Trump: I would rather have presidential election based on the popular vote

[musiclady]

I thought that was one of the major criticisms of Trump, that he was a New York liberal?

Yes, but he's masquerading as a Republican and most liberals are too stupid to realize he's one of their own.

btw, the idea of removing the Electoral College is as liberal as it comes.  It would give every election to the blue states.

[Sanguine]

I thought that was one of the major criticisms of Trump, that he was a New York liberal?

Yes, running on an "R" ticket...

[Chosen Daughter]

HORSESHIT.

Because it is a Republic not a democracy.

[RoosGirl]

I thought that was one of the major criticisms of Trump, that he was a New York liberal?

I'm sure you're right, the liberals in NYC and LA cities would have voted for him with his stances on immigration and the military as opposed to losing NY and CA states with his stances on immigration and the military.   

You can't win individual liberals and lose liberal states unless you change your message, substantially, and if you change your message substantially you can't win conservatives.

[aligncare]

I'm sure you're right, the liberals in NYC and LA cities would have voted for him with his stances on immigration and the military as opposed to losing NY and CA states with his stances on immigration and the military.   

You can't win individual liberals and lose liberal states unless you change your message, substantially, and if you change your message substantially you can't win conservatives.

Your expertise in all matters is truly stunning. I’m planning on building a ship to mars next Tuesday, if you’re not busy then can you give me a hand?

Kidding aside, bet you LOL’d when Trump said he was running for president and thought like, not a snowball’s chance in hell. Be honest now.

[Rivergirl]

Kelly Conway's alternate universe is well populated.............and some of those folks are right here on TBR.

[aligncare]

Kelly Conway's alternate universe is well populated.............and some of those folks are right here on TBR.

Honestly, at first, I thought it was publicity stunt. But then I began studying his background. That’s when I came around.

[RoosGirl]

Your expertise in all matters is truly stunning. I’m planning on building a ship to mars next Tuesday, if you’re not busy then can you give me a hand?

Kidding aside, bet you LOL’d when Trump said he was running for president and thought like, not a snowball’s chance in hell. Be honest now.

Do tell, how does a Trump that got your vote also get the crazy liberal vote of NYC?

[aligncare]

Do tell, how does a Trump that got your vote also get the crazy liberal vote of NYC?

I can’t answer that, because I’m not arguing for a popular vote. I was merely speculating about how politics would change presidential campaigns under such a system.

The electoral college is and remains a brilliant answer to mob rule. The founders got it right.

[edpc]

They also got it right with the 3/5ths Comprise.  As much as they get for racism on the issue, they knew slave states would use the population of citizens with no rights to pack the House.

[Jazzhead]

Did anyone in his inner circle ever let him know he lost the popular vote?

Yeah, he knows.   He would be playing golf all day right now, and be raking it in for speeches and new branding opportunities, and generally be living the life of Riley.

Ivanka knows her ex-husband, and says he shouldn't run again.   I think Trump would be a lot happier to be rid of all the bastards.   

[GrouchoTex]

Given Donald Trump’s ego I assume he believes he could have tailored a winning message even in LA, New York, Chicago. And given his energy and campaign style, whose to say he couldn’t have done it? After all, most people were saying he’d never win the primary, much less the presidency.

yeah, he has beaten the odds, alright, no denying that.
I still think he (or anyone, for that matter), would have to run left to garner enough votes from the major metropolitan areas.
I wouldn't say he could not do it, but I don't think we would like the outcome from him, or anyone, should the popular vote actually be the way we elect our POTUS.

[jpsb]

If you want Cali (LA, San Fran), New York (NYC) and Illinois (Chicago)  to pick our presidents when by all
means do away with the electoral college. Personally I think doing away with the EC is a very bad idea.

[driftdiver]

Sorry this is all mind numblingly wrong.

If the Presidential election went to a popular vote the voting patterns would be far different.   You could take the election by winning less than 10 states.  Which means the candidates would spend all their time in Ohio, California, Pennsylvania, New York, Florida, Michigan, and Texas. 

They would pretty much ignore the rest of the country.   On top of that the hand outs would also be focused on those states.  So govt contracts and everything else would gravitate towards those few states.

