Cohen Ordered To Disclose Client List By Monday

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NEW YORK — Lawyers for President Donald Trump and his longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen went to court Friday trying to stop federal prosecutors from getting at private material — but wound up with a judge ordering them to disclose Cohen’s client list in public.

U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood on Friday ordered attorneys for Cohen to hand over a list of Cohen’s law clients and proof of their relationship by 10 a.m. Monday, so she can decide whether materials seized from Cohen’s office by federal law enforcement agents last week should be protected by attorney-client privilege.

That list will be a public record, Wood said, because the identities of an attorney’s clients are not subject to attorney-client privilege unless the mere name itself would reveal the kind of advice sought or given.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/13/michael-cohen-hearing-fbi-raid-522053

[Cyber Liberty]

This is an illogical request.  If the FBI was the least bit thorough in their raids of Cohen's offices, they should already have that data.

[Sanguine]

"Kimba Wood"  Sounds familiar.  Wasn't Kimba involved in another dubious judgement?

[XenaLee]

NEW YORK — Lawyers for President Donald Trump and his longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen went to court Friday trying to stop federal prosecutors from getting at private material — but wound up with a judge ordering them to disclose Cohen’s client list in public.

U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood on Friday ordered attorneys for Cohen to hand over a list of Cohen’s law clients and proof of their relationship by 10 a.m. Monday, so she can decide whether materials seized from Cohen’s office by federal law enforcement agents last week should be protected by attorney-client privilege.

That list will be a public record, Wood said, because the identities of an attorney’s clients are not subject to attorney-client privilege unless the mere name itself would reveal the kind of advice sought or given.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/13/michael-cohen-hearing-fbi-raid-522053

This is getting ridiculous.   Asinine, really.  And an obvious attempt to "punish" Cohen for his relationship with the only President that is 'not Hillary'.   Somebody with the authority to do so should stop this fiasco and travesty of justice.  Congress???  [crickets]

[XenaLee]

This is an illogical request.  If the FBI was the least bit thorough in their raids of Cohen's offices, they should already have that data.

And again... the obvious question remains.  What the hell does Cohen's client list have to do with collusion with Russia?

[Cyber Liberty]

And again... the obvious question remains.  What the hell does Cohen's client list have to do with collusion with Russia?

It doesn't.  I was discussing it with Mrs. Liberty who had the same question last night.  If goes something like this:  If the Special Prosecutor comes across an unrelated crime in the process of investigating what he's supposed to, he doesn't ignore the crime, he's supposed to hand it off to the relevant Prosecutor, which in this case was the one in Southern NY.  That is the person who ordered the Cohen raid. 

However, the relationship is somewhat incestuous, because Mueller can still use this to flip Cohen, because he can pressure the NY Prosecutor to drop the charges if Cohen gives Mueller the dirt he wants on Trump.  It's a "Heads I win, Tails you lose" proposition for Mueller because he doesn't have to justify the raid, but he can enjoy the fruits from it, even if they are poisoned.

[240B]

This is an illogical request.  If the FBI was the least bit thorough in their raids of Cohen's offices, they should already have that data.

Even though the press release says they are investigating Cohen's private business deals, all they looked for was everything and anything related to President Trump. They probably forgot to look for things related to the "fake reason" that they were doing all of this in the first place.

The whole thing is another Mueller 'fishing' expedition. And it was, if not illegal, it was certainly a very, very, dubious thing to do. To extort an attorney to turn on his confidant client, wow. That is out of bounds for almost everybody, in America that is, except Mueller and his fanatical pro-Hillary, pro-Democrat, team.

[XenaLee]

It doesn't.  I was discussing it with Mrs. Liberty who had the same question last night.  If goes something like this:  If the Special Prosecutor comes across an unrelated crime in the process of investigating what he's supposed to, he doesn't ignore the crime, he's supposed to hand it off to the relevant Prosecutor, which in this case was the one in Southern NY.  That is the person who ordered the Cohen raid. 

