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NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A.
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We have large trade deficits with Mexico and Canada. NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. Massive relocation of companies & jobs. Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed. Also, Canada must..

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...treat our farmers much better. Highly restrictive. Mexico must do much more on stopping drugs from pouring into the U.S. They have not done what needs to be done. Millions of people addicted and dying.

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Let the negotiations play out ....

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Let the negotiations play out ....


That's what this is about. Ending the Rich Uncle syndrome. The anomalous post-WWII era is long past and we're no longer the economic Colossus astride the world.


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NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A.

BS, BS, and more BS.  Because of NAFTA, our exports to Mexico have increased fivefold.  And because of farm imports from Mexico, produce quality has improved while consumer prices have decreased.

Free trade is a good thing for everyone.  And it sickens me to see the sycophants of a Republican President embrace failed Democrat positions on trade.
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Mexico must do much more on stopping drugs from pouring into the U.S.

The US must do much more to stop buying drugs from Mexico.
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BS, BS, and more BS.  Because of NAFTA, our exports to Mexico have increased fivefold.  And because of farm imports from Mexico, produce quality has improved while consumer prices have decreased.

Free trade is a good thing for everyone.  And it sickens me to see the sycophants of a Republican President embrace failed Democrat positions on trade.

There is a huge difference between Free trade and Fair trade.  Our imports from Mexico far exceed our exports. Secondly, and perhaps most importantly is to consider jobs lost due to NAFTA.  I'm not sure I'm understanding your assessment of Trump embracing DEM policy on this.  NAFTA was H. Bush's dream child by the way.

My concern right now is how Trump is going to negotiate fairer trade with Mexico and Canada and could very well involve creating a superhighway (NAFTA Superhighway anyone?) between Mexico, U.S. and Canada -- something that certainly would greatly impact our sovereignty.  Thus his push also for trillions in new infrastructure!
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Our imports from Mexico far exceed our exports.

So what?  The pie grows.  Trade surpluses do not equate to higher standards of living.  And the dollars sent overseas to purchase foreign goods gets reinvested in the US in the form of stock purchases or start-up capital.


Secondly, and perhaps most importantly consideration is jobs lost due to NAFTA.

Jobs gained from NAFTA have far outweighed jobs lost from NAFTA.


I'm not sure I'm understanding your assessment of Trump embracing DEM policy on this.

Protectionist trade policy is Democrat policy.  In the long run, it hurts America.

Take steel for example.  Asian steel producers kick our asses on a level playing field.  They offer more flexibility, more variety, at a lower cost than heavily unionized, inflexible US steel producers.  And American manufacturers who purchase steel can offer their products at a lower more competitive price by utilizing Korean or Japanese steel than they can dealing with US steel producers.

And then there is specialized steel.  American steel consumers can purchase practically any quantity of special order steel from foreign producers while their US counterparts balk at filling small specialized orders.

The bottom line here is that foreign producers are competitively kicking our asses when it comes to steel production.  And instead of beating them at their own game, we instead propose punishing them by making their steel unaffordable while at the same time rewarding US steel manufacturers for being lousy competitors.

Democrat policy?  You betcha.
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