[edpc]

On top of that the hand outs would also be focused on those states.  So govt contracts and everything else would gravitate towards those few states.

They might try and given the fact they would have a large number of representatives from the House, things may get through. However, each state only gets two senators. They’d either have to make deals with other states, or see it stopped in the Senate.

[Jazzhead]

Sorry this is all mind numblingly wrong.

If the Presidential election went to a popular vote the voting patterns would be far different.   You could take the election by winning less than 10 states.  Which means the candidates would spend all their time in Ohio, California, Pennsylvania, New York, Florida, Michigan, and Texas. 

They would pretty much ignore the rest of the country.   On top of that the hand outs would also be focused on those states.  So govt contracts and everything else would gravitate towards those few states.

Agreed.  More to the point, it violates the principles of federalism that underlie our union of sovereign states.   The people of the "United States" do not elect the President - the people of the several States do.   Pennsylvania matters, but so does Montana.   If the popular vote were enacted,  the folks in Montana would never see a candidate for President cross their border, ever. 

[jpsb]

HORSESHIT.

He is correct, it is a disaster for Democracy. Fortunately we are a Republic not a Democracy.

[RoosGirl]

I can’t answer that, because I’m not arguing for a popular vote. I was merely speculating about how politics would change presidential campaigns under such a system.

The electoral college is and remains a brilliant answer to mob rule. The founders got it right.

You can answer that question without advocating for a popular vote. As you said, we're speculating. You are speculating that Trump could win the popular vote.  This would require him to win a sizeable chunk of liberal votes in NYC and other liberal big cities.  So, how could he change his message to satisfy those liberals and you at tbe same time?

[jpsb]

You can answer that question without advocating for a popular vote. As you said, we're speculating. You are speculating that Trump could win the popular vote.  This would require him to win a sizeable chunk of liberal votes in NYC and other liberal big cities.  So, how could he change his message to satisfy those liberals and you at tbe same time?

There is no way in hell Trump could win Cali, NY, or Illinois. And without those three there is no way
to win the popular vote.

[INVAR]

He is correct, it is a disaster for Democracy. Fortunately we are a Republic not a Democracy.

We were.

Once.

[aligncare]

You can answer that question without advocating for a popular vote. As you said, we're speculating. You are speculating that Trump could win the popular vote.  This would require him to win a sizeable chunk of liberal votes in NYC and other liberal big cities.  So, how could he change his message to satisfy those liberals and you at tbe same time?

I’ve been wrong many times before. Like when I thought no way would Americans ever elect an inexperienced, community rabble rouser president. But, it happened, twice. I also never saw it coming that some conservatives would have a hard time distinguishing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Politics is weird that way.

So, sorry, I’m out of the predictions game.

[Concerned]

Sorry this is all mind numblingly wrong.

If the Presidential election went to a popular vote the voting patterns would be far different.   You could take the election by winning less than 10 states.  Which means the candidates would spend all their time in Ohio, California, Pennsylvania, New York, Florida, Michigan, and Texas. 

They would pretty much ignore the rest of the country.   On top of that the hand outs would also be focused on those states.  So govt contracts and everything else would gravitate towards those few states.

   Exactly right on all accounts IMO.

[Emjay]

Yeah, he knows.   He would be playing golf all day right now, and be raking it in for speeches and new branding opportunities, and generally be living the life of Riley.

Ivanka knows her ex-husband, and says he shouldn't run again.   I think Trump would be a lot happier to be rid of all the bastards.

He would be crazy to run again.  But, then, he is crazy and I think he will.

[RoosGirl]

I’ve been wrong many times before. Like when I thought no way would Americans ever elect an inexperienced, community rabble rouser president. But, it happened, twice. I also never saw it coming that some conservatives would have a hard time distinguishing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Politics is weird that way.

So, sorry, I’m out of the predictions game.

Uh huh

[DB]

I’ve been wrong many times before. Like when I thought no way would Americans ever elect an inexperienced, community rabble rouser president. But, it happened, twice. I also never saw it coming that some conservatives would have a hard time distinguishing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Politics is weird that way.

So, sorry, I’m out of the predictions game.

Maybe we just don't like the friend of Bill Clinton that Bill personally chose to run for President as a Republican to clear the way for his wife... He was Bill's useful idiot that became too useful...