However, the relationship is somewhat incestuous, because Mueller can still use this to flip Cohen, because he can pressure the NY Prosecutor to drop the charges if Cohen gives Mueller the dirt he wants on Trump.  It's a "Heads I win, Tails you lose" proposition for Mueller because he doesn't have to justify the raid, but he can enjoy the fruits from it, even if they are poisoned.

Yes... but it all points to the undeniable fact.... that neither Mueller nor the prosecutor in Southern NY has one solid shred of evidence against Trump or Cohen.   This travesty must not go on.  It literally makes a very un-funny joke of our entire ""Justice"" system, at best.  At worst, it reeks of Soviet style/Gestapo style tactics to 'get' someone any way possible.  The only thing that's missing is their jackbooted thugs frog-marching Trump and/or Cohen to a dark, dank dungeon.  One wonders if maybe that's next....? 

Somebody needs to stop this.  Sessions?  Where are you hiding, you miserable, gutless worm?

[Cyber Liberty]

Even though the press release says they are investigating Cohen's private business deals, all they looked for was everything and anything related to President Trump. They probably forgot to look for things related to the "fake reason" that they were doing all of this in the first place.

The whole thing is another Mueller 'fishing' expedition. And it was, if not illegal, it was certainly a very, very, dubious thing to do. To extort an attorney to turn on his confidant client, wow. That is out of bounds for almost everybody, in America that is, except Mueller and his fanatical pro-Hillary, pro-Democrat, team.

That's why Mueller subcontracted the dirty work or persecuting Cohen out to the local Prosecutor.  This is why it's in Kimba Woods' court.  Mueller's just sitting back and waiting for the fruits.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes... but it all points to the undeniable fact.... that neither Mueller nor the prosecutor in Southern NY has one solid shred of evidence against Trump or Cohen.   This travesty must not go on.  It literally makes a very un-funny joke of our entire ""Justice"" system, at best.  At worst, it reeks of Soviet style/Gestapo style tactics to 'get' someone any way possible.  The only thing that's missing is their jackbooted thugs frog-marching Trump and/or Cohen to a dark, dank dungeon.  One wonders if maybe that's next....? 

Somebody needs to stop this.  Sessions?  Where are you hiding, you miserable, gutless worm?

At this point, I don't have any idea what the NY Prosecutor has on Cohen.  All I know is that Mueller referred it, and stands to gain if that Prosecutor can get any teeth into Cohen.  If it's all on Cohen for acts he committed not involving Trump, then it's a legitimate exercise of Prosecutorial power.  What's shady about it is that Mueller can get Cohen off for these crimes if Cohen flips on Trump about things that are really in Mueller's purview.

[XenaLee]

At this point, I don't have any idea what the NY Prosecutor has on Cohen.  All I know is that Mueller referred it, and stands to gain if that Prosecutor can get any teeth into Cohen.  If it's all on Cohen for acts he committed not involving Trump, then it's a legitimate exercise of Prosecutorial power.  What's shady about it is that Mueller can get Cohen off for these crimes if Cohen flips on Trump about things that are really in Mueller's purview.

We all know.... those of us that know how these leftists roll.... that it's all about leverage.  What they can use against Trump via Cohen.  And without solid evidence of a crime, that goes against what America stands for and has always stood for via our constitution.  That's how I see it.

The DemocRats/leftists are showing each and every one of us... that if they can do this to Trump.... they can do it to any of us, as well.  It's a warning shot.  I think it's time they got some warnings for a refreshing change.

[Cyber Liberty]

We all know.... those of us that know how these leftists roll.... that it's all about leverage.  What they can use against Trump via Cohen.  And without solid evidence of a crime, that goes against what America stands for and has always stood for via our constitution.  That's how I see it.

The DemocRats/leftists are showing each and every one of us... that if they can do this to Trump.... they can do it to any of us, as well.  It's a warning shot.  I think it's time they got some warnings for a refreshing change.

