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The group has held three two-day gatherings outside San Francisco, New York and Washington, to which Ms. Pritzker and her political adviser invited 20 to 40 people per meeting. Gatherings have drawn influential Democratic operatives like Mr. Bassin and the Democracy Alliance founder Rob Stein. They have also attracted big-name Republican and conservative thinkers, writers and operatives including Mr. Taylor, the legal analyst Benjamin Wittes and the foreign policy hawks Mona Charen, David Frum, Robert Kagan, Mr. Kristol and Jennifer Rubin. Also attending were Mr. McMullin, who ran a long-shot independent conservative presidential campaign against Mr. Trump in 2016, and his running mate, Ms. Finn.

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Hmmm... strange bedfellows.  Or are they?   :pondering:

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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity.  / sarc
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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity.  / sarc

Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.

The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".

So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.

All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress).  These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.

An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
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Assuming any of this is true. 

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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.

The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".

So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.

All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress).  These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.

An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).

Excellent exposition! So glad you post here. You should do so much more.  :patriot:

Incomplete sentence. Do so much more ‘often’.  ^-^
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   I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others. 
   With that being said......oh never mind....
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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity.  / sarc

Yes, thats why they're "quietly", not loudly, "aligning".

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Then again, the only reason McMullin is even famous is because nobody else would step forward.
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.

The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".

So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.

All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress).  These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.

An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).

What a great essay @Mesaclone.  True in every way and, frankly, rather scary.  Can our band of rag tags hold our ranks together and stand up against this polished machine?

I see contempt, even on our little site, for Trump and for the people who support him.  Although, as Trump continues to attempt and also succeed in doing things we like, I think that contingent is getting weaker, both here and among the general public.

You see the arrogant thinking everywhere among the entertainment elites, for example.  They've been shown time and again that the TV shows they push aren't making it with the public, and yet they cancel shows like Last Man Standing and push shows like Rise (which was so blatantly leftist that it had to be cancelled after one season.)

They just cannot believe that people don't want them to rule.  But we don't.
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   I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others. 
   With that being said......oh never mind....

Thanks for that @corbe, but you do align somewhat with NT forces.  That's okay as long as you remember the big picture.  We need Trump right now.
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LOL. McMuffin is on the scene with a cabal of half wits, no wits and straight up morons. Priceless!


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Thanks for that @corbe, but you do align somewhat with NT forces.  That's okay as long as you remember the big picture.  We need Trump right now.

   Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me!  (pretty please).....
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   I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others. 
   With that being said......oh never mind....

FOX News contributor Bill Kristol.  Is Anne Coulter going too?   Now that would be something.  What difference most Republicans are Democrats anyway.  We have seen the biggest issue with voters and the one that Trump strolled into the White House on illegal immigration continue without opposition from Republicans. 

Well there have been a few things that have impressed me about Trump, but they are outweighed by inaction at the border.

I was also impressed by the Embassy move but not by King Cyrus.

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   Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me!  (pretty please).....

@Emjay @corbe  Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz.  People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.
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FOX News contributor Bill Kristol.  Is Anne Coulter going too?   Now that would be something.  What difference most Republicans are Democrats anyway.  We have seen the biggest issue with voters and the one that Trump strolled into the White House on illegal immigration continue without opposition from Republicans. 

Well there have been a few things that have impressed me about Trump, but they are outweighed by inaction at the border.

I was also impressed by the Embassy move but not by King Cyrus.

@Chosen Daughter @corbe  Did either of you read Mesaclone's post?  The forces of evil are vast and powerful and the only person with his finger in the dike right now (no lame puns, please) is President Trump.

He somehow managed to motivate a placid electorate into action.  He has somehow managed to stay more popular than ever in spite of lies by many people in power, maybe including the FBI.

Right now, I think we need to support Trump even if he offends our delicate sensibilities or does not get everything done by snapping his fingers.
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@Emjay @corbe  Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz.  People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.

@TomSea   Lots of coffee, Tom, drink it now, drink it black.
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   Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me!  (pretty please).....

I won't cuff you, but you need to explain what you mean when you say you oppose Populism in the Electorate.
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I won't cuff you, but you need to explain what you mean when you say you oppose Populism in the Electorate.

To h3ll with the labels. I care about the results.

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@Chosen Daughter @corbe  Did either of you read Mesaclone's post?  The forces of evil are vast and powerful and the only person with his finger in the dike right now (no lame puns, please) is President Trump.

He somehow managed to motivate a placid electorate into action.  He has somehow managed to stay more popular than ever in spite of lies by many people in power, maybe including the FBI.

Right now, I think we need to support Trump even if he offends our delicate sensibilities or does not get everything done by snapping his fingers.

   I did read @Mesaclone's post @Emjay and it is a very interesting, enlightening viewpoint as I have come to expect from him.    Below is another very popular person in American Culture (right now), who also means jack $hit to me. /JS





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@Emjay @corbe  Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz.  People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.

Wait - Cruz?  Why are you interjecting the honorable Ted Cruz into this conversation?