Ukraine’s dolphin army in ‘patriotic hunger strike’ after Russian capture

[TomSea]

Ukraine’s dolphin army in ‘patriotic hunger strike’ after Russian capture
May 17, 2018
Kiev official claims mammals starved themselves to death following takeover of military base

YURIY LASHOV/AFP/Getty Images
Dolphins were trained to serve in the Ukrainian navy

Dolphins trained by the Ukranian military in Crimea died after going on hunger strike following their seizure by Russian troops, according to a top Ukrainian official.

The facility for training sea mammals in Sevastopol, Crimea, is one of several Ukrainian naval assets that fell under Russian control in 2014 following Moscow’s annexation of the territory.

Hopes had not been high for the welfare of the animals, with Ukrainian authorities making repeated requests for the return of the mammals, to no avail.

Read more at: http://www.theweek.co.uk/93657/ukraine-s-dolphin-army-in-patriotic-hunger-strike-after-russian-capture

[LucasWhite]

Putin should have fed them to the sharks, on live tv.

[LucasWhite]

If this claim doesn't prove that Kiev is full of it, I don't know what does.  They are biggest bunch of liars and completely ridiculous.

[Sanguine]

Putin should have fed them to the sharks, on live tv.

Why?

[Sanguine]

If this claim doesn't prove that Kiev is full of it, I don't know what does.  They are biggest bunch of liars and completely ridiculous.

By Kiev, you mean the Russians?

[LucasWhite]

Why?

The dolphins are being used by Putsch government in Kiev, which the west helped to institute, after they actively worked toward the downfall of the legitimate government.  Putin had to defend his nation against this aggression by militarily aiding west Ukraine and taking Crimea. 

[Sanguine]

The dolphins are being used by Putsch government in Kiev, which the west helped to institute, after they actively worked toward the downfall of the legitimate government.  Putin had to defend his nation against this aggression by militarily aiding west Ukraine and taking Crimea.

Now, that's an interesting interpretation of the events and history.  Sounds like the Russian version.  As opposed to the true one.

[txradioguy]

The dolphins are being used by Putsch government in Kiev, which the west helped to institute, after they actively worked toward the downfall of the legitimate government.  Putin had to defend his nation against this aggression by militarily aiding west Ukraine and taking Crimea.

Oh you're gonna be a fun one I can tell already.  The government in Kiev isn't a Putsch government.  Putin invaded sovereign nation for no reason not once but twice and both times were based on a lie.  Something you seem to have swallowed whole.

Let me guess...you'd support Vlad retaking Finland too.  Do you think Finland committed "treason against Russian national interests"?

[LucasWhite]

Did Ukraine, through protests, overthrow their elected government, or did they not?

Did Victoria Nuland and the United States not support this, work toward this, celebrate this, give an implicit promise of help, and use taxpayer money to try to make it happen?  Did they not actively work toward the overthrow of the government of Ukraine, another sovereign nation, as they have in many other sovereign nations in recent history?

[Suppressed]

Did Ukraine, through protests, overthrow their elected government, or did they not?

You're ignoring the illegal actions taken against the protesters. 


And that's a nice Russian Red herring to distract from the point of Putin invading a sovereign nation. 

Putin is a Soviet thug.  You wave your oh-so-pure banner of anti-interventionalism, all while it's blood-soaked by Putin.

[txradioguy]

Did Ukraine, through protests, overthrow their elected government, or did they not?

Lots of brutal regimes have been overthrown that way.  That's how the American revolution got started.

Your point?

I would say the illegitimate government was the Russian puppet that originally got elected and then ousted in the Ukraine.

Did Victoria Nuland and the United States not support this, work toward this, celebrate this, give an implicit promise of help, and use taxpayer money to try to make it happen?

No the U.S. didn't.

Did they not actively work toward the overthrow of the government of Ukraine, another sovereign nation, as they have in many other sovereign nations in recent history?

No they didn't.


By the way you didn't address the issue at hand...you just countered with question you could find on any TV "news' broadcast on Sputnik or RT.


In other words you're puking up propaganda and treating it as fact.


What about what Putin has said about Finland?  Do you believe as Vlad does that they illegally separated from Russia in 1917 and are still legally a part of Mother Russia?

[LucasWhite]

Well we just saw this week that the US determines whether an action taken against protesters is illegal or not, based on whether they like/support the country that took it.  It's a double standard.  They wanted to overthrow Ukraine's government in order to detach an ally from Russia.  It make sense for them, but Putin striking back makes sense for Russia.  Who struck the very first blow?  Now that is a good question that probably no one can untangle.

[TomSea]

Well we just saw this week that the US determines whether an action taken against protesters is illegal or not, based on whether they like/support the country that took it.  It's a double standard.  They wanted to overthrow Ukraine's government in order to detach an ally from Russia.  It make sense for them, but Putin striking back makes sense for Russia.  Who struck the very first blow?  Now that is a good question that probably no one can untangle.

Who would want to be part of Russia? The standard of living is low, Putin may be the richest man in the world because of his takeover. They imprison small business men, forget the Jehovah's witnesses,  they are ranked 138 of 180  countries in freedom of the press.

So, if you bring out the Russian propaganda lies, there is nothing to believe from Russia, they can't even get their doping athletes in the Olympics to represent their nation.

[txradioguy]

Well we just saw this week that the US determines whether an action taken against protesters is illegal or not, based on whether they like/support the country that took it.  It's a double standard.  They wanted to overthrow Ukraine's government in order to detach an ally from Russia.  It make sense for them, but Putin striking back makes sense for Russia.  Who struck the very first blow?  Now that is a good question that probably no one can untangle.

