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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2018, 01:41:48 am »
Which I've also mentioned in one of my post.

Yet,Which seems most likely?
To believe that the FBI, DOJ, etc, would continue to shoot themselves in the foot?
That they would do this now to save face, out of some sort of pride?
A real coup attempt?
Trump would hire a lawyer who would commit fraud?
Trump ( or someone) is setting up Cohen, or vice-versa?

I don't yet know the answer, myself, but as you mentioned, lawyer-client privilege is a big deal, and to get a court to agree that it can be removed is a big deal.

Given what we can ascertain from the FISA corruption/IRS/FBI-Hildabeast-Comey et al;, that their 'fix' to make her crowning a done deal fell through - I think the Oligarchy is flexing muscles to do what they have to do openly under the thinnest veil of legitimacy.  They know the majority of the people are stupid and they already have the media and the Republican leadership in their pockets.   Such action shows the world that they are capable of getting rid of any threat to their well-oiled corruption machine and set a permanent precedent that they can protect their own criminality from prosecution, and take out anyone that We the Little People happen to vote for in overwhelming margins too great to sweep away with fraud.

The Alphabets are proven Praetorians for the Oligarchy.  I trust nothing that they say or do.   If justice and the Law actually mattered to any of them, Hildabeast and her cabal would have been up on charges instead of exonerated in advance.

I don't know what you call this - but given the protective shielding of the Democrats by the very same Praetorians going full tilt on Trump, I'm dubious.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2018, 01:41:53 am »

Trump had dinner with Cohen the night before the 60 Minutes interview with Stormy.  Wait until the rumors Mueller bugged Mar-a-Lago start flying.

LOL.
I think I'd be more surprised if Mar-a-Lago wasn't bugged.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2018, 01:47:10 am »
Which I've also mentioned in one of my post.

Yet,Which seems most likely?
To believe that the FBI, DOJ, etc, would continue to shoot themselves in the foot? 

Shoot themselves in the foot? These aren't boy scouts.  They're corrupt political operatives and they are winning a war you apparently don't want to know we're in.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2018, 01:49:36 am »
Given what we can ascertain from the FISA corruption/IRS/FBI-Hildabeast-Comey et al;, that their 'fix' to make her crowning a done deal fell through - I think the Oligarchy is flexing muscles to do what they have to do openly under the thinnest veil of legitimacy.  They know the majority of the people are stupid and they already have the media and the Republican leadership in their pockets.   Such action shows the world that they are capable of getting rid of any threat to their well-oiled corruption machine and set a permanent precedent that they can protect their own criminality from prosecution, and take out anyone that We the Little People happen to vote for in overwhelming margins too great to sweep away with fraud.

The Alphabets are proven Praetorians for the Oligarchy.  I trust nothing that they say or do.   If justice and the Law actually mattered to any of them, Hildabeast and her cabal would have been up on charges instead of exonerated in advance.

I don't know what you call this - but given the protective shielding of the Democrats by the very same Praetorians going full tilt on Trump, I'm dubious.

I won't disagree, and the alphabets have blown their credibility.
The media constantly beating their left wing drum doesn't help things.
There will be people who will assume guilt, because the media has already brainwashed them into thinking, "Well, he must be guilty of something."

I still wonder, if in this case only, that where there's smoke....

Pretty gutsy move, if they can't back it up.

Would I put it past the alphabets?
No, I would not.

We shall see soon enough, I suppose.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2018, 01:53:13 am »
Shoot themselves in the foot? These aren't boy scouts.  They're corrupt political operatives and they are winning a war you apparently don't want to know we're in.

LOL
You are cherry-picking my post.
I am not in denial of anything.
I don't trust them, either.
I've said so.
Yet, you seem to think that it isn't possible that a lawyer could be crooked, and that Trump could have hired said lawyer.
So who is in denial of "apparently not wanting to know"?
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #105 on: April 10, 2018, 01:55:03 am »
They can say whatever they damned well please.   They already do, in fact.  The real question is...

can they prove it?

If the payment was not a campaign contribution, and if they can't prove that it was.... what law was actually broken?

I typed "in-kind" contribution, but this stupid Apple software auto-corrected it to online.

