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« Reply #2850 on: December 15, 2022, 06:44:51 pm »
 Prince Harry’s a cold-hearted traitor to his family and his country
By Piers Morgan   
December 15, 2022 11:00am

‘Above all, LOVE WINS!’ exclaims Meghan Markle at the end of another three-hour whine-a-thon about her oppressed life as a spoiled brat princess, which even included footage of her watching herself whining about the same stuff to Oprah Winfrey last year.

There’s not much more to say about this ruthless social-climbing piece of work who played the Royal Family like a greedy fame-hungry viola, though sadly I will probably be compelled to, such is her unquenchable craving for barreling her way into the news cycle.

At the start of the second, and thankfully final part of her and Prince Harry’s nauseating, tawdry and staggeringly narcissistic Netflix reality series, Meghan finally grasps a tiny semblance of self-awareness when she describes herself, quoting a Palace staffer, as a ‘foreign organism’ that infiltrated the Monarchy.

I’d say she was more of a virus, and a particularly virulent one.

But Meghan’s got what she wanted – global celebrity, a ton of money, and a royal title she continues to exploit to the highest bidder.

The series confirmed everything I thought about her, and none of it is complimentary. Anyone who disowns her own family including her ailing father for cooperating with a photographer to improve his derided image, wouldn’t think twice of encouraging her hapless husband to torch his family.

But my anger at her cynical royal-bashing antics is nothing compared to what I think of Harry’s.

After all, she’s just a divorced American C-list actress now gleefully playing the role of her life, doubtless cheered on by many other woke young women in the US who wish they’d snared themselves a handsome Prince lottery ticket too, and who will fully buy into her ‘it’s all been such a racist struggle’ claptrap.



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Re: Royal Happenings
« Reply #2851 on: December 15, 2022, 06:48:05 pm »
 December 15, 2022 11:30am EST
Queen Elizabeth’s iconic 21st birthday speech edited in ‘Harry & Meghan’ docuseries: ‘Totally misleading’
Queen Elizabeth II's 21st birthday speech in Cape Town, South Africa is considered one of her finest

By Cortney O'Brien | Fox News

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's documentary is under fire again after observant viewers noticed it played an edited version one of Queen Elizabeth II's most famous speeches.

"I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong," then-Princess Elizabeth said in Cape Town, South Africa, on April 21, 1947.

But that's not what viewers heard in the documentary. In the third episode of Part I of "Harry & Meghan," during a discussion of the British monarchy and the Commonwealth, the section in the speech where the Queen says "your service" is omitted. At one point, writer and broadcaster Afua Hirsh describes the Commonwealth as "Empire 2.0."

"I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to the service of our great Imperial family to which we all belong," the edited audio sounds on the documentary.


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The intention of edit, some critics allege, was to make the Queen's pledge of service "seem as if it was all about the empire and nothing else."

The Queen's former spokesman Dickie Arbiter told Newsweek that the edit is "totally misleading and misrepresenting" what the princess said. 

"My guess is had she been alive they wouldn't have done it," he mused. "This is a duplicitous way of authoring history."

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« Reply #2852 on: December 15, 2022, 06:48:31 pm »
Netflix Drama: Beyonce Told Meghan She was ‘Selected to Break Generational Curses’

Meghan Markle reveals that singer Beyoncé Knowles-Carter said she had been “selected to break generation curses” in her ‘Megflix’ documentary, with husband Prince Harry approving the bizarre statement. 

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« Reply #2853 on: December 15, 2022, 06:56:55 pm »
 Kate Middleton and Princess Charlotte match in maroon for Christmas concert

By Kristin Contino

December 15, 2022



The royals are spreading Christmas cheer, singing loud for all to hear.

Kate Middleton looked holiday-ready in a maroon coat dress with a matching clutch and pumps as she arrived at Westminster Abbey today for her second annual “Royal Carols: Together at Christmas” concert.

And her 7-year-old daughter, Princess Charlotte, looked every inch her mom’s mini-me in a double-breasted burgundy coat of her own — which she wore with navy tights and shoes, the better to complement brother Prince George’s and father Prince William’s matching dark blue coats and trousers.

The only real difference between the two princes’ looks were their ties: William, 40, opted for a merlot-colored accessory that matched his wife’s look, while 9-year-old George went for a striped navy number.