 

[edpc]

And again... the obvious question remains.  What the hell does Cohen's client list have to do with collusion with Russia?

The attorney-client privilege would only extend to actual clients to whom he was giving legal advice.  They’d need a list from him to determine which information may need to be sorted.  As far as collusion goes, McClatchy reported Cohen was in Prague during the 2016 election, possibly in contact with Russians connected to Putin.  He says it’s not true.  Some of the warrant is redacted, so we won’t know anything until that part is known.

[XenaLee]

The attorney-client privilege would only extend to actual clients to whom he was giving legal advice.  They’d need a list from him to determine which information may need to be sorted.  As far as collusion goes, McClatchy reported Cohen was in Prague during the 2016 election, possibly in contact with Russians connected to Putin.  He says it’s not true.  Some of the warrant is redacted, so we won’t know anything until that part is known.

Well.... it would seem like a pretty easy thing to prove, if so.  Cohen knows that.  I think it's just more of the same ongoing fishing expedition to find ANY thing they can use against Trump.  Notice... you aren't seeing anything on lamestream media... about the bogus/BS "report" used to obtain the original FISA warrant.  And you won't.  I'm betting the details of the warrant will not be "reported on" either.

We have seen ample evidence and examples of how the ""Justice System"" is skewed in the favor of Democrats..... and conversely, how it is skewed against anyone else.   This has to stop... someone has to stop/change it... in order for our nation to survive as a free nation based on our constitution.

[Cyber Liberty]

The attorney-client privilege would only extend to actual clients to whom he was giving legal advice.  They’d need a list from him to determine which information may need to be sorted.  As far as collusion goes, McClatchy reported Cohen was in Prague during the 2016 election, possibly in contact with Russians connected to Putin.  He says it’s not true.  Some of the warrant is redacted, so we won’t know anything until that part is known.

Do you honestly believe Prosecutors would not look at evidence they've collected, even if it's deemed "attorney-client privilege?"  They already have the handy exclusion "unless the discussion was itself a crime."  But, the useful fiction must be maintained, hence the demand for information they already have.  I wonder if it would be considered "Perjury" if Cohen's people forget a client or two that appears in the purloined data?

[edpc]

Do you honestly believe Prosecutors would not look at evidence they've collected, even if it's deemed "attorney-client privilege?"  They already have the handy exclusion "unless the discussion was itself a crime."  But, the useful fiction must be maintained, hence the demand for information they already have.  I wonder if it would be considered "Perjury" if Cohen's people forget a client or two that appears in the purloined data?

The process is supposed to go to a specialized group (hilariously called a ‘taint team’) to sort the info that’s privileged.  That way, the prosecutors don’t see things covered under the rule that aren’t related to the case.  It probably wouldn’t be perjury if they didn’t identify someone.  That, however, would exclude them from their claimed list.  Therefore, it’s in their best interests to name everyone he’s given legal advice.  If they don’t claim it beforehand, it would be difficult and embarrassing to say it later.

[Cyber Liberty]

The process is supposed to go to a specialized group (hilariously called a ‘taint team’) to sort the info that’s privileged.  That way, the prosecutors don’t see things covered under the rule that aren’t related to the case.  It probably wouldn’t be perjury if they didn’t identify someone.  That, however, would exclude them from their claimed list.  Therefore, it’s in their best interests to name everyone he’s given legal advice.  If they don’t claim it beforehand, it would be difficult and embarrassing to say it later.

Perzackly.  This is why I think being a cynic is the best approach.

[Sanguine]

The process is supposed to go to a specialized group (hilariously called a ‘taint team’) to sort the info that’s privileged.  That way, the prosecutors don’t see things covered under the rule that aren’t related to the case.  It probably wouldn’t be perjury if they didn’t identify someone.  That, however, would exclude them from their claimed list.  Therefore, it’s in their best interests to name everyone he’s given legal advice.  If they don’t claim it beforehand, it would be difficult and embarrassing to say it later.

Of course they're not supposed to leak classified information or lie to a FISA judge either.