Stormy Daniels passed a lie detector test about her affair with Trump: Report

[musiclady]

I simply posted the Fox News story because you posted:  this is "an issue that only CNN and MSNBC give a shit about."  I was just pointing out that others (beyond CNN and MSNBC) care about it enough to actually cover the story.  As for your questions, see red above.

Notice how those who are Trump loyalists when faced with criticism of Trump, wildly flail making moral accusations against the people who consistently want the same standards for ALL Presidents.

They cannot address the actual issue of his immorality, so they feel the need to tear others down.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

[musiclady]

Major Bill, I have to agree with you.  Trump has not been a nice guy, but he is elected now, fair and square, and it's what he does now that matters.  Now, if he goes out there lecturing us about adultery or porn stars, that's another matter.  But, until then, he is the president and we need to get over his sordid past.

That's hard to do if one believes that his character affects his presidency.

The two cannot be separated,  IMO.

[montanajoe]

Trump's election is a watershed in that the free love generation of the 60's has won...

The party hacks here and elsewhere will no doubt claim Trump is somehow different, support our team,  but the fact is that my one eyed alley cat has the same morals as the POTUS...

From my view both are a POS...

[Sanguine]

That's not true. I know what goes on in your marriage. Ever wondered why the begonias outside your bedroom window are trample down?

That's poison ivy, not begonias.

[musiclady]

>>Removed by Mod<<

Feel better now, Frank?

I certainly hope so, because your goal of making me feel bad with your angry tirade against who knows what failed badly.

If you intended to stop me from stating eternal values that do not originate with me, you again, fail.

(Edited to remove things I probably shouldn't have said in the first place).

[Sanguine]

That's hard to do if one believes that his character affects his presidency.

The two cannot be separated,  IMO.

I'm not talking about his character, we know what that is.  I'm talking about actions.  Doesn't make any difference at this point whether we like him or not - he's already been elected and sworn in.  I don't see the need to keep rehashing this.  I just don't.

[Frank Cannon]

Feel better now, Frank?

I certainly hope so, because your goal of making me feel bad with your angry tirade against who knows what failed badly.

If memory serves me correctly, you were one of the bad boys who didn't much like Trump until you found out he bragged about molesting women, so your moral indignation doesn't carry much weight with me.

But I truly hope you got something out of the nonsense you just posted, and that your dog was not near enough to be kicked.

In the mean time I'll continue to post about eternal values and not worry one whit about another flaccid attack from you......

Nothing carries weight with you because you are lost in a fog of moral superiority. You live in a fantasy that America used to be some highly moral and uptight place even though past Presidents had out of wedlock children and by all accounts Franklin had a taste for teenage girls. We've always had whore houses. We've always had gambling. We've always had drinking and drugging.

If you are so weak and feeble you need some elected official to prop up your definition of morality, it's laughably pathetic. 

[musiclady]

I'm not talking about his character, we know what that is.  I'm talking about actions.  Doesn't make any difference at this point whether we like him or not - he's already been elected and sworn in.  I don't see the need to keep rehashing this.  I just don't.

But they are being rehashed whether we like it or not.

For some reason these women were paid for silence about things that were not secret, and this is newsworthy.

[musiclady]

Nothing carries weight with you because you are lost in a fog of moral superiority. You live in a fantasy that America used to be some highly moral and uptight place even though past Presidents had out of wedlock children and by all accounts Franklin had a taste for teenage girls. We've always had whore houses. We've always had gambling. We've always had drinking and drugging.

If you are so weak and feeble you need some elected official to prop up your definition of morality, it's laughably pathetic.

Are you aware that your conclusion has nothing to do with your premise?

You're not going to dissuade me from believing that there are laws beyond our human urges and that they were instituted for our good by a Holy, Righteous God by beating me over the head with yet another angry tirade.

It is YOU, Frank Cannon who are needy enough to defend your elected officials rather than stand on your own two feet........ not me.

btw, I edited out some of that last post because I should never have gotten caught in your pathetic attempt to pump yourself up by demeaning me.

Try arguing the merits of a subject instead of flinging out stupid ad hominems at those with whom you disagree.

Bet you couldn't do that if you tried........

[corbe]

   @musiclady


   People of Strong Christian Faith are catching it from a whole different angle today, even some Trumpers. On the opposite side of the same question, I mocked my religious Trump Family Sunday for giving him mulligans on his transgressions and the first thing they do is bring up my less than stellar past,  whataboutism, I pointed out to them I didn't run for President and accuse my opponent, without any evidence, of doing exactly what I was doing.   
   I certainly empathize with your strong Principles. 

