Giuliani says Trump paid $130G to Cohen for 'expenses' over several months

[DB]

No, no, no @DB   People voted for Trump because of the things he promised and stood for in the primaries. 

I don't think people are all that worried about the trains but they are worried about the economy, about controlling illegal immigration and about getting rid of useless and expensive government agencies that do more harm than good, i.e. the EPA, etc.

It is real easy to make the economy buzz when you cut taxes and increase spending... It is a short term buzz, but a buzz none the less... And we're living it... And it is deadly...

[GrouchoTex]

Completely different from Clinton. Clinton screwed an intern IN the White House...but even that wasn't the real issue. What Clinton was in trouble for was perjury, and that's why he was impeached.

Even if Trump knew of the payoff...another who cares...he hasn't committed perjury by testifying otherwise in court, nor has he committed any other related crime.

Must I explain to you the difference between a lie and perjury. Nearly everyone on earth tells a lie now and then, only a select few commit perjury...the first is a personal failure, the second a crime. Hope that helps.

There is one parallel, and it is not a good one.

Clinton's started out as Whitewater and ended up as Lewinsky.
Trump's started out as Russia and ended up as Daniels.

Trust me, I am no Clinton fan, but investigate Whitewater-then stop.
Same with Trump, investigate Russia - then stop.

The issue (since Watergate, I'n my opinion), is that these investigations can drag on until something, anything, is found that puts the investigated in, at minimum, a bad light. at worse, a crime, even if that crime is one we may (or may not) agree is petty.

[truth_seeker]

Let's not start this crap on a thread that has been reasonably discussing this latest news.

The entire investigation is far afield of Russia interference, and EVERY Republican and conservative, should NOT be cheering every morsel found by a wiretap of the President's attorney.

[Emjay]

@DB
And we're still waiting for a solution from the NTs.

Exactly.  That's why I have a few people on ignore.  They constantly do self-indulgent whining with NEVER any solution.  NEVER.  Except I will never vote Republican again with no thought of what that would do to the country.

[XenaLee]

The guy you really have to feel badly for is Roy Moore.  He dates a girl with a retainer and he's ruined.  Trump pays off a porn star through a retainer and he's president.

Life isn't fair....OR logical.  If it were, Hillary would have never even been allowed or able to run for CIC, with her record of criminal activities.

I blame Liberalism for everything.  No, seriously.

[GrouchoTex]

The entire investigation is far afield of Russia interference, and EVERY Republican and conservative, should NOT be cheering every morsel found by a wiretap of the President's attorney.

I happen to agree with you.

[DB]

@DB   So very tacky.  Unable to post without personal insults, I see.

Where's the personal insult @Emjay? Trump is doing "great things" and is someone to aspire to is he not?

[mystery-ak]

The entire investigation is far afield of Russia interference, and EVERY Republican and conservative, should NOT be cheering every morsel found by a wiretap of the President's attorney.

I don't think anyone is cheering..I think most of us here are pissed off that this *investigation* has gone on this long. When there is new info re any of this I am going to post it here to discuss.

[Mesaclone]

I could not have made my own thoughts more clearly. 
Your moral compass is intact. While it is tough for me to admit, you are unassailably correct., Nobody...absolutely nobody voted for President Trump because of his sexual abstinence.  I can't deny it any longer. 

In return for conceding that point I ask, in light of your own words, you admit Trump had the affair, told Cohen to pay Storm off a month before the election, and continues to lie to every voter in America today.

Thanx

In answer to your query @Once-Ler, I assume that Trump had an affair with Daniels but nobody outside of her and Trump "know" if this is true. I would consider it likely that Trump told Cohen to pay her off, but again only Trump and his protected-by-privilege lawyer would "know" if this is true. In both cases, the acts are legal so I don't care which version is true...because I don't really care who the President slept with 12 years prior to his election as President.

As for lying, unless you were in the room with Daniels and/or in the room when Trump spoke with Cohen on the topic, you have no way of "knowing" what was said nor what occurred. In other words, there is no way to know if he is lying or not...and if he were, it has no relevance to anything he is doing as President.

Get back to me when you have evidence of some sort of crime...or something unexpected or of importance...unlike affairs from 12 years ago or a rich guy paying a porn star to be quiet.

[DB]

Exactly.  That's why I have a few people on ignore.  They constantly do self-indulgent whining with NEVER any solution.  NEVER.  Except I will never vote Republican again with no thought of what that would do to the country.

Trump isn't the solution. That should be self evident.

The crater that was once the GOP after his term will likely make that clear.

[Emjay]

It is real easy to make the economy buzz when you cut taxes and increase spending... It is a short term buzz, but a buzz none the less... And we're living it... And it is deadly...

@DB  I thought you said Trump didn't cut taxes?

We could save so much and really decrease the deficit if we made a few changes to the Federal Government which is chock full of agencies that do more harm than good.

We could also save a ton of money by controlling the illegal alien situation.  They are draining the economy and taking jobs from citizens.  Trump is trying to do something about that and will succeed eventually.

Think positive, you will feel better.

[TomSea]

This was originally about Russia, that didn't pan out, collusion doesn't pan out, this is a fishing exhibition that shouldn't eve be happening like Rush said. Now, where's the talk about the guy who threatened Stormy? We'll probably move on to something else in a week's time.

