FBI raids Trump lawyer's office

[Smokin Joe]

....By the way, eventually the government had to settle with Steven Hatfill to the tune of millions.

That man went through 5 years of unmitigated Hell over that.

[XenaLee]

....By the way, eventually the government had to settle with Steven Hatfill to the tune of millions.

Ari Fleischer just mentioned this case on Fox....as a tragic mistake.  Tragic and yet Mueller is still out there racking up more "tragic mistakes"?  Something stinks to hi-heaven here. 

In a normal, logical world.... people get axed/fired for making such ""mistakes"".   We have been fundamentally transformed into another .... entirely different world, apparently.

[XenaLee]

This is payback for White Water/Lewinsky, impeaching Clinton.

Makes one wonder how GW Bush escaped? Maybe all of the photos of the Clintons with the Bushes explains more than a friendly relationship between two political family dynasties.

As in status quo. As in never can seem to get  borders protected, or wars fully won, etc.

As in Trump is a dangerous outsider, and he threatens their comfortable, cordial status quo.

Might explain how Bush seemed to change and morph into "liberal George" in his 2nd term.  Perhaps the illusion that we have two separate parties was too much of a strain for him?   

[skeeter]

I just hope that the POTUS gets pissed off enough that he finds a way to rip the rock off the swarming critters of the Obama administration and start prosecuting them and any others who have been complicit in their egregious crimes up to and likely including treason.

Going scorched earth on the rest of the career bureaucrat appointees still lodged in DC nooks & crannies would be Trump's best course to take. Fire, prosecute, whatever.

Hit the deep state bastards where they live and deny it has anything to do with the investigation. If they succeed in hobbling his presidency at least disassemble their machine in exchange.

[Sanguine]

Going scorched earth on the rest of the career bureaucrat appointees still lodged in DC nooks & crannies would be Trump's best course to take. Fire, prosecute, whatever.

Hit the deep state bastards where they live and deny it has anything to do with the investigation. If they succeed in hobbling his presidency at least disassemble their machine in exchange.

I'm beginning to come around to this idea.  I think going "nuclear" may be the only way to expose the cockroaches.

[DCPatriot]

I'm beginning to come around to this idea.  I think going "nuclear" may be the only way to expose the cockroaches.

The media would have a field day.  So would many of the 'round-the-bend- NTs.....the ones that still refuse to cut the man a break.

And yet, reading some of the more outspoken critics here who cringe at the sight of his name on the screen... that's the 'break'...the thaw that might be needed to bring some of us back on the same bench.

I'm seeing rabid Trump haters express anger on this thread...at what the alphabets are getting away with.

They will have to ultimately support, or at a minimum, encourage President Trump to "Go Nuclear!"    ....providing 'advice' all day, everyday. 

[XenaLee]

I'm beginning to come around to this idea.  I think going "nuclear" may be the only way to expose the cockroaches.

I disagree.   Losing it (going nuclear) is what the idiot left wants Trump to do.  He needs to remain calm, cool and collected in the knowledge that Mueller & Co. have NOTHING they can use against him... which is why the desperation move on Cohen.  The left's attempts to provoke Trump to react is something Trump 'should' not only be aware of, but he should be fully able to handle and deal with accordingly.... since he's such an experienced "deal-maker/negotiator".  That's how I see it.
 

[aligncare]

I disagree.   Losing it (going nuclear) is what the idiot left wants Trump to do.  He needs to remain calm, cool and collected in the knowledge that Mueller & Co. have NOTHING they can use against him... which is why the desperation move on Cohen.  The left's attempts to provoke Trump to react is something Trump 'should' not only be aware of, but he should be fully able to handle and deal with accordingly.... since he's such an experienced "deal-maker/negotiator".  That's how I see it.
 

Rush just agreed with you.  ^-^

[Sanguine]

The media would have a field day.  So would many of the 'round-the-bend- NTs.....the ones that still refuse to cut the man a break.

And yet, reading some of the more outspoken critics here who cringe at the sight of his name on the screen... that's the 'break'...the thaw that might be needed to bring some of us back on the same bench.