   (unfortunately, people like Frank prove we are indeed a dying breed)

[Frank Cannon]

Try arguing the merits of a subject instead of flinging out stupid ad hominems at those with whom you disagree.

Bet you couldn't do that if you tried........

Don't need to because as I have stated on all of these gossip threads I do not give a shit about what anyone does on their own time. Country is doing a lot better today than it did over the last 16 years. That is all I care about. Don't need a President to teach my kid about anything, especially morals. That's my job. Therefor Donny is doing a fine job by my standards. I voted for him so my opinion matters more than your ever will. I'll be voting for him again.

As for you, my comments stand for everyone here to consider however they want. Obviously you will take offense, but my points are solid as a rock.

[musiclady]

Don't need to because as I have stated on all of these gossip threads I do not give a shit about what anyone does on their own time. Country is doing a lot better today than it did over the last 16 years. That is all I care about. Don't need a President to teach my kid about anything, especially morals. That's my job. Therefor Donny is doing a fine job by my standards. I voted for him so my opinion matters more than your ever will. I'll be voting for him again.

As for you, my comments stand for everyone here to consider however they want. Obviously you will take offense, but my points are solid as a rock.

The problem for you is that I do not take offense.

Your rantings are based on your own anger and not the reality of one who believed in God’s laws.

And no matter how irrational and angry you become you won’t dissuade me from believing Biblical truth.

So rant on dear Frank.  You will continue missing the target.

[Victoria33]

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[libertybele]

Trump loyalists have selective amnesia about how disgusting Bill Clinton's immorality was.

Exactly.  Trump  made it a point to go after Hillary and brought up Bill's infidelity.  What a hypocrite!

[Right_in_Virginia]

.... The only person to blame for all that is you. You failed to make coherent and logical points over the decades to make people care enough to follow your puritanical will.  ...

Great point @Frank Cannon

[musiclady]

   @musiclady


   People of Strong Christian Faith are catching it from a whole different angle today, even some Trumpers. On the opposite side of the same question, I mocked my religious Trump Family Sunday for giving him mulligans on his transgressions and the first thing they do is bring up my less than stellar past,  whataboutism, I pointed out to them I didn't run for President and accuse my opponent, without any evidence, of doing exactly what I was doing.   
   I certainly empathize with your strong Principles. 

   (unfortunately, people like Frank prove we are indeed a dying breed)

Thanks for the encouragement @corbe .  I don’t worry much (actually at all) about the flak I take here for maintaining principles...... especially Biblical ones.

I’m much more concerned about the ‘flak’ I’d take for giving up those principles from the One who gave them to us.

Fortunately all my Christian relatives are as disgusted by Trump as I am, so no arguments with them.

[Smokin Joe]

Apparently the left, and the NTs think otherwise.

Anything goes, to remove him, or to damage his ability to enact mostly conservative policies and measures.

Oh, please. You knew what was what if/when you voted for him. This is just one more tempest in a teapot ginned up by the Left to take up the front pages and keep their crimes off of them--it's a distraction. I didn't vote for him (Voted for Castle), but this is an obvious ploy by the media to get people to focus on something that happened before he was elected, and involved people not in hid official chain of command as POTUS, apparently, in these instances at least, consensually.

No surprises. The Left, however is using this as a smokescreen for the stories that should be on the front page involving the criminal acts of the previous administration.

Whatever I think of Trump's behaviour before he became POTUS, I expressed with my vote. At this point, it is an irrelevant distraction, and nothing adults who were paying attention didn't know, if not suspect. Just money alone will bring plenty of opportunities for philandering, without any extortion on the part of the philanderer.

IOW, there are more pressing and relevant issues facing our nation, and this is, at this point, a waste of time.

[libertybele]

Thanks for the encouragement @corbe .  I don’t worry much (actually at all) about the flak I take here for maintaining principles...... especially Biblical ones.

I’m much more concerned about the ‘flak’ I’d take for giving up those principles from the One who gave them to us.

Fortunately all my Christian relatives are as disgusted by Trump as I am, so no arguments with them.

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[libertybele]

Oh, please. You knew what was what if/when you voted for him. This is just one more tempest in a teapot ginned up by the Left to take up the front pages and keep their crimes off of them--it's a distraction. I didn't vote for him (Voted for Castle), but this is an obvious ploy by the media to get people to focus on something that happened before he was elected, and involved people not in hid official chain of command as POTUS, apparently, in these instances at least, consensually.

