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Perhaps they point out things like Trump saying something that "isn't even remotely true" because..........wait for it..............he says so many things that aren't "even remotely true"?   

Even if there's a recent change in style, perhaps that due to the paper reacting to the degradation of dialogue under this President (e.g., name-calling, petty squabbles, etc).  Perhaps it's due to changes in the Post's staff or editors or their headline policy.  Sure, it also could be a result of Bezos' involvement, direction, or management, but I just haven't seen any evidence of that, and both Bezos and the editor deny that.  Sure, they could be lying, but I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
@Concerned
Something to ponder:

I was a newspaper reporter in upstate New York for a few years after my Air Force hitch ended in 1987. The papers I worked for
(they were modest-sized, regional dailies) had specific headline writers, and often as not a headline might appear on a story
that wasn't exactly what the story actually said. I got p.o.ed enough to confront the appropriate editors, tell them I was
only too well aware of the headline-writing culture that said "grab 'em no matter what," and that I was fed up with misleading
headlines. To my surprise, they let me start writing my own headlines for my stories or columns*, and once I learned how to
do it according to the space allotment for a particular story's layout I had no more trouble with inaccurate headlines.

Of course, that was then, and I wasn't exactly destined for the Washington Post. Indeed, I went into daily news radio for
about five years in the 1990s, first for a year or so in upstate New York and then in northern California, as an anchor/reporter,
but if you'll pardon the expression that's another story.

(* I wrote a weekly opinion column for one of those papers in addition to my normal beat reporting, and I think I jarred some
of the people on those papers writing from a libertarian/conservative viewpoint, though I never crossed the line when it came to
straight reporting. Later, I wrote a baseball column that was stripped from me when the paper's editor in chief objected to my using the
word "choplogician" applied to a particular umpire, I think it was, using choplogic to defend a horrible call that impacted a game's outcome
directly---he accused me of, wait for it, "inventing" words, and when I reminded him that someone had to have "invented" at least a
third of the words in the language I lost the column. Well, what would you call someone using choplogic---a sous chef?)


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You’re right. There have always been liberally slanted stories at the Washington Post...a few, on page 6 or 8. But mostly there were factual stories of the day and then a few biased stories in between.

Not like we see today, with a daily drumbeat of relentless front page attacks – every story, every day – using innuendo and agitprop about the president as front page news.

There used to be factual reporting and great journalism practiced on the pages of the Washington post. Not like Bezos’ naked vendetta to stop Donald Trump’s election and try to bring down a duly elected president – who has done nothing wrong by the way – except win an election.

No, WaPo has fallen far from simple, liberal criticisms of the president to printing slanderous demonizations in a disgraceful misuse of free speech protections of the press.

@aligncare

Of course there's "a daily drumbeat of relentless front page attacks" against Trump.  Many people despise his lying, his temperament, his policies, and his unPresidential behavior.  For example, I despise liars and want them called out for what they, but that doesn't mean I have a personal "vendetta" against the President. 

Just because liberal sources such as The Washington Post are vocal in calling out Trump's more disgraceful behavior and disagree with his policies doesn't necessarily mean their owner is personally leveraging that platform to "try to bring down a duly elected president".   I read The Post regularly.  I think I have a pretty sharp eye for truthful and accurate information yet I see way more lies/falsehoods/inaccurate information coming from the President of the United States than I do from The Washington Post, and when The Post is wrong, at least they're willing to admit it. 

Liberal sources like The Post are going to criticize Republican and Republican Presidents more so than Democrats.  They have for years and will continue to.  This President does plenty of things that just beg to be criticized, and liberal sources provide that criticism, but that doesn't mean their owners have "naked vendettas" against the President.   This subject is a classic example of how folks see things differently.  You apparently see clear evidence that Jeff Bezos is using The Washington Post to settle his "naked vendetta" against the President.  Perhaps that's true, but I've seen no such evidence presented to support that assertion.  Unfortunately, I think that because people disagree with sources such as The Washington Post they want to paint them as the boogieman.  They aren't.  Many have legitimate behavior and policy disagreements with this President, and calling those out doesn't make it a "naked vendetta" against the President.
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Trump is a fool to try to damage Amazon. Amazon is very popular across the political spectrum. He only alienates more people that he needs support from by doing this.

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. . . Bezos’ naked vendetta to stop Donald Trump’s election and try to bring down a duly elected president – who has done nothing wrong by the way – except win an election.
I seem to remember The American Spectator having a similarly naked vendetta against Droopy-Drawers Clinton starting at a time when the only thing Clinton did wrong,
legally, anyway, was win an election. (Morally, of course, both Droopy-Drawers and Donaldus Minimus did plenty wrong, but they got elected anyway.)


