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L.A. County wants to help build guest houses in backyards — for homeless people

By Gale Holland
Apr 11, 2018 | 5:00 AM



"Not in my backyard" protests helped block homeless housing in Temple City, delayed it in Boyle Heights and, last month, killed Orange County's plan to relocate homeless people to shelters.

Now, Los Angeles officials want to turn NIMBYism on its head — by paying property owners to put houses for homeless people in their backyards.

In August, the county Board of Supervisors approved a $550,000 pilot program to build a handful of small backyard houses, or upgrade illegally converted garages, for homeowners who agree to host a homeless person or family. Then in February, Bloomberg Philanthropies awarded L.A. a $100,000 Mayor's Challenge grant to study the feasibility of backyard homeless units within the city limits.

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Seems like there's a violation of the 3rd Amendment in this if California tries to go through with it.

Yes I know it's not troops that are being considered for housing in these people's backyard...but still forcing someone to house people against their will would be a violation IMHO.
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Seems like there's a violation of the 3rd Amendment in this if California tries to go through with it.

Yes I know it's not troops that are being considered for housing in these people's backyard...but still forcing someone to house people against their will would be a violation IMHO.

...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.

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https://www.citylab.com/solutions/2017/08/los-angeles-granny-flat-motion-homelessness-yimby/537117/

...The county’s board of supervisors gave the green light to the The Granny Flats Motion project on Tuesday, which would give homeowners up to $75,000 to build a backyard home—if they agree to rent it to a homeless family or individual. (For those who already have a unit to offer, the county will to provide up to $50,000 in subsidies to convert it according to the county’s requirements.) On top of that, the county will also streamline the permitting process, an arguably attractive incentive considering that most of these “accessory dwelling units” in U.S. cities are illegal....
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...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.
This probably violates countless landlord-tenant and zoning laws already on the books in L.A. Of course, in this instance, it would be the gubmint violating said laws, wouldn't it?
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Most homeless people are dangerous. These are not the kind of people anyone would want hanging around their children or their home. Most of them are mentally disturbed drug addicts. And most of them are thieves.

While there are some legitimate homeless people who are normal and nice. That is not the norm by any means. A lot of them are felons on the run who are homeless because they want to stay off the grid. Others are homeless because they are unemployable due to a history of child assault, sexual assault, or violence. No one will hire them. Even apartments will not let them in. These are some bad dudes, and bad women.

I wouldn't want them anywhere near me or my family. They may seem nice at first. But it is only a matter of time until they rob you, take whatever they can, and hit the road again. That is their lifestyle. That is what they are used to. That is what they do. There is no 'helping' 90% of them because they do not want help. They like their life exactly as it is.

Getting involved with them will only lead to lots of trouble. Especially once they start inviting their friends over to party and stay with them for a while. Someone may start out with a homeless person, or a homeless family living in their back yard. In three months, there will two dozen people out there, stealing everything in sight and pissing and shitting on the grass. No way. Not me. I want nothing to do with this inevitable disaster.
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You speak the truth that no one wants to hear, 240B. In addition, there simply are a lot of homeless who don't want shelter. Living in a tarp tent under a bridge suits them just fine.
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Most homeless people are dangerous. These are not the kind of people anyone would want hanging around their children or their home. Most of them are mentally disturbed drug addicts. And most of them are thieves.

While there are some legitimate homeless people who are normal and nice. That is not the norm by any means. A lot of them are felons on the run who are homeless because they want to stay off the grid. Others are homeless because they are unemployable due to a history of child assault, sexual assault, or violence. No one will hire them. Even apartments will not let them in. These are some bad dudes, and bad women.

I wouldn't want them anywhere near me or my family. They may seem nice at first. But it is only a matter of time until they rob you, take whatever they can, and hit the road again. That is their lifestyle. That is what they are used to. That is what they do. There is no 'helping' 90% of them because they do not want help. They like their life exactly as it is.

Getting involved with them will only lead to lots of trouble. Especially once they start inviting their friends over to party and stay with them for a while. Someone may start out with a homeless person, or a homeless family living in their back yard. In three months, there will two dozen people out there, stealing everything in sight and pissing and shitting on the grass. No way. Not me. I want nothing to do with this inevitable disaster.

It does make you wonder what liabilities the county is taking on?

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Most homeless people are dangerous. These are not the kind of people anyone would want hanging around their children or their home. Most of them are mentally disturbed drug addicts. And most of them are thieves.