[INVAR]

People voted for Trump because of what he promised to do for America...

Even though they willfully ignore the fact he cannot keep his own marriage vows and promises, somehow they think a man of sleazeball-level character and deceit is going to so what he promises. 

A better example of cognitive dissonance one cannot find.

[Frank Cannon]

The crater that was once the GOP after his term will likely make that clear.

Actually the person who destroyed the mission and reputation of the GOP was Bush.......unless you forgot how they got their ass handed to them in '06 and '08. Donny breathing some new life into it is the only reason the party has been able to limp on as long as it has.

[Emjay]

Live isn't fair....OR logical.  If it were, Hillary would have never even been allowed or able to run for CIC, with her record of criminal activities.

I blame Liberalism for everything.  No, seriously.

@XenaLee   I totally agree with you.  Yes, totally.

[Mesaclone]

@aligncare loves him some liars.

Well, on Nov 7 2016 the only other possibility was to put Hillary Clinton into the White House. Are you arguing we'd be better off if we'd let that happen?

We all knew and know Trump had/has moral warts. We also know he fights like a cornered grizzly bear for conservative issues/causes and is making huge leaps in appointing conservative judges and advancing peace in Korea, among many other conservative advances.

So I'll take the sinner who's getting conservative advances made in governance...over what would have happened under the Socialist Harpy that would otherwise be dismantling the nation.

[Emjay]

Where's the personal insult @Emjay? Trump is doing "great things" and is someone to aspire to is he not?

The insult @DB was you said the other poster had found a 'kindred soul.'  I thought you were implying that the poster had similar values to Trump in the sex thing.  I'm sure I was wrong.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee   I totally agree with you.  Yes, totally.

Dangit....I fixed the spelling error but not fast enough.  Make that "Life", not Live.

Can a good excuse be TOO MUCH caffeine?  lolololol

[Emjay]

Trump isn't the solution. That should be self evident.

The crater that was once the GOP after his term will likely make that clear.

@DB  You are proving my point and in so few words.  No one man is the solution but Trump is moving the country in the right direction.

The fact that you apparently long for the GOP to crater ... when you should be aware of the utter nightmare that the left has become ... is pretty dang sad.

[Mesaclone]

1.  The law is what 9 SCOTUS judges decide.

So if 9 SCOTUS judges say you no longer have the right to speak, bear arms, or be free of unreasonable search and seizure...explicitly...that IS the law?

I think not.

While in nearly all cases I'd defer to SCOTUS, even in disagreement, it is decidedly NOT true that the law is always what they say it is...the constitution and the inalienable rights of man Trump the SCOTUS and that was made clear by the Founding Fathers and by philosophers from Thomas More to Locke.

[truth_seeker]

There is one parallel, and it is not a good one.

Clinton's started out as Whitewater and ended up as Lewinsky.
Trump's started out as Russia and ended up as Daniels.

Trust me, I am no Clinton fan, but investigate Whitewater-then stop.
Same with Trump, investigate Russia - then stop.

The issue (since Watergate, I'n my opinion), is that these investigations can drag on until something, anything, is found that puts the investigated in, at minimum, a bad light. at worse, a crime, even if that crime is one we may (or may not) agree is petty.

Thanks for posting this. I have felt from the start, this entire investigation scenario is payback for the GOP going after Clinton.

It is an awful precedent, to have the defeated administration with power to set in motion, a permanent fishing expedition, turning over anything, until some morsel is found.

Would history be different, if the democrats in 1953 had started an investigation of Eisenhower's wartime mistress in England? Would that have tied up our government for years, preventing full efforts needed at the time?

Likewise what about a bitter Nixon, in 1961 pushing for investigation into JFKs well known affairs?

No, we didn't do that then, but now we seem inclined to cheer every titilating morsel.

[mystery-ak]

Giuliani: Trump knew I was going to get Stormy Daniels revelation 'over with'
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386104-giuliani-trump-knew-i-was-going-to-get-stormy-daniels-revelation-over

[Mesaclone]

There is one parallel, and it is not a good one.

Clinton's started out as Whitewater and ended up as Lewinsky.
Trump's started out as Russia and ended up as Daniels.

Trust me, I am no Clinton fan, but investigate Whitewater-then stop.
Same with Trump, investigate Russia - then stop.

The issue (since Watergate, I'n my opinion), is that these investigations can drag on until something, anything, is found that puts the investigated in, at minimum, a bad light. at worse, a crime, even if that crime is one we may (or may not) agree is petty.

Well said.

[edpc]

Donny breathing some new life into it is the only reason the party has been able to limp on as long as it has.

No, what brought them back from the brink was the TEA party wave that ousted Reid, Schumer, Pelosi, and gave Obama his self-described 'shellacking.'  Then, when the time came, the thanked them by kneecapping the best example from that wave and chose the populist over the conservative.

[aligncare]

I'm on the side of liberty and truth. That currently has nothing in common with Trump or the leftest Democrats.

I care more about the future of my country than I care about your virtue. Trump so far has been true to his campaign promises and true his oath of office. That’s what that should matter to voters.

I’ll let the priest and pastors among you worry about his soul.