The Waleses were joined at the Christmas concert by King Charles III and Queen Camilla, along with Princesses Beatrice and Princess Eugenie (joined by their respective husbands, Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and Jack Brooksbank), Kate’s parents Carole and Michael Middleton, and Kate’s sister Pippa Middleton (joined by husband James Matthews), among other extended family members.

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« Reply #2854 on: December 15, 2022, 07:37:20 pm »
Kate Middleton and Princess Charlotte match in maroon for Christmas concert

By Kristin Contino

December 15, 2022



The royals are spreading Christmas cheer, singing loud for all to hear.

Kate Middleton looked holiday-ready in a maroon coat dress with a matching clutch and pumps as she arrived at Westminster Abbey today for her second annual “Royal Carols: Together at Christmas” concert.

And her 7-year-old daughter, Princess Charlotte, looked every inch her mom’s mini-me in a double-breasted burgundy coat of her own — which she wore with navy tights and shoes, the better to complement brother Prince George’s and father Prince William’s matching dark blue coats and trousers.

The only real difference between the two princes’ looks were their ties: William, 40, opted for a merlot-colored accessory that matched his wife’s look, while 9-year-old George went for a striped navy number.

The Waleses were joined at the Christmas concert by King Charles III and Queen Camilla, along with Princesses Beatrice and Princess Eugenie (joined by their respective husbands, Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and Jack Brooksbank), Kate’s parents Carole and Michael Middleton, and Kate’s sister Pippa Middleton (joined by husband James Matthews), among other extended family members.

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Another lovely family picture.
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Re: Royal Happenings
« Reply #2855 on: December 15, 2022, 09:46:39 pm »
 December 15, 2022 3:37pm EST
'The View' host Sunny Hostin rages at 'racist' royal family after release of 'Harry & Meghan' docuseries
Hostin said Harry and Meghan 'are suffering' and now taking over 'their narrative'

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"The View" co-host Sunny Hostin raged at the royal family on Thursday while the hosts discussed Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's new documentary on Netflix.

Fellow co-host Alyssa Farah Griffin gently critiqued the couple, arguing that they should have a more global perspective on "suffering" as they live in a $30 million home, though she noted they are "charitable people."

"I don’t think you should compare oppression. I don’t think you can compare suffering. They are suffering, and they took over their narrative, and they had every single right to do that, and I think what they went through in terms of how racist that family was against her, in terms of how that racist country was against her, that’s something that King Charles can handle and can take care of, and he seems not to be able to do that," Hostin responded. 

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« Reply #2856 on: December 15, 2022, 09:58:40 pm »
Another lovely family picture.

Quite a ontrast to the clowns milking the mock-u-drama joke on Netflix.
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« Reply #2857 on: December 16, 2022, 12:44:26 am »
Kate Middleton and Princess Charlotte match in maroon for Christmas concert

By Kristin Contino

December 15, 2022



The royals are spreading Christmas cheer, singing loud for all to hear.

Kate Middleton looked holiday-ready in a maroon coat dress with a matching clutch and pumps as she arrived at Westminster Abbey today for her second annual “Royal Carols: Together at Christmas” concert.

And her 7-year-old daughter, Princess Charlotte, looked every inch her mom’s mini-me in a double-breasted burgundy coat of her own — which she wore with navy tights and shoes, the better to complement brother Prince George’s and father Prince William’s matching dark blue coats and trousers.

The only real difference between the two princes’ looks were their ties: William, 40, opted for a merlot-colored accessory that matched his wife’s look, while 9-year-old George went for a striped navy number.

The Waleses were joined at the Christmas concert by King Charles III and Queen Camilla, along with Princesses Beatrice and Princess Eugenie (joined by their respective husbands, Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and Jack Brooksbank), Kate’s parents Carole and Michael Middleton, and Kate’s sister Pippa Middleton (joined by husband James Matthews), among other extended family members.

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Interesting photo (also very nice).  Usually George is beside his father.
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« Reply #2858 on: December 16, 2022, 01:40:43 am »
Interesting photo (also very nice).  Usually George is beside his father.

Good observation, but in looking at the photo the outfits are; navy, maroon, navy and maroon. I just think it made for a better picture.
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« Reply #2859 on: December 16, 2022, 11:36:41 pm »
Very interesting Kennedy podcast! Roughly 27 1/2 minutes.