While there are some legitimate homeless people who are normal and nice. That is not the norm by any means. A lot of them are felons on the run who are homeless because they want to stay off the grid. Others are homeless because they are unemployable due to a history of child assault, sexual assault, or violence. No one will hire them. Even apartments will not let them in. These are some bad dudes, and bad women.

I wouldn't want them anywhere near me or my family. They may seem nice at first. But it is only a matter of time until they rob you, take whatever they can, and hit the road again. That is their lifestyle. That is what they are used to. That is what they do. There is no 'helping' 90% of them because they do not want help. They like their life exactly as it is.

Getting involved with them will only lead to lots of trouble. Especially once they start inviting their friends over to party and stay with them for a while. Someone may start out with a homeless person, or a homeless family living in their back yard. In three months, there will two dozen people out there, stealing everything in sight and pissing and shitting on the grass. No way. Not me. I want nothing to do with this inevitable disaster.

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My son is working as an EMT and has daily contact with homeless people.  He would agree that nearly all are dangerous and have mental issues.   Alcohol and drug abuse are nearly 100%.   

If homeless people need help there are shelters for them.   Many won't go to the shelters because then they cant drink or do drugs.  Those probably need to be jailed until they can recover from their addiction.
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...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.


Ahh ok gotcha.
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What could possibly go wrong by allowing homeless people to live in your back yard in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?  :whistle:
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Boyle Heights was a very nice area when I lived in California.  I do find this a bit disturbing, though.

The city's proposal to Bloomberg was "specifically designed to pair homeowners with homeless Angelenos who are stable, prepared to move in to housing, and ready to get their lives back on track," Garcetti said.

How many times have we heard the words, "ready to get their lives back on track"?  Unless I personally knew who was moving into my backyard, I would not go for this at all.  Again, California is silly.  Sad, but silly.

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What could possibly go wrong by allowing homeless people to live in your back yard in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?  :whistle:

Oh, that, too!

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...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.

If I had a home next door to one of these folks taking in the homeless, I just might get very upset.

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Well guys, I have experience with the V.A. homeless program. So I have been involved with homelessness dealing with veterans and non veterans. Even when these guys are setup by the State with a home or an apartment, they still live like homeless people. Because that is what they know.

They usually build camp and eat and sleep in the living room with their 'kit' that they had on the street. They never use or even go into the bedroom. And every penny they get in 'assistance' they spend on booze or drugs. They get canned food from food stamps or from a public food pantry somewhere. Obviously, they never use the stove or the oven. It is likely don't even know how.

The point is that most, not all, homeless people are used to their life. And putting them in a home or apartment does not change that. They still live like they are homeless, only now they have a cool place to hide and to hide their 'stuff'. And, as I said above, as the weeks pass more and more homeless people move in with them by paying them rent in the form of drugs or booze.

Put one homeless guy in an apartment and come back in three months. The place will be trashed. Drugged out people are coming and going all the time. And the guy you tried to help will be in worse shape than ever. Because now he has access to more drugs and booze than he had on the street and he doesn't have to walk or to beg or to work to get what he needs. So he just melts away.

This is an extremely bad and dangerous idea. And naive people, 'do-gooders', are going to get hurt by it because they just don't know what they are dealing with. Normal people have no points of reference to understand what these people are and how they live.
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What could possibly go wrong by allowing homeless people to live in your back yard in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country?  :whistle:

Not just that.... but, as a homeowner, I believe that you are legally liable for any injury that befalls someone while on your property.  So yeah... putting homeless guys, probably on drugs and/or drunk... on your premises would put you in major legal jeopardy, I'm thinking.  Dunno for sure, though, how it would work in the land of fruits & nuts.
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This idea is so stupid only a west coast liberal would think it could work.
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Boyle Heights was a very nice area when I lived in California.  I do find this a bit disturbing, though.

The city's proposal to Bloomberg was "specifically designed to pair homeowners with homeless Angelenos who are stable, prepared to move in to housing, and ready to get their lives back on track," Garcetti said.

How many times have we heard the words, "ready to get their lives back on track"?  Unless I personally knew who was moving into my backyard, I would not go for this at all.  Again, California is silly.  Sad, but silly.

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There may be some.   My son runs across people who had accidents and insufficient insurance.  One guy had a messed up surgery.  They end up getting addicted to pain meds, those run out so they switch to booze.  Before long they can't work and are stuck.

Perhaps one or two would actually be saved.   Of course there was the one guy who defecated on the stretcher and didn't care.   He was sitting in it, moving around, putting his hands in it and then brushed his face.   The guy didn't care.    Don't you want him for a neighbor?
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This idea is so stupid only a west coast liberal would think it could work.