It's a campaign contribution of it's money or services that were given to aid the campaign in some way. That's the legal argument as I understand it.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #106 on: April 10, 2018, 01:58:04 am »
    As a Cruzer, I'd be very concerned if the FBI was raiding President Cruz's personal attorney's offices for Bank and Wire Fraud pertaining to him paying off a Ho or getting a sweetheart Hotel deal in Havana.  I'd start having my doubts about him, JS.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #107 on: April 10, 2018, 02:03:18 am »
    As a Cruzer, I'd be very concerned if the FBI was raiding President Cruz's personal attorney's offices for Bank and Wire Fraud pertaining to him paying off a Ho or getting a sweetheart Hotel deal in Havana.  I'd start having my doubts about him, JS.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #108 on: April 10, 2018, 02:11:39 am »
I typed "in-kind" contribution, but this stupid Apple software auto-corrected it to online.

It's a campaign contribution of it's money or services that were given to aid the campaign in some way. That's the legal argument as I understand it.

Well, for argument's sake... let's say it really was a payment to Stormy for "ho services rendered".   How could that be construed as a "campaign aid or contribution"?  No, seriously.    :rolling:

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #109 on: April 10, 2018, 02:13:36 am »
Shhhh......It's only the deep state. To say anything else means you're not facing reality.
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    I agree with @INVAR it's beyond Deep State, it's a Black Hole that happens to like Orange things.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #110 on: April 10, 2018, 02:16:28 am »
Well, for argument's sake... let's say it really was a payment to Stormy for "ho services rendered".   How could that be construed as a "campaign aid or contribution"?  No, seriously.    :rolling:

it was a payment to keep her quiet, to prevent damage to the campaign. I am sure such a charge would never be brought against the Clintons, but it looks like that's what is going to happen here. also some charge of bank fraud (against Cohen) is rumored. Both of these are charges against Cohen, not Trump directly.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #111 on: April 10, 2018, 02:17:05 am »

    I agree with @INVAR it's beyond Deep State, it's a Black Hole that happens to like Orange things.

I happen to think both things may be true.

(1) There is a concerted effort to stop Trump and to impeach him.
(2) Trump's lawyer is crooked.

Don't know for sure, but both could be true at the same time.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #112 on: April 10, 2018, 02:18:41 am »

It's the same scenario surrounding the payoffs and cover-up around John Edwards and Rielle Hunter.  What saved Edwards was the timing.  That could be Cohen's undoing, since it was two weeks before the election.  When Trump said he didn't know about the payment, it put Cohen in a tight spot.  He'll have to back the president up or contradict him.  Either way, it's a problem.
 

Good point.  Will he fall on his sword for Trump on that?  Time will tell.  I find it hard, if not impossible, to believe that if Cohen paid off Stormy.... he didn't tell Trump about it.  That would be a lie that would be easy to target by Mueller.  It's one Mueller obviously couldn't pass up.


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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2018, 02:21:06 am »
it was a payment to keep her quiet, to prevent damage to the campaign. I am sure such a charge would never be brought against the Clintons, but it looks like that's what is going to happen here. also some charge of bank fraud (against Cohen) is rumored. Both of these are charges against Cohen, not Trump directly.

Yeah.... but.... if Mueller can make things tough enough on Cohen, Cohen may spill the beans and out Trump.... or .....throw him under that bus (assuming Trump is really innocent).  That's how Mueller works his dark magic.  KGB/Mafia style.


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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #114 on: April 10, 2018, 02:23:55 am »
Good point.  Will he fall on his sword for Trump on that?  Time will tell.  I find it hard, if not impossible, to believe that if Cohen paid off Stormy.... he didn't tell Trump about it.  That would be a lie that would be easy to target by Mueller.  It's one Mueller obviously couldn't pass up.


I cannot recall who it was, but the other day, someone said Cohen could be Trump's version of John Dean. He could be in the position to either take the blame or be a star witness. Dean chose the latter.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #115 on: April 10, 2018, 02:25:16 am »
How big is Mueller's budget, and how close has he come to running out of money?

Like every federal budget it appears to be infinite.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #116 on: April 10, 2018, 02:26:04 am »
I happen to think both things may be true.

