L.A. County wants to help build guest houses in backyards — for homeless people

[Smokin Joe]

Not just that.... but, as a homeowner, I believe that you are legally liable for any injury that befalls someone while on your property.  So yeah... putting homeless guys, probably on drugs and/or drunk... on your premises would put you in major legal jeopardy, I'm thinking.  Dunno for sure, though, how it would work in the land of fruits & nuts.

The flip side is that if you accept the city's money, what does it take to get someone who is dangerous out? Landlord/tenant laws there are crazy, too. You might be stuck with them for a while, unlike a normal apartment.

[DCPatriot]

Seems like there's a violation of the 3rd Amendment in this if California tries to go through with it.

Yes I know it's not troops that are being considered for housing in these people's backyard...but still forcing someone to house people against their will would be a violation IMHO.

Geesh.....where does it say that anybody will be "forced to house people against their will"?

They are considering offering a monetary incentive to property owners, to create said housing.   

[DCPatriot]

Most homeless people are dangerous. These are not the kind of people anyone would want hanging around their children or their home. Most of them are mentally disturbed drug addicts. And most of them are thieves.

While there are some legitimate homeless people who are normal and nice. That is not the norm by any means. A lot of them are felons on the run who are homeless because they want to stay off the grid. Others are homeless because they are unemployable due to a history of child assault, sexual assault, or violence. No one will hire them. Even apartments will not let them in. These are some bad dudes, and bad women.

I wouldn't want them anywhere near me or my family. They may seem nice at first. But it is only a matter of time until they rob you, take whatever they can, and hit the road again. That is their lifestyle. That is what they are used to. That is what they do. There is no 'helping' 90% of them because they do not want help. They like their life exactly as it is.

Getting involved with them will only lead to lots of trouble. Especially once they start inviting their friends over to party and stay with them for a while. Someone may start out with a homeless person, or a homeless family living in their back yard. In three months, there will two dozen people out there, stealing everything in sight and pissing and shitting on the grass. No way. Not me. I want nothing to do with this inevitable disaster.

Says that they're offering $75K to property owners.   

Don't see anything about public utilities....electric, gas, water.    (Speaking about the monthly increases/costs)

[Smokin Joe]

Says that they're offering $75K to property owners.   

Don't see anything about public utilities....electric, gas, water.    (Speaking about the monthly increases/costs)

Just from the horror stories I hear about ordinary rental properties being trashed by tenants, then adding the likelihood that these would be people who are used to plugging the public restrooms at the park (if they use them at all), I'd be disinclined to enroll in such a plan.

I had an old camper van in my outback with a relatively minor engine problem. I let a guy stay in there during the summer for a couple of nights. I ended up having to scrap the van (damage to the interior). It was pretty nice, but after the old analog TV had been torn out of the overhead and the interior trashed, it would not have been worth it to fix. Never again.

[txradioguy]

Geesh.....where does it say that anybody will be "forced to house people against their will"?

They are considering offering a monetary incentive to property owners, to create said housing.

You must have missed the post where @thackney corrected me and I agreed.

[driftdiver]

Geesh.....where does it say that anybody will be "forced to house people against their will"?

They are considering offering a monetary incentive to property owners, to create said housing.

@DCPatriot
I wonder if their neighbors will get compensated.

[truth_seeker]

@240B
My son is working as an EMT and has daily contact with homeless people.  He would agree that nearly all are dangerous and have mental issues.   Alcohol and drug abuse are nearly 100%.   

If homeless people need help there are shelters for them.   Many won't go to the shelters because then they cant drink or do drugs.  Those probably need to be jailed until they can recover from their addiction.

Or they will go to shelters, but will soon leave because they can't or won't observe rules.

Rules= curfew, no drugs or alcohol, etc.

My neighbor has a Masters, is a licensed professional, and recently wrote on a neighborhood blog about ten years of trying to help them.

She said it is mostly futile. The bleeding heart liberals, insist they need more resources. My neighbor says there are adequate resources (she was one for ten years).

[240B]

Or they will go to shelters, but will soon leave because they can't or won't observe rules.

Rules= curfew, no drugs or alcohol, etc.

My neighbor has a Masters, is a licensed professional, and recently wrote on a neighborhood blog about ten years of trying to help them.

She said it is mostly futile. The bleeding heart liberals, insist they need more resources. My neighbor says there are adequate resources (she was one for ten years).

I was at homeless shelter that required anyone who wanted a cot, to take a shower first. It was health and safety issue because most of these guys were filthy. I was personally amazed at how many homeless would turn around and walk away because of the shower. They were not going to take a Goddam shower and that is that! I don't know why. I cannot explain this. Most likely a part of their mental illness.

So instead of sleeping indoors in bug free climate controlled room, they would rather sleep in the woods somewhere or in an alleyway only because they didn't want to take a shower. Oh yea, sure, I definitely want those guys living in my back yard. That's a great idea.

Whenever I dealt with any homeless, I was always very careful to make sure they did not know where I live and they did not have my phone number. The idea of inviting them over to where I live is insanity. Letting them live in my backyard would be beyond insanity. Wherever those people go, they bring trouble with them. That's exactly why they are homeless in the first place.

[WingNot]

Do people actually believe this is acceptable behavior?  I will never understand that part.

 

There is a reason why they are homeless.  That is one. 

[Sanguine]

There is a reason why they are homeless.  That is one.

Yes, homelessness may be the least of their problems.