Kennedy Saves The Crown
Dec 16, 2022
"On this episode, Kennedy sits down with Consultant, Journalist, and Broadcaster Patrick Jephson to discuss his time as Princess Diana’s Private Secretary and Chief of Staff."

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« Reply #2860 on: December 17, 2022, 12:56:23 am »
Harry and Meghan WILL be invited to King's Coronation: Charles is set to invite Sussexes for historic event despite the couple doubling down on their latest barrage of attacks on the monarchy in bombshell Netflix documentary and 'Spare' memoir looming

    The Sussexes are set to be invited to King Charles's Coronation next year
    King will graciously extend the olive branch to his estranged family 
    Plans for historic event are already moving at pace, sources have suggested 
    St Edward's Crown has been removed from Tower of London for resizing 

By Rebecca English, Royal Editor For The Daily Mail

Published: 17:00 EST, 16 December 2022 | Updated: 17:00 EST, 16 December 2022

Harry and Meghan will be invited to King Charles’s Coronation, despite the fallout from their explosive Netflix documentary.

Although the official invitations for next year’s historic event have yet to go out, several well-placed sources have told the Daily Mail that Charles has graciously extended an olive branch to his son and daughter-in-law and told them they will be welcome.

His view is understood not to have changed despite the most recent brickbats thrown at him and other family members by the couple as part of their multi-million-pound deal with the streaming giant. 

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« Reply #2861 on: December 17, 2022, 01:03:00 am »
Subtle dig? Kate Middleton wears matching burgundy outfit with Pippa and Zara Tindall after Meghan Markle claimed she wasn't allowed to wear the same color as other members of royal family in Netflix docuseries

    Many people are convinced Kate - and some other members of the royal family - threw shade towards Meghan by wearing matching burgundy outfits
    Kate, 40, daughter Charlotte, seven, sister Pippa, 39, and Zara Tindall, 41, all donned similar maroon-colored looks to a Christmas service on Thursday
    The coordinated ensembles come days after Meghan claimed she often wore muted colors during appearances to avoid clashing with other royal members
    Meghan said in her and Prince Harry's new Netflix docuseries, Harry & Meghan, that she tried to 'tone down' her outfits to ensure she didn't overshadow anyone
    The Duchess, 41, also said she was told she 'shouldn't be wearing the same color as one of the other, more senior members of the family' 
    But the royals seemed to shut these allegations down - and throw a subtle dig towards Meghan - by showing up in the same shade of red on Thursday evening 

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Published: 16:58 EST, 16 December 2022 | Updated: 17:16 EST, 16 December 2022

Did Kate Middleton just make a subtle dig at Meghan Markle after the release of her Netflix docuseries?

Many people on the web are convinced that the Princess of Wales - and some other members of the royal family - threw shade at the Duchess of Sussex by wearing matching burgundy outfits on Thursday evening.

Numerous members of the royal family showed up to Kate's Christmas carol service at Westminster Abbey in London in similar maroon-colored looks, just days after Meghan claimed that she often wore muted colors during appearances to avoid clashing with other royal members.


Many people are convinced the Princess of Wales - and some other members of the royal family - threw shade towards Meghan by wearing matching burgundy outfits on Thursday



Kate Middleton's first ever public curtsey for King Charles sent royal fans wild last night, as she swept into a low dip while greeting him at her Christmas concert 

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« Reply #2862 on: December 17, 2022, 02:02:00 pm »
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Meghan Markle and Prince Harry share card wishing a ‘joyful holiday season’ - ‘Is this the woke version of Merry Christmas?!’
The paper free card was released online through Harry and Meghan's Archewell Foundation
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Published saturday 17 December 2022 - 11:23

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have released a card wishing people a “joyful holiday season” but failed to mention Christmas anywhere in their message.

The paper free card was released online through their Archewell Foundation and features an image of the pair as well as a short message and their signatures.

It reads: “From our family to yours, and on behalf of our teams at The Archewell Foundation, Archewell Audio, and Archewell Productions, we wish you health, peace, and a very happy new year.” ...