No surprises. The Left, however is using this as a smokescreen for the stories that should be on the front page involving the criminal acts of the previous administration.

Whatever I think of Trump's behaviour before he became POTUS, I expressed with my vote. At this point, it is an irrelevant distraction, and nothing adults who were paying attention didn't know, if not suspect. Just money alone will bring plenty of opportunities for philandering, without any extortion on the part of the philanderer.

IOW, there are more pressing and relevant issues facing our nation, and this is, at this point, a waste of time.

Yes it is nothing more than a distraction. As I had previously stated; they couldn't pin Russian collusion on him but they sure as heck will make him look as bad as Bill Clinton!  We most definitely have more important issues facing our nation which the MSM refuses to report or focus on.  Despciable deplorables!

[Smokin Joe]

Yes it is nothing more than a distraction. As I had previously stated; they couldn't pin Russian collusion on him but they sure as heck will make him look as bad as Bill Clinton!  We most definitely have more important issues facing our nation which the MSM refuses to report or focus on.  Despciable deplorables!

I'm not even one of those who were behind Trump, but this is just a kerfuffle to fill the column inches that should be taken up with more complicated and serious topics, like the criminal networks within the former administration. Funny how the MSM reduced Clinton's perjury and Obstruction of Justice charges to being "just about sex".... Something that distracts the well trained sheeple with amazing regularity.

[LauraTXNM]

He chose to pay off these women for something that was apparently not important or noteworthy.  Then he lied about (at least some of) it.  He has created this problem for himself and now is making it worse.  Ultimately Trump is responsible and should accept it so everyone can move on.

[Cyber Liberty]

He chose to pay off these women for something that was apparently not important or noteworthy.  Then he lied about (at least some of) it.  He has created this problem for himself and now is making it worse.  Ultimately Trump is responsible and should accept it so everyone can move on.

If Trump were to admit something with this Stormy chick, do you seriously think the media would "move on?" 

Seriously?

The media will trot out woman after woman, real or imagined, as the drumbeat gets louder.  Even if he's as guilty as a dog eating feces he would be a grade-A idiot to admit to anything.  Sure, lots of people already call him that, but his lawyers would join in the chorus.

[Frank Cannon]

He chose to pay off these women for something that was apparently not important or noteworthy.  Then he lied about (at least some of) it.  He has created this problem for himself and now is making it worse.  Ultimately Trump is responsible and should accept it so everyone can move on.

Really? I don't know what type of job history you have, but I was in Corporate America for many years and people were routinely "payed off" to avoid lawsuits and bad PR. All of them included cash settlements contingent on non disclosures.

[LauraTXNM]

If Trump were to admit something with this Stormy chick, do you seriously think the media would "move on?" 

Seriously?

The media will trot out woman after woman, real or imagined, as the drumbeat gets louder.  Even if he's as guilty as a dog eating feces he would be a grade-A idiot to admit to anything.  Sure, lots of people already call him that, but his lawyers would join in the chorus.

@Cyber Liberty  This is a disgusting situation entirely of Trump's making.  Of course, people will love dragging him through the mud as long as possible.  There is really no pleasant or quick solution.

I can only see two alternatives, given that Trump is an admitted horndog:
1) He continues to deny, etc., and the stories keep coming and get more and more lurid; he looks like a slimy liar.
OR
2) He stops denying, admits he had several (?) affairs and paid the women to keep quiet, and remains stoic and rides it out.  With no inflammatory responses, eventually people will grow bored of the "bimbo eruptions."  He looks like slimy but *honest, regretful, and trying to focus on his job*.

Neither of these options is pleasant, but one seems marginally better than the other.  One makes a Trump look a bit better than the other.  If he picks Option 2, eventually the story will be about the media's continued victimization and exploitation of his wife and young son (rather than their victimization and exploitation by Trump himself).

[Frank Cannon]

I can only see two alternatives, given that Trump is an admitted horndog:
1) He continues to deny, etc., and the stories keep coming and get more and more lurid; he looks like a slimy liar.
OR
2) He stops denying, admits he had several (?) affairs and paid the women to keep quiet, and remains stoic and rides it out.  With no inflammatory responses, eventually people will grow bored of the "bimbo eruptions."  He looks like slimy but *honest, regretful, and trying to focus on his job*.

Neither of these options is pleasant, but one seems marginally better than the other.

I what tangible ways will you life improve if the President admits to affairs that happened years ago?