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Trump is a fool to try to damage Amazon. Amazon is very popular across the political spectrum. He only alienates more people that he needs support from by doing this.
@DB
If Bezos had chosen to buy The Washington Times instead of The Washington Post, there probably wouldn't have been so much as a peep out of
Donaldus Minimus about Amazon.


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'Washington Post published the Pentagon Papers.    You can be assured Bezos had nothing to do with it.

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'Washington Post published the Pentagon Papers.    You can be assured Bezos had nothing to do with it.

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I know Bezos is a grandmaster liberal d-bag, but knock the Post, not Amazon. Talking down American success stories is not a good thing.
The Republic is lost.

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I know Bezos is a grandmaster liberal d-bag, but knock the Post, not Amazon. Talking down American success stories is not a good thing.

 :amen: 
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Sigh.

And for what exactly? What does this get Trump?

People elected him to make America great again. Not attack some some stupid company.

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Lived in a rural area for several decades.  Amazon and LL Bean got us through some long snowy winters. 
Saved time and travel risks as well.   Not sure to what end the attacks on this company serve.  Other than personal pique.
Again, too many folks defending the indefensible when it comes to the president's pronouncements.

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About the time the Post printed the Pentagon Papers was about the time the paper shifted from conservative to liberal.   Their bias against the right began way back then.   

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Lived in a rural area for several decades.  Amazon and LL Bean got us through some long snowy winters. 
Saved time and travel risks as well.   Not sure to what end the attacks on this company serve.  Other than personal pique.
Again, too many folks defending the indefensible when it comes to the president's pronouncements.

And too many people make too much out of Donald Trump’s bluster. You’re from Jersey, surely you’ve run across personalities like his. That’s just how he rolls. But, when it’s about getting things done, he’s on top of it. Unless you want to believe the left wing media’s so-called reporting on the Trump administration.

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About the time the Post printed the Pentagon Papers was about the time the paper shifted from conservative to liberal.   Their bias against the right began way back then.

Bezos has taken it to a whole new level, wouldn’t you agree?

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Bezos has taken it to a whole new level, wouldn’t you agree?

And...

So attacking Amazon is fair game?

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About the time the Post printed the Pentagon Papers was about the time the paper shifted from conservative to liberal.   Their bias against the right began way back then.
@Rivergirl

The New Republic is liberal, so is the Washington Post, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Minneapolis Tribune, much of the New York Times,
all of the
New York Post, save that oasis in which it publishes my dispatches.

---William F. Buckley, Jr., in Up From Liberalism, 1959.

One also keeps in mind that a given newspaper's (the New Republic, obviously, is a journal of opinion) editorial inclination isn't always
or necessarily the same as its pure news reporting, though there are instances often enough where its pure news reporting crosses
a line. Today, it seems to me, the Washington Post's straight-up reporting is far less biased than that of the New York Times, and
the Post's liberal editorial stance hasn't changed in lo these many years. Either that or the Times is just a lot more flagrant about
it.

The Post wasn't the paper that first published the Pentagon Papers; that honour, if such it was, goes to the New York Times. And
therein lies a peculiar corollary: The Times published the Papers at first without naming the source of the leak. A Times reporter,
Sidney Zion (who'd previously exposed the chicaneries around the disaster that was the otherwise entertaining New York World's Fair of
1964-65 in the New York Post) wondered to himself just who had leaked the Papers to Timesman Neil Sheehan. Zion got on
the trail and came up Daniel Ellsberg.

But nobody would let him run with it in print. (At one point, Zion later recorded, he was lamenting that he had a great story and couldn't
tell it anywhere, and his little daughter Libby overheard him and purred, "Daddy, you can tell me the story." "Great!" Zion remembered
thinking. "I'm down to my seven-year-old kid.") Zion ended up asking WMCA radio host Barry Gray if he'd be interested in having him
name the leaker on the air. Gray pounced on the chance, and Zion named Ellsberg on Gray's evening radio show.

The next day all hell broke loose. Zion was considered a pariah in New York journalism; numerous New York columnists attacked Zion
mercilessly. The Times barred him from their pages indefinitely, and no other New York paper save a nondescript weekly would publish
him at last, giving him a column, and Zion wasted no time in zapping the Times for the apparent blackball, including this memorable
wisecrack: The Times wants to teach me about ethics. This is a lot like learning about love from Attila the Hun.