I'm seeing rabid Trump haters express anger on this thread...at what the alphabets are getting away with.

They will have to ultimately support, or at a minimum, encourage President Trump to "Go Nuclear!"    ....providing 'advice' all day, everyday.

It's also going to take rabid Trump lovers to admit when and where he's wrong to bring us all back together.  The anger and resentment will remain as long as one side refuses to budge.

(As you know, I'm agnostic.  I like some things Trump has done, don't like the more boneheaded things.  I don't care for DT as a person, but then I don't feel that it matters much whether little ol' me likes him personally or not as long as he does the right things in his capacity as president.) 

[XenaLee]

Rush just agreed with you.  ^-^

It's only logical...lol.

[Sanguine]

I disagree.   Losing it (going nuclear) is what the idiot left wants Trump to do.  He needs to remain calm, cool and collected in the knowledge that Mueller & Co. have NOTHING they can use against him... which is why the desperation move on Cohen.  The left's attempts to provoke Trump to react is something Trump 'should' not only be aware of, but he should be fully able to handle and deal with accordingly.... since he's such an experienced "deal-maker/negotiator".  That's how I see it.
 

Oh, I agree he should remain calm, cool and collected, but it's becoming increasingly clear that nothing short of an all out offensive is going to get to the corruption that is DC now.

[aligncare]

It's also going to take rabid Trump lovers to admit when and where he's wrong to bring us all back together.  The anger and resentment will remain as long as one side refuses to budge.

(As you know, I'm agnostic.  I like some things Trump has done, don't like the more boneheaded things.  I don't care for DT as a person, but then I don't feel that it matters much whether little ol' me likes him personally or not as long as he does the right things in his capacity as president.)

Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.

[dfwgator]

Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.

As they say, "You don't get to fight with the Army you want, you have to fight with the Army you have."    And like it or not,  Trump is the Army we have.

[DCPatriot]

It's also going to take rabid Trump lovers to admit when and where he's wrong to bring us all back together.  The anger and resentment will remain as long as one side refuses to budge.

(As you know, I'm agnostic.  I like some things Trump has done, don't like the more boneheaded things.  I don't care for DT as a person, but then I don't feel that it matters much whether little ol' me likes him personally or not as long as he does the right things in his capacity as president.)

You've always been a 'Steady Eddie' @Sanguine regarding Trump the candidate...the Nominee...and the POTUS.

Let me be clearer.  Not looking for the day when everybody feels the same way I do about the man.

My life experiences compel me to trust the man with my life....in this day and age.  The epitome of "Man for the Times".

If you've got another name other than 'Trump', given the current state of the not-so-velvet coup taking place....let's hear it.   

[Smokin Joe]

Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.

What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, regardless of who is in which position.

This witch hunt just keeps going, but there are other fish to fry. Like I have commented, the Fire engines are chasing a guy with a cigarette, while the refinery is burning across town.
The crimes of the past administration, many and egregious, have not been addressed, while they try to find something Trump may have done wrong. It's obvious, politically motivated (not legally motivated, as in evidence of a law having been broken). Cast this broad a net on the other side of the boat, and they won't be able to put it all on deck at once.

[XenaLee]

Oh, I agree he should remain calm, cool and collected, but it's becoming increasingly clear that nothing short of an all out offensive is going to get to the corruption that is DC now.

When the ""evidence"" used to produce the warrant turns up insufficient or inadequate (sound familiar?)....  Trump should push Congress to defund the ad infinitum witch-hunt against Trump's bogus collusion investigation... which has turned up no evidence of any kind.  Any GOPer who refuses to do so should be considered to be on the OTHER (rat) side of the aisle, at this point. 

Once the investigation is gone and over.... Trump should then proceed to 'go after' the swamp critters.  Cause they're damned sure still going to be going after Trump, albeit under the radar.

Right now, he should focus on getting to that point where he can feel free to do an all out offensive.   Now is crucial... and if he blows it, he WILL be impeached due to loss of confidence among voters .... which will hand control back to the rats.

[catfish1957]

Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.