It was revealed today that Meghan and Harry will still be invited to the King’s coronation despite the damaging claims they levelled at the royal family in their Netflix documentary, it has been reported by the Daily Telegraph. ...
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« Reply #2863 on: December 17, 2022, 02:46:35 pm »
December 16, 2022 9:39pm EST
Meghan Markle's half-sister fires back at ex-royal's claims made in Netflix docuseries: 'A series of lies'
Samantha Markle appeared on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight,' calling the duchess a 'tragic comedy'
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« Reply #2864 on: December 17, 2022, 02:52:56 pm »
Nutless Harry and his strumpet at some point will dry up their reality show money, and get to see how the rabble really live.

Then she'll dump his ass, and I hope they televise Harry's "on his knees" mea culpa on national television.  This isn't going to end like the Wallis Simpson saga.  He'll be a REAL Red Headed Step Child, and the world will be laughing at his ass.
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« Reply #2865 on: December 17, 2022, 03:44:14 pm »
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Nutless Harry and his strumpet at some point will dry up their reality show money, and get to see how the rabble really live.

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No,they won't. He is supposed to be worth more than 30 million in trust fund inheritance,AND being a member of the British Royalty (not really,but it is the polite lie everyone has agreed to pretend to believe since he IS related to them via marriage via his slut mother.)

Because of his social position,millionaires and billionaires all over the west will be offering him and his ho free "everything they want" if they will live for free off of them and give their social status a boost.

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Then she'll dump his ass,

I doubt it. HOW is she going to do any "better" in a social sense? She was a "B level actress" (I honestly thought she should have been an A list actress based on the series I saw her on),and at MOST she will have ONE movie and it will be based on her life as a Royal who was dumped. After that,she has shot her wad and nobody will hire her for a car dealership opening.

 
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and I hope they televise Harry's "on his knees" mea culpa on national television.


Maybe this will be aired somewhere,but it won't be in the US or GB. Won't happen here because the wealthy dream of BEING someone like her,and the Royal Family has too much respect and too many followers in GB for this to get produced.

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This isn't going to end like the Wallis Simpson saga.  He'll be a REAL Red Headed Step Child, and the world will be laughing at his ass.

I seriously doubt it will happen,and I seriously doubt he would care if it did. Millions of dollars is the best insulation there is. He will never see any shortage of fawning people,especially females,wanting to be seen with him in the hope that some of the fame will rub off.

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« Reply #2866 on: December 17, 2022, 05:13:15 pm »
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No,they won't. He is supposed to be worth more than 30 million in trust fund inheritance,AND being a member of the British Royalty (not really,but it is the polite lie everyone has agreed to pretend to believe since he IS related to them via marriage via his slut mother.)

Hate to tell you, but $30M won't last with thier lifestyles and expenses.  Without a ready steady income to supplant, I am guessing they run out in 3-6 years.  When you are accustomed to the finest things of life, you pay for them.

Because of his social position,millionaires and billionaires all over the west will be offering him and his ho free "everything they want" if they will live for free off of them and give their social status a boost.

Do you realize that the Harry's biting the hand that feeds you strategy will backfire if he is successful.  If UK royals become Persona-nongrata, he'll follow suit shortly. And oops, there goes the money, the prestige, and the influence.

I doubt it. HOW is she going to do any "better" in a social sense? She was a "B level actress" (I honestly thought she should have been an A list actress based on the series I saw her on),and at MOST she will have ONE movie and it will be based on her life as a Royal who was dumped. After that,she has shot her wad and nobody will hire her for a car dealership opening.

That "B" listing will keep her in the game if this falls apart.  Even JJ Walker is relevant as a trivia question and hawker of Medicare Services and Reverse Mortgages.  The Strumpet could do the same.

 

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« Reply #2867 on: December 17, 2022, 06:13:46 pm »
Their mansion is worth $15 million. Imagine the mortgage (unless they paid cash, then half of his inheritance is tied up in it), property taxes, security, maintenance costs, utility bills, etc ..... that can whittle away that nest egg pretty quickly without a steady stream of high income.

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« Reply #2868 on: December 18, 2022, 12:38:15 pm »
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Do you realize that the Harry's biting the hand that feeds you strategy will backfire if he is successful.

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Do you realize that the Harry's biting the hand that feeds you strategy will backfire if he is successful.

I think if anything it will make him an even more in demand celebrity in the big coastal cities of the US because the rich leftists will love the hell out of him for "Being a rebel and leaving the wealthy royal family".