[GrouchoTex]

Heads up: If it is happening in California, it might be headed your way, too.

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Nope, the only thing heading our way from California is Californians, escaping the craziness.

Last night, on my way home, I saw an SUV with a Golden State Warriors, and a San Francisco 49'ers sticker on the back.

Just a guess, but I figured they weren't from Lampasas, Waxahachie, Cut and Shoot, etc....

I see this kind of thing everyday.

[truth_seeker]

Without proof beyond anecdotal, I believe most are mentally ill as the result of substance usage.

(based on over 24 years of AA meetings, and nearly 47 years living in 2 adjacent zip codes)

Civil libertariians right/left/center argue they have a right to roam as they please. I call it mainstreaming.

Bleeding hearts naively blame the public, for not helping them enough. Enough = $$$$

Conservatives know many have burned all their bridges. Family, treatment, etc.

Please let me know if your community finds/implements good solutions.

 

[txradioguy]

Nope, the only thing heading our way from California is Californians, escaping the craziness.

Last night, on my way home, I saw an SUV with a Golden State Warriors, and a San Francisco 49'ers sticker on the back.

Just a guess, but I figured they weren't from Lampasas, Waxahachie, Cut and Shoot, etc....

I see this kind of thing everyday.

I can't imagine too many San Francisco refugees finding much to like in Lampasas.  I love the place...but then I'm a Texan.

[truth_seeker]

Nope, the only thing heading our way from California is Californians, escaping the craziness.

Last night, on my way home, I saw an SUV with a Golden State Warriors, and a San Francisco 49'ers sticker on the back.

Just a guess, but I figured they weren't from Lampasas, Waxahachie, Cut and Shoot, etc....

I see this kind of thing everyday.

We have relatives that have moved from CA to Texas. Jobs and lower cost of iving are anatraction.

I've had work connections with Texas and Texans since the early 70s, for similar reasons. Energy business.

Decades back one of my favotite bosses, was an Italian American guy who moved from New Jersey to Houston Texas, and his family then called it home. When he got a promotion to come to CA they had mixed feelings.

Generally I believe the people leaving California are the conservatives.

It is my understanding Austin is about as liberal as can be. It is likely younger liberals from SF would enjoy working there in the tech industry.

One of my HS classmate's family was from Lampasas area, and he was named Burleson, the founding Texas family. His dad was a cop. My classmate was a star athlete and scholar. Phd in Psychology and a lifelong government university employee. No military, no great professional accomplishments. 

[dfwgator]

Oh, sure it's voluntary now....but then.....

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[GrouchoTex]

We have relatives that have moved from CA to Texas. Jobs and lower cost of iving are anatraction.

I've had work connections with Texas and Texans since the early 70s, for similar reasons. Energy business.

Decades back one of my favotite bosses, was an Italian American guy who moved from New Jersey to Houston Texas, and his family then called it home. When he got a promotion to come to CA they had mixed feelings.

Generally I believe the people leaving California are the conservatives.

I would agree, a lot are conservatives, and a lot are coming for work reasons.

Interesting that we would see in the late 70's/early 80's, an influx from traditionally rust belt states.
A lot of Illinois. Michigan, and Ohio licence plates.

Back then, if someone told you they left California to come here, most people would ask them "Why?"
Now, California plates are those that I see most often.

[Sanguine]

I can't imagine too many San Francisco refugees finding much to like in Lampasas.  I love the place...but then I'm a Texan.

Seriously?  There's what, 4 BBQ places in Lampasas!

[GrouchoTex]

Seriously?  There's what, 4 BBQ places in Lampasas!

In Lockhart there's 3 or 4.
Not sure how many are in Lampasas.

[txradioguy]

Seriously?  There's what, 4 BBQ places in Lampasas!

Yes there is...and then there is Storms...sad thing is my favorite German restraint is not there anymore :(

[Sanguine]

Yes there is...and then there is Storms...sad thing is my favorite German restraint is not there anymore :(

German restraint?  Don't let Frank see that.

[txradioguy]

German restraint?  Don't let Frank see that.

Restaurant. 

[WingNot]

Yes there is...and then there is Storms...sad thing is my favorite German restraint is not there anymore :(

Was it over when the germans bombed Pearl Harbor.   Nothings over till we say it it.  cuz when the tough get going..... well....the tough get going....

German restraint?  Don't let Frank see that.

Screw Frank!  He is not germane to the subject.

[Fishrrman]

Thackney wrote:
"There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property."

Hmmm....
I wonder if the legal concept of "adverse possession" could come into play here, after a certain number of years have passed by?

What if the homeowner with the "homeless shelter" out back, decides to sell the property -- and then the new buyer comes in and decides he doesn't want the shelter there any more?

Will the construction of the shelter establish a "right" by the city to prevent subsequent property owners from evicting or tearing down the "shelters"?


Wanna see who the REALLY STUPID people are in this world?
Watch the ones who decide to try out this program.
"How to ruin the value of your property" in one, easy lesson.
Calls to mind the "Refugees Welcome" demonstrators in Western Europe...

[goatprairie]

This idea is so stupid only a west coast liberal would think it could work.

This "solution" has all the earmarks of typical, liberal stupidity.  They completely misunderstand the problem, and the "solution" will only make things worse. 
And no matter how many times The Law Of Unintended Consequences strikes liberals, they never learn from their mistakes.

[kevindavis007]

...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.

Well if it was my land, I would make them do all work that needs to be done