Mostly agree.  I obviously am not one of Trump's fans, but what has taken place the past few days should give every American a chill.  Case study on what a out of control governmental agency can do when left to run amok.

I will support the POT"US when he does right,  and call him out when he screws up too.  That's being objective.

[driftdiver]

When the ""evidence"" used to produce the warrant turns up insufficient or inadequate (sound familiar?)....  Trump should push Congress to defund the ad infinitum witch-hunt against Trump's bogus collusion investigation... which has turned up no evidence of any kind.  Any GOPer who refuses to do so should be considered to be on the OTHER (rat) side of the aisle, at this point. 

Once the investigation is gone and over.... Trump should then proceed to 'go after' the swamp critters.  Cause they're damned sure still going to be going after Trump, albeit under the radar.

Right now, he should focus on getting to that point where he can feel free to do an all out offensive.   Now is crucial... and if he blows it, he WILL be impeached due to loss of confidence among voters .... which will hand control back to the rats.

@XenaLee
I think playing nice is a losing game plan.   He needs to clean house.   Turn over all their existing investigations to the marshals and give a pink slip to the Agency.

[XenaLee]

What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, regardless of who is in which position.

This witch hunt just keeps going, but there are other fish to fry. Like I have commented, the Fire engines are chasing a guy with a cigarette, while the refinery is burning across town.
The crimes of the past administration, many and egregious, have not been addressed, while they try to find something Trump may have done wrong. It's obvious, politically motivated (not legally motivated, as in evidence of a law having been broken). Cast this broad a net on the other side of the boat, and they won't be able to put it all on deck at once.

And meanwhile.... while all of this domestic BS is ongoing.... we could very well be about to get into a real shooting war over Syria.  I can see it now... Russia is launching missiles over the USA, they're going off, but still CNN and the lamestream media are talking about "Stormy" and impeaching Trump.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee
I think playing nice is a losing game plan.   He needs to clean house.   Turn over all their existing investigations to the marshals and give a pink slip to the Agency.

He has no other real choice right now.   The left knows he has a hot temper.  They're counting on making him lose it.  If he stops playing nice AT THIS POINT.... he will be toast (which is what the left is wet-dreaming about as we speak).

[Sanguine]

You've always been a 'Steady Eddie' @Sanguine regarding Trump the candidate...the Nominee...and the POTUS.

Let me be clearer.  Not looking for the day when everybody feels the same way I do about the man.

My life experiences compel me to trust the man with my life....in this day and age.  The epitome of "Man for the Times".

If you've got another name other than 'Trump', given the current state of the not-so-velvet coup taking place....let's hear it.   

No, Trump is the President.  I was only addressing the point that both sides of the ET/NT divide have to admit some things before there can be any reconciliation.

And, yes, the current events give me a chill and should every liberty-loving person.

[DCPatriot]

Mostly agree.  I obviously am not one of Trump's fans, but what has taken place the past few days should give every American a chill.  Case study on what a out of control governmental agency can do when left to run amok.

I will support the POT"US when he does right,  and call him out when he screws up too.  That's being objective.

 

[driftdiver]

He has no other real choice right now.   The left knows he has a hot temper.  They're counting on making him lose it.  If he stops playing nice AT THIS POINT.... he will be toast (which is what the left is wet-dreaming about as we speak).

IMO he's toast if he doesn't.   Its obvious the left has little concern for the rule of law and will go to any length to find a crime.  The GOPe and Dems must get rid of him otherwise it could be them going to jail.

[aligncare]

As they say, "You don't get to fight with the Army you want, you have to fight with the Army you have."    And like it or not,  Trump is the Army we have.

I’m glad you used that analogy, because I see this as war. When war becomes necessary you must do anything to win, even to the point of “sacrificing your principles” to use a worn out phrase. To do anything less is political death.

[DCPatriot]

I’m glad you used that analogy, because I see this as war. When war becomes necessary you must do anything to win, even to the point of “sacrificing your principles” to use a worn out phrase. To do anything less is political death.

Awwwwwwww.....you didn't!

Shelter in place....incoming.......