It turned out that that wisecrack ended up breaking the ice, when Zion bumped into the Times's then-managing editor A.M. Rosenthal
in a New York watering hole and Rosenthal poked him with an elbow genially saying Gnug, Yiddish for "I forgive you." Zion almost
fell over with that one, then Rosenthal stopped him and said let bygones be bygones because, after all, "You broke a great story." It
ended Zion's blackballing and he went on with his career.

In his later years, Zion almost singlemindedly crusaded to improve working conditions for young medical residents after the aforesaid
daughter died in the hospital after being admitted for flu-like symptoms that turned into cardiac arrest---after she'd been treated
almost solely by first-year, unsupervised, and overworked medical residents who didn't spot the possibility of cardiac trouble emanating
from an antidepressant she'd been prescribed and who'd prescribed another drug known to cause cardiac arrest if it interacted too
seriously with her antidepressant. Libby Zion was 18; her parents eventually won a six-figure judgment against the hospital. They also
led to the passing of what's known in New York as the Libby Zion Law, which bars doctors from working 80-hour weeks and more than
24 hours at a single time.

Zion died of cancer in 2009; his wife, Elsa, died of cancer four years earlier. You can get Zion's complete take on his role in the Pentagon
Papers controversy in his book Read All About It! The Collected Adventures of a Maverick Reporter, a collection of his articles including
the ones that blew the whistle on the New York World's Fair boondoggle.
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So we give the loudmouthed bully a pass because of New Jersey?????
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Bezos has taken it to a whole new level, wouldn’t you agree?

I still haven’t seen any evidence that Bezos has personally taken a role in the editorial content of The Washington Post.  Lots of assertions that he has, but no evidence that I've seen.  As identified above, The Post was identified as liberal as far back in 1959 when William F. Buckley labeled them as being liberal.  I really don’t believe The Post has changed under Bezos, but what has changed is the Presidency.  Unfortunately, this President does and says things all the time that solicit criticism especially when looked at from the lens of folks who already disapprove of him.   As a result, anyone already with a negative view of this President (whether a liberal or a Never Trumper) are provided with ample opportunity to criticize based on the actions and words from the President and his team:  be it the lies, falsehoods, misdirections; the conflicting narratives; the inconsistent messaging; or the salacious stories that the President’s team manage to keep in the news.  I don't think The Post has changed, but they've just been given a lot more ammo to fire IMO.  Ammo on an almost daily basis.
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Bottom line is, whether you like this POTUS or not, *no* POTUS should be singling out any private business the way Trump has Amazon.

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Real Conservatives are against government picking winners and losers.  What Trump is doing is trying to make Amazon a loser, just because of his personal beef with Bezos.   Trump needs to damned well STOP this BS.  But I much suspect that he cannot stop.  It's how he rolls, sadly.  And the GOP will pay that price, as well as the price they deserve to pay for their betrayal of Conservative ideology, this November and in 2020.  Bank on it.
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Bottom line is, whether you like this POTUS or not, *no* POTUS should be singling out any private business the way Trump has Amazon.


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What set him off?

It was probably just the Early Times.
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What set him off?

It was probably just the Early Times.

 :pondering:
"I'm a man, but I changed, because I had to. Oh well."

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@EasyAce

Trump sees Bevos as his enemy, so he is trying to destroy him.  What Trump doesn't realize is, hasn't thought about, Amazon has ultra millions of customers.  When Trump hurts Amazon, he hurts these millions - that is millions of voters Trump just lost.  Every independent voter who uses Amazon will vote against him as Amazon makes their life easier.  Trump becomes their enemy.  Every Democrat/Republican who isn't a rabid member of their party, also votes against him.  They will choose Amazon over Trump.

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@EasyAce

Trump sees Bevos as his enemy, so he is trying to destroy him.  What Trump doesn't realize is, hasn't thought about, Amazon has ultra millions of customers.  When Trump hurts Amazon, he hurts these millions - that is millions of voters Trump just lost.  Every independent voter who uses Amazon will vote against him as Amazon makes their life easier.  Trump becomes their enemy.  Every Democrat/Republican who isn't a rabid member of their party, also votes against him.  They will choose Amazon over Trump.
@Victoria33
Here, you're preaching to the choir. I'm well on record as opposing Donaldus Minimus's attacks against Amazon. His and just about anyone else's.
I'll say it again---Jeff Bezos built a better mousetrap, so the cats are ganging up on him.


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