How long he can keep that going depends on him and how he acts towards the lefties that want him to be an Icon.
If he sucks up to them,he is golden as long as it is the Uber wealthy lefties. NOBODY is more class-conscious than a western leftist.

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« Reply #2869 on: December 18, 2022, 01:46:51 pm »
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I think if anything it will make him an even more in demand celebrity in the big coastal cities of the US because the rich leftists will love the hell out of him for "Being a rebel and leaving the wealthy royal family".

How long he can keep that going depends on him and how he acts towards the lefties that want him to be an Icon.
If he sucks up to them,he is golden as long as it is the Uber wealthy lefties. NOBODY is more class-conscious than a western leftist.

Probably the best analogy to this phenomenom was Edward VIII's scandal with Wallis Simpson.  From 1937 to about 5-10 years this stuff stayed front page news scandal, but interest faded, and everyone forgot by the 50's, except for the hard core Royal watchers.  World War 2 mattered more obviously.

And don't forget....   This was a sitting King, not a nut-less Prince and his strumpet wench who can't hide their  perpencity for grifiting. I give this shit-storm at the most 10 years, before no one cares.
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« Reply #2870 on: December 18, 2022, 02:26:08 pm »
Harry and Meghan Seek ‘Airing of Grievances’ Showdown with Palace

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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle say their struggle is real and seek a showdown with Buckingham Palace so they can air their grievances over the “unfairness” of their Royal life so far.

The Sun newspaper reports the Sussexes are pushing for Prince Harry’s family to make the first peace offering at a Royal summit convened as a form of emotional reparations.

The California-based pair are said to want the “reconciliation meeting” before the coronation of King Charles III next May, to which they will reportedly be invited.

A well-placed source further told the Times the Sussexes want the Royal family to take responsibility for the “hurt and damage” the couple claim to have suffered in every aspect of their lives.


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A Palace source suggested to the newspaper King Charles could be open to a meeting, adding: “If they want to get in touch with the King, they know where he lives.”

But Harry’s autobiography Spare — released next month — is understood to contain “more incendiary” claims which may also need addressing.

On Netflix he accused brother William of raising his voice, “screaming and shouting” during Megxit talks and claimed Charles said things that “simply weren’t true.”

For her part, Meghan took the opportunity to recall the moment she landed in Canada from England in March 2020 hours after finishing her and Harry’s last official event as working members of the Royal Family.

“I tried so hard,” she said she told a security guard, before claiming “that’s the piece that’s so triggering” while lamenting the couple’s every action seemed to have been held up to public ridicule.

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« Reply #2871 on: December 18, 2022, 02:44:12 pm »
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lamenting the couple’s every action seemed to have been held up to public ridicule.
People ridicule that which is ridiculous, Meg.
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« Reply #2872 on: December 19, 2022, 01:00:54 am »
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Meghan Markle and Harry want 'apology' and 'royal summit' with family post Netflix docuseries
Netflix released the final three episodes of 'Harry and Meghan' which details the events surrounding the Duke and Duchess of Sussex leaving the royal family
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex revealed their side of why they left the royal family in a six-part documentary series released through Netflix.

Now with their grievances aired, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are reportedly seeking a "royal summit" with family members to address concerns voiced in the docuseries. In addition, Meghan and Harry want an "apology" from his family.

During the six-hour, episodic documentary, Harry and Meghan both detailed instances where Markle, who is bi-racial, felt unsupported by the Palace while being racially targeted by the British press. 

The Netflix series followed the beginning of their relationship in 2016, their marriage in St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle in 2018, and their ultimate decision to step back as senior members of the royal family in 2020 following what they claimed was scrutiny from inside and outside the Palace.

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« Reply #2873 on: December 19, 2022, 01:02:16 am »
They want an apology..just wait until Harry's book comes out....I don't think there will be any apologies coming..lol
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« Reply #2874 on: December 22, 2022, 09:45:13 pm »
Harry and Meghan WILL be invited to King's Coronation: Charles is set to invite Sussexes for historic event despite the couple doubling down on their latest barrage of attacks on the monarchy in bombshell Netflix documentary and 'Spare' memoir looming

Cool.  Their film crew can play Find Waldo again.   :laugh: