, religions, and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world,” wrote the pharmaceutical company Sanofi on Twitter. “While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”

<..snip..>

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/05/30/ambien-drug-maker-to-roseanne-racism-not-a-known-side-effect/
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #238 on: May 31, 2018, 12:51:48 am »
Ambien Drug Maker to Roseanne: ‘Racism Not a Known Side Effect’

by BEN KEW
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The producer of the sedative drug Ambien said “racism is not a known side effect” of their medication ....

@corbe  You just couldn't make up stuff that funny if you tried.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #239 on: May 31, 2018, 01:39:15 am »
Still no comment on this one.  Surely there is someone here who has excused every other liberal racist quote posted so far who is willing to excuse this one as well.




(Also still waiting for MSNBC to fire someone over this)

@Hoodat, Sorry I missed that one.  Eek -- That's a terrible typo!!!
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #240 on: May 31, 2018, 01:39:32 am »
Ambien Drug Maker to Roseanne: ‘Racism Not a Known Side Effect’

by BEN KEW
30 May 2018


The producer of the sedative drug Ambien said “racism is not a known side effect” of their medication after actress Roseanne Barr claimed it might have affected her judgment when she made a racist remark about former Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett.

“People of all races, religions, and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world,” wrote the pharmaceutical company Sanofi on Twitter. “While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”

<..snip..>

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/05/30/ambien-drug-maker-to-roseanne-racism-not-a-known-side-effect/
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« Reply #241 on: May 31, 2018, 01:41:18 am »
@Hoodat, Sorry I missed that one.  Eek -- That's a terrible typo!!!

Typo?  I think not.
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Re: BREAKING: ABC cancels 'Roseanne' following tweet on Valerie Jarrett
« Reply #242 on: May 31, 2018, 01:42:48 am »
@Hoodat, Sorry I missed that one.  Eek -- That's a terrible typo!!!
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Apparently, Innis himself waved it off, according to the Associated Press at that time in 2002:

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Shortly after [the graphic] appeared, correspondent Gregg Jarrett offered Innis a “profuse apology.”

“Oh, God, I thought you guys thought I was a rapper or something,” Innis replied. “Media bias continues. Just kidding. It’s not the first time it’s happened, but hopefully it’s the last.”

It was strictly a typographical mistake, network spokesman Mark O’Connor said Thursday. He wouldn’t say whether any disciplinary action was taken against the person who made the blunder.

I'm pretty sure a typographical mistake, if that's actually what it was, would only have gotten the one responsible for it an internal reprimand.
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« Reply #243 on: May 31, 2018, 01:43:58 am »
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Apparently, Innis himself waved it off, according to the Associated Press at that time in 2002:

Shortly after [the graphic] appeared, correspondent Gregg Jarrett offered Innis a “profuse apology.”

“Oh, God, I thought you guys thought I was a rapper or something,” Innis replied. “Media bias continues. Just kidding. It’s not the first time it’s happened, but hopefully it’s the last.”

It was strictly a typographical mistake, network spokesman Mark O’Connor said Thursday. He wouldn’t say whether any disciplinary action was taken against the person who made the blunder.

I'm pretty sure a typographical mistake, if that's actually what it was, would only have gotten the one responsible for it an internal reprimand.

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« Reply #244 on: May 31, 2018, 01:47:42 am »
  I just realized his name really is Niger (without the added 'g') Innis, sure it's a typo.  /s
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« Reply #245 on: May 31, 2018, 01:48:14 am »
@Hoodat, I'm absolutely NOT trying to say any of the comments those people made are okay.  And as far as I could tell, they were all called out for their statements.  I agree with you; they were awful. 
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lack or loss of self-control

It's down the list, but it is here: https://www.drugs.com/sfx/ambien-side-effects.html
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« Reply #248 on: May 31, 2018, 02:10:17 am »
Typo?  I think not.
Uh huh. "Accidentally on purpose" was the phrase we used as kids.
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« Reply #249 on: May 31, 2018, 02:18:20 am »
Uh huh. "Accidentally on purpose" was the phrase we used as kids.

They were probably so used to calling him that behind his back that they didn't think twice when typing it.  But typo?  No friggin' way.  Nobody 'accidentally' types that word.
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