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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2018, 07:42:38 pm »
What traditions of conservatism would those be --- losing national elections?

To ask the question is to answer it.  If conservatives are such a losing proposition, then why does Donald Trump even bother going there?
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2018, 07:49:39 pm »
Conservatives eating their own, as usual. During the Johnson administration, considering the Vietnam war, a question was raised: Can we have "guns AND butter?"

It was raised but not really ever answered. Not under Johnson, not under Nixon (who both continued the war).

Under Reagan we escalated military spending (defeat the Soviets, in long running Cold War), cut taxes, and the deficit grew. Still not answering question.

Following 9-11-2001, Bush grew military spending, cut taxes...and the deficit grew.

Of course we know Obama effectively cut military spending, raised taxes, and still drastically grew the deficit.

Thirteen months in to his first term, Trump is responsible for all of the errors, of the last 50+ years.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 07:51:10 pm »
To ask the question is to answer it.  If conservatives are such a losing proposition, then why does Donald Trump even bother going there?

True.

Trump did not bother catering to Conservatives in NYC when he endorsed, funded and campaigned for Hillary Clinton, Chuckie Schmucky Schumer, and Bill 'The Commie" DeBlasio.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 07:51:15 pm »
What traditions of conservatism would those be --- losing national elections?

The last true Conservative that ran under the GOP banner had two of the largest landslide election victories in the history of the U.S.

His economic and tax agenda was still being felt in a positive way for the U.S. economy into the early years of the Bush 43 administration.

THAT is the tradition of Conservatism when it comes to the Presidency of the United States.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 07:51:28 pm »
....And I am assured this is not a #nevertrump site !!

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2018, 08:22:55 pm »
The last true Conservative that ran under the GOP banner had two of the largest landslide election victories in the history of the U.S....

My best advice is:  Enough already with the "true" conservative :bs:

The more I read this line of thinking the more convinced I am that Reagan has undergone such a historical rewrite that today not even the man would recognize himself.  And, those present day conservative political heroes primed and waiting in the shadows to return "true" conservatives to their former glory days are a figment of wishful thinking.

Join the 21st century and acknowledge the shift in American political paradigm before it buries conservatism ---all of it, every last principle --- in the ashbin of history.

Donald Trump is introducing new generations to the ideals of smaller government, less taxation, less regulation, the military's importance, American sovereignty, the sanctity of life and American greatness is from and for the American people. ---

This is pretty damn conservative to me.





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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2018, 08:35:59 pm »
My best advice is:  Enough already with the "true" conservative :bs:

The more I read this line of thinking the more convinced I am that Reagan has undergone such a historical rewrite that today not even the man would recognize himself.  And, those present day conservative political heroes primed and waiting in the shadows to return "true" conservatives to their former glory days are a figment of wishful thinking.

Join the 21st century and acknowledge the shift in American political paradigm before it buries conservatism ---all of it, every last principle --- in the ashbin of history.

Donald Trump is introducing new generations to the ideals of smaller government, less taxation, less regulation, the military's importance, American sovereignty, the sanctity of life and American greatness is from and for the American people. ---

This is pretty damn conservative to me.

There's not much fiscally conservative that I see about a submitted budget that results in year after year after year of deficit spending:

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2018, 08:37:59 pm »
There's not much fiscally conservative that I see about a submitted budget that results in year after year after year of deficit spending:

Right. The budget your man Jeb! submitted is much more Conservative.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2018, 09:07:24 pm »
Right. The budget your man Jeb! submitted is much more Conservative.

That's just as silly as saying "At least it isn't Hillary."

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2018, 09:47:55 pm »
My best advice is:  Enough already with the "true" conservative :bs:

No.  Either you ARE a Constitutional Conservative, or you are not. 

It's not any different from those who claim to be Christian but embrace behaviors and doctrines anathema and condemned by the bible itself. 

You can call yourself anything to ingratiate yourself into a group you intend to fundamentally change and transform to follow the new morality and paradigms of society, but practicing and preaching apostasy of fundamental doctrines and principles makes you the opposite of what you claim to be.

The more I read this line of thinking the more convinced I am that Reagan has undergone such a historical rewrite that today not even the man would recognize himself. 

You mean like the claims that Trump is more Conservative than Reagan ever was? Or tearing down Reagan to make Trump better looking?  Those kinds of historical rewrites?

Yeah, we've read plenty of that from the Trump faithful.

Join the 21st century and acknowledge the shift in American political paradigm before it buries conservatism ---all of it, every last principle --- in the ashbin of history.

Already a done deal and finished being buried. You have already surrendered it wholesale.   

Going with the flow of Collectivism and Statism simply because it "wins" elections and garners more support from a people who have abandoned liberty and the Constitution for a Socialist Mobocracy, does not make this new 'paradigm' of yours Conservative.  All you are doing is telling us that yesterday's Liberalism is today's Conservatism while Democrats march headlong into Marxism with the GOP following right on their heels.