When I was in So.Cal., I did try to do this one time.  One time.

A friend told me a woman who had been beaten by her husband was in need of assistance for a few months.  I took her and her two teenage daughters into my home.

After a very discomforting argument about why the Constitution had not been signed by a woman nor black person, it was time for her to leave.  She actually came after me.  Her youngest daughter got in front of her to stop her.

The ex-husband who was supposed to have had a restraining order against him, called me.  What? No, he had a restraining order against her.  She was a biter.

I learned my lesson.

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...for homeowners who agree...

There is no one being forced.  These folks are taking government money in exchange for participating in the program.  You too could have a less-than-section-8 housing unit built on your property.

Section 8 housing requires a huge number of items to be met before you can enter the program. They even measure towel bars in bathrooms it is so intrusive. Inspections once a year and paperwork out the ass. You think LA is going to follow this govt' standard or are they going to give themselves dispensation?

BTW if I was a landlord out in the shithole I would be first in line to do this. Why not maximize my profits on a unit.

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Not just that.... but, as a homeowner, I believe that you are legally liable for any injury that befalls someone while on your property.  So yeah... putting homeless guys, probably on drugs and/or drunk... on your premises would put you in major legal jeopardy, I'm thinking.  Dunno for sure, though, how it would work in the land of fruits & nuts.

Yup I think the deductible is like $1000 on my homeowners policy for just such issues.
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This probably violates countless landlord-tenant and zoning laws already on the books in L.A. Of course, in this instance, it would be the gubmint violating said laws, wouldn't it?

I have years in multi-family real estate brokerage. Single family here typically means "1 on a lot," going to 2,3,4 on lots etc.

Usually there is a minimum lot size measured as sq. ft. per unit. These values are not the same from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. (There can also be other measures, like feet of frontage (the width on the street), set backs on four sides, etc. Also percent of lot covered by structures.

People very likely have misconceptions about the entire City of Los Angeles. It has some crap-hole areas, and some really nice ones too.

For something like 15-20 years there have been provisions for "granny flats," which allow a 2nd unit on a single family parcels, for another household. That means cooking. The most common means of permitting a 2nd unit is the cooking exhaust system.

In a single family house it was permissible to rent out a room, to say a college student. But when it came to his/her cooking, you could not add a separate range with exhaust.

Obviously frequently folks don't observe all these rules. In wealthy Newport Beach for example,, weekly rentals are very lucrative. Creating small rental spaces is done without zoning or permitting.

And at the other extreme, in poor areas  sleeping/living quarters are often "bootlegged" in garages.

Heads up: If it is happening in California, it might be headed your way, too.

When they say "Los Angeles," it is the jurisdiction of the City of LA, some 4 million, the 2nd most populous city after New York City.

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When I was in So.Cal., I did try to do this one time.  One time.

A friend told me a woman who had been beaten by her husband was in need of assistance for a few months.  I took her and her two teenage daughters into my home.

After a very discomforting argument about why the Constitution had not been signed by a woman nor black person, it was time for her to leave.  She actually came after me.  Her youngest daughter got in front of her to stop her.

The ex-husband who was supposed to have had a restraining order against him, called me.  What? No, he had a restraining order against her.  She was a biter.

I learned my lesson.

She made the best creole food, though.  LOL!

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No good deed goes unpunished.... truly. 

I learned that lesson when I let a "homeless" friend move in with me once.  I was repaid by her inviting her husband (they were separated) over to my house at 2 am where they proceeded to have a party, laughing and talking loudly, right outside of my bedroom window... where I was trying to get enough sleep for work that day starting at 7 am.  Some people can be so inconsiderate.

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Section 8 housing requires a huge number of items to be met before you can enter the program. They even measure towel bars in bathrooms it is so intrusive. Inspections once a year and paperwork out the ass. You think LA is going to follow this govt' standard or are they going to give themselves dispensation?

BTW if I was a landlord out in the shithole I would be first in line to do this. Why not maximize my profits on a unit.

No, which is why I said "less than".  Also will be the tenants.
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No good deed goes unpunished.... truly. 

I learned that lesson when I let a "homeless" friend move in with me once.  I was repaid by her inviting her husband (they were separated) over to my house at 2 am where they proceeded to have a party, laughing and talking loudly, right outside of my bedroom window... where I was trying to get enough sleep for work that day starting at 7 am.  Some people can be so inconsiderate.

Do people actually believe this is acceptable behavior?  I will never understand that part.

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