What is your source for your claim the U.S. was involved in overthrowing Putin's Puppet in Kiev? 

The first act of war in the Crimea and the Ukraine came from Moscow.

Putin installed his puppet because he is pissed that all of the former countries that made up the USSR of his youth were becoming NATO partner states and now adhering to their old WARSAW Pact allegiances.

So he lied about NAZI's in the Crimea and claimed he was protecting ethnic Russians in the Ukraine. 

The claim that this was a popular uprising in the Ukraine that he's supporting is a lie too.  He's sending in front line Russian troops dressed as "freedom fighters" and hiring former Spetsnaz troops being used as mercenaries and paid by Russia.

And to cover up the fact he's lying to the folks back home in Mother Russia...when the active duty troops he's sent into the Ukraine die...he's burning the bodies so there is no evidence.

[Sanguine]

Well we just saw this week that the US determines whether an action taken against protesters is illegal or not, based on whether they like/support the country that took it.  It's a double standard.  They wanted to overthrow Ukraine's government in order to detach an ally from Russia.  It make sense for them, but Putin striking back makes sense for Russia.  Who struck the very first blow?  Now that is a good question that probably no one can untangle.

It is irrelevant who struck the first blow.  Ukraine is a sovereign nation and they did indeed overthrow the Russian puppet government. 

[Suppressed]

It make sense for them, but Putin striking back makes sense for Russia.  Who struck the very first blow? 

Please give me the date that Ukraine invaded Russia, before Russia had to "strike back".

Hint: there is none, because Russia wasn't "striking back"...they were unilateral aggressors against a sovereign nation.

[Suppressed]

What about what Putin has said about Finland?  Do you believe as Vlad does that they illegally separated from Russia in 1917 and are still legally a part of Mother Russia?

I think @LucasWhite will continue to ignore this, as he backs a wholly indefensible aggressor.

[TomSea]

Thousands of people sat out for months in the Euro Maidan protests and some of that weather was biting cold.  Saying this was a coup seems pretty "lame" as I have heard some informed people note before.  If one goes the conspiracy way, that's a lot of people who participated. That former Ukraine president was impeached and left on his own.

[LucasWhite]

I think @LucasWhite will continue to ignore this, as he backs a wholly indefensible aggressor.

Look I am for Putin's aggression.  If he ruled the world, it would be a better place.  You would never get another knock on your door from Jehovah's Witnesses! 

[LucasWhite]

Please give me the date that Ukraine invaded Russia, before Russia had to "strike back".

Hint: there is none, because Russia wasn't "striking back"...they were unilateral aggressors against a sovereign nation.

Russia had to strike back at US aggression.  They actively worked to overturn the legitimate government of a neighboring country that was his nation's ally.  He would not have been doing his job to his people if he did not.  Of course, Americans would have preferred a Gorbachev response.

[TomSea]

Russia had to strike back at US aggression.  They actively worked to overturn the legitimate government of a neighboring country that was his nation's ally.  He would not have been doing his job to his people if he did not.  Of course, Americans would have preferred a Gorbachev response.

Who says this? The Russian press ranked 138th in the world in freedom of the press out of 180 nations? Consortium news?  Antiwar.com? Pat Buchanan?

Also, calling Ukraine an ally of Russia shows what would be a lack of information, that Yankovich fellow, the former president of Ukraine was pro-West at first. Then, change for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

[LucasWhite]

Who says this? The Russian press ranked 138th in the world in freedom of the press out of 180 nations? Consortium news?  Antiwar.com? Pat Buchanan?

Also, calling Ukraine an ally of Russia shows what would be a lack of information, that Yankovich fellow, the former president of Ukraine was pro-West at first. Then, change for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

It is one of those things that are hard to prove either way, because secretive by nature.  Here is a link though to a German article on it:

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-05/ukraine-usa-maidan-finance
The United States has spent millions on Ukraine over the past few decades. Where did the money go?

Not many believe Mr. Traynor’s theory, but one person who does is the respected Professor John Mearsheimer, who teaches political science at the University of Chicago. He says that Washington continues to try to influence Ukraine even a decade after the Orange Revolution. He’s convinced that the Maidan protests – eventually responsible for the ousting of Mr. Yanukovych on February 22, 2014 – were several years in the making and backed by American cash. A putsch. "America wanted a change, because it wanted to gain influence over Ukraine," Prof. Mearsheimer says.

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I meant that the government was much more favorable to Russia than the current one, which hates Russia. 

[txradioguy]

Look I am for Putin's aggression.  If he ruled the world, it would be a better place.  You would never get another knock on your door from Jehovah's Witnesses! 

No just a knock in the night from the NKVD as you're dragged out of your house in the middle of the night and summarily executed for not displaying the proper thinking or thrown into a cell in the basement at Lubyanka Square.

[txradioguy]

Russia had to strike back at US aggression.  They actively worked to overturn the legitimate government of a neighboring country that was his nation's ally.  He would not have been doing his job to his people if he did not.  Of course, Americans would have preferred a Gorbachev response.

That's not an answer to the question.  That's propaganda designed to avoid the hard truth.

Answer the question.

[LucasWhite]

That's not an answer to the question.  That's propaganda designed to avoid the hard truth.

Answer the question.

You asked what date Ukraine invaded Russia, which is not what I had claimed.  I think that Russia was justified on behalf of the Russian-speaking Ukranians in the East, if for no other reason.  They wanted to be part of Russia and many were willing to give their lives fighting against the new protest-installed government, that toppled the legitimate government.