Donald Trump is introducing new generations to the ideals of smaller government, less taxation, less regulation, the military's importance, American sovereignty, the sanctity of life and American greatness is from and for the American people. ---

That has the exact same impact on me as when homosexual ministers and pastors tell me that they are introducing Jesus to a whole new generation of people who hate the existing church with ideals of love, tolerance, acceptance, understanding and getting the world to embrace their behavior as good and righteous.  Not a word spoken about repentance, and yet that is the first doctrine that must be done for a people to follow one they claim as Lord. The problem is, they have redefined what sin is.

And likewise, we are having Conservatism redefined.

Apostasy does not fly with those who have their noses in the original text and know and understand what it says, what the intent is and why the law was given in the first place.

Extrapolate that to what Conservatism used to stand for - and it's the same thing, apostasy - in the political sense instead of the religious.

And - as with churches who have embraced society's 'paradigm shift' - originalists kick the dust of our shoes and leave you to yourselves as we follow what is right and true.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2018, 10:05:54 pm »
No.  Either you ARE a Constitutional Conservative, or you are not. 

It's not any different from those who claim to be Christian but embrace behaviors and doctrines anathema and condemned by the bible itself. 

You can call yourself anything to ingratiate yourself into a group you intend to fundamentally change and transform to follow the new morality and paradigms of society, but practicing and preaching apostasy of fundamental doctrines and principles makes you the opposite of what you claim to be.


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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2018, 10:17:22 pm »
No.  Either you ARE a Constitutional Conservative, or you are not. 

It's not any different from those who claim to be Christian but embrace behaviors and doctrines anathema and condemned by the bible itself. 

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And - as with churches who have embraced society's 'paradigm shift' - originalists kick the dust of our shoes and leave you to yourselves as we follow what is right and true.

BRAVO, brother! Great post!
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2018, 11:57:08 pm »
The left would like to re-define conservatism as Trumpism. Conservatism is their eternal enemy, and they would like to transfer the disdain and contempt they feel for Trump to the existential enemy of leftism.

Trump is fairly unique in the POTUS arena, but he is not a conservative.  And, he may turn out to be the best choice in our current socio-political climate.

I'll accept that proudly.   Trump's brand of Conservatism is the ONLY brand that will sell in today's USA.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2018, 12:06:26 am »
No.  Either you ARE a Constitutional Conservative, or you are not.   

Then relax @INVAR our President is one.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2018, 12:10:20 am »
Then relax @INVAR our President is one.

I have my doubts POTUS could spell Constitution correctly the first time.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2018, 12:13:34 am »
I have my doubts POTUS could spell Constitution correctly the first time.

...and him knowing the 'Constitution' I find very hard to believe!
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2018, 12:15:59 am »
I'll accept that proudly.   Trump's brand of Conservatism is the ONLY brand that will sell in today's USA.

You misread my statement.  I pointed out that Trump is not conservative. 

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2018, 12:45:34 am »
Then relax @INVAR our President is one.

And you can call the Pope Jewish and believe that all you like.

It will not make it so.

All you have done is convinced yourself that bullshit is the truth. But hey - believing bullshit is what is prized in this society today.  I guess you people are no different.

It is how confused males convince themselves they are really female and vice-versa, even though the plumbing doesn't match.  But hey - if they believe themselves the opposite sex that what they were born with - they can take some hormones, cut some appendages off, grow some titties and parade in the front of the world they are now another 'sex', and demand the whole world see them as what they claim, or face silly charges.

You guys have done the same thing, with Trump.   You've convinced yourselves Liberal Statism/Socialism and deficit spending and bullshit promises while expanding big government is 'conservative' while you parade around exclaiming the world must see Trump as Conservative, or face silly charges.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2018, 12:47:30 am »
I have my doubts POTUS could spell Constitution correctly the first time.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2018, 12:55:41 am »
I'll accept that proudly.   Trump's brand of Conservatism is the ONLY brand that will sell in today's USA.

And when the ONLY brand of politics that will sell in the USA of the Near Future is Socialism or Communism - we can expect you to cheerlead a Stalin over a Trotsky if he is a bigger in-your-face despot.
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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2018, 12:57:30 am »
And you can call the Pope Jewish and believe that all you like.  It will not make it so. 

Right back at ya @INVAR  888high58888

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2018, 01:06:42 am »
Trump a conservative?

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2018, 01:08:27 am »
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He thinks "constitution" is something you relieve with . . .


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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2018, 01:08:55 am »
I posit there are 1,347,357.462 "True Constitutional Conservative Angels" dancing on the head of the pin, and to prove it I will repeat it every day at least seven times.

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Re: The Conservative Movement Is Donald Trump
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2018, 01:13:10 am »
And you can call the Pope Jewish and believe that all you like.

It will not make it so.

All you have done is convinced yourself that bullshit is the truth. But hey - believing bullshit is what is prized in this society today.  I guess you people are no different.

It is how confused males convince themselves they are really female and vice-versa, even though the plumbing doesn't match.  But hey - if they believe themselves the opposite sex that what they were born with - they can take some hormones, cut some appendages off, grow some titties and parade in the front of the world they are now another 'sex', and demand the whole world see them as what they claim, or face silly charges.

You guys have done the same thing, with Trump.   You've convinced yourselves Liberal Statism/Socialism and deficit spending and bullshit promises while expanding big government is 'conservative' while you parade around exclaiming the world must see Trump as Conservative, or face silly charges.

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