(1) There is a concerted effort to stop Trump and to impeach him.
(2) Trump's lawyer is crooked.

Don't know for sure, but both could be true at the same time.

I am having trouble finding out what Cohen's legal liability is on this issue (jail time/$). I think what this number is will be directional proportional to his level of cooperation,
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #117 on: April 10, 2018, 02:27:35 am »
I won't disagree, and the alphabets have blown their credibility.
The media constantly beating their left wing drum doesn't help things.
There will be people who will assume guilt, because the media has already brainwashed them into thinking, "Well, he must be guilty of something."

I still wonder, if in this case only, that where there's smoke....

Pretty gutsy move, if they can't back it up.

Would I put it past the alphabets?
No, I would not.

Look for the record I am not saying that Trump is squeaky clean - and that his lawyer did not pay this sleazy porn star hush money before the election.  Trump has publicly bragged about bedding other men's wives, so all the consequences of that kind of mindset and behavior are likely.

My beef is that we have a totally corrupt, untrustworthy government at all levels - ESPECIALLY the Alphabets, where Presidents come and go and Operatives for the Oligarchy remain.

Since Hildabeast and the Democrat cabal engaged in overt treason and criminality and are walking scot free without so much as a reprimand, having been exonerated in advance - this bullshit op by the FBI and Mueller against Trump just fuels my distrust to levels that consider them criminal, treasonous and a clear and present danger to what remains of the Republic.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #118 on: April 10, 2018, 02:29:23 am »
I am having trouble finding out what Cohen's legal liability is on this issue (jail time/$). I think what this number is will be directional proportional to his level of cooperation,

It's usually the way these things work, isn't it?

(BTW, not to hijack a thread, but Astros beating Twins 1-0,bottom of the 6th)

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #119 on: April 10, 2018, 02:32:51 am »
Look for the record I am not saying that Trump is squeaky clean - and that his lawyer did not pay this sleazy porn star hush money before the election.  Trump has publicly bragged about bedding other men's wives, so all the consequences of that kind of mindset and behavior are likely.

My beef is that we have a totally corrupt, untrustworthy government at all levels - ESPECIALLY the Alphabets, where Presidents come and go and Operatives for the Oligarchy remain.

Since Hildabeast and the Democrat cabal engaged in overt treason and criminality and are walking scot free without so much as a reprimand, having been exonerated in advance - this bullshit op by the FBI and Mueller against Trump just fuels my distrust to levels that consider them criminal, treasonous and a clear and present danger to what remains of the Republic.

I am still upset that NOBODY has investigated Uranium One yet.
For crying out loud, even the New York Times was suspicious of that!
They reported it.

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2018, 02:35:48 am »
It's usually the way these things work, isn't it?

(BTW, not to hijack a thread, but Astros beating Twins 1-0,bottom of the 6th)

And Verlander just worked out of a 1st and 3rd no out jam too.

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« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2018, 02:47:44 am »
It's usually the way these things work, isn't it?

(BTW, not to hijack a thread, but Astros beating Twins 1-0,bottom of the 6th)


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« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2018, 02:49:37 am »
    As a Cruzer, I'd be very concerned if the FBI was raiding President Cruz's personal attorney's offices for Bank and Wire Fraud pertaining to him paying off a Ho or getting a sweetheart Hotel deal in Havana.  I'd start having my doubts about him, JS.

My, how much things have changed since the Trump campaign pushed this fake story.  Karma, perhaps?

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2018, 02:49:48 am »
I am still upset that NOBODY has investigated Uranium One yet.
For crying out loud, even the New York Times was suspicious of that!
They reported it.

As long as they don't investigate it.... it's like it never happened.  Conversely.... every little thing that didn't happen that they investigate ANYWAY, is automatically set in stone fact/truth whenever it concerns a Republican.  Funny how that works.  If we (the people) don't turn this around, we may lose this country to the RLs.  I have never thought that before.....

before now, that is.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer's office
« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2018, 02:50:34 am »

    We'll do our part to keep the Championships in H town.

 

   It's up to the Texans to tie the 69/70 record of NY's 3 consecutive Championships (Mets, Knicks, Jets).

LOL, I'm all for that, but this